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[jesterrace777]

QUOTE(fatc2k3 @ Nov 3 2007, 04:19 PM)

So overall how do the Verbs MII MKM001 compare to the cheaper media. I have used quite a few Verbs MII and  only had 1 Disk mess up but I dont want to pay over the odd prices if I would be to get the same results with a cheaper media??

As mentioned above it varries from spindle to spindle.  Some of the MII stuff is much better than the cheaper media and some are much worse.  If you decide to give some cheaper media a shot, Pick up some Ritek produced DL media.  I wouldn't touch it myself but if you are bound and determined to go with cheaper media then it would probably be your best option.

[warlock110]

QUOTE(jesterrace777 @ Nov 3 2007, 10:07 PM)

As mentioned above it varries from spindle to spindle.  Some of the MII stuff is much better than the cheaper media and some are much worse.  If you decide to give some cheaper media a shot, Pick up some Ritek produced DL media.  I wouldn't touch it myself but if you are bound and determined to go with cheaper media then it would probably be your best option.

that's probably quality control issue, i bet in a few months when they solve those issue the MII will be as good as the MIS. anways virbatim is really good, their PI errors are very low (like in the .02 .03 average). compare to others sitting at .2 or .3

[jesterrace777]

The one question I have is whether or not they are using the same unique 2P manufacturing process or if they went with the cheaper production method.  The 2P production method which MIS Verbatim has been using definitely stands out from the rest for quality.

[RichMR2]

I think I know the answer to this but I just could do with confirmation.

I've been using Ritek discs for making my backups, the first 25 were great and not a single problem. So I ordered 100 more of them thinking they would be fine. Now, out of the first 25 of the new batch I have had a lot of bad writes, games which aren't recognised by the 360, games which boot then get stuck at the loading screens... Looking at the disc it seems to show finger print marks which wont come off, closer looking, to me, looks like it hasn't burnt to a few small places close together and is not actually a finger print, would this be right?

[xier]

So just to confirm - are the Sony DVD+RL DL's Made in Singapore just as good as the Verb's made in Singapore?  I found several 25 packs for the Sony's made in Singapore (many more that were made elsewhere) and will return some of my Verb's due to the big price difference - 2.6 per Verb vs $1.6 for the Sonys-

Would you say they are Equal or just as good - or are the Verb's still better?

[jesterrace777]

THEY ARE THE EXACT SAME MANUFACTURER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   (Both made by Mitsubishi Kagaku Media aka MKM in Singapore) The only difference is the label slapped on the disc.   When you pull up the Sonys in DVDInfopro it actually states MKM001 followed by Verbatim.  I concur that these days I am leaning more and more towards the MIS Sonys for the very reason that you mentioned.  Incidentally where did you find the Sonys at that price?  I would love to be able to get in on that deal that you mentioned? Exact same high quality discs at a lower cost.  @RichMR2, you found out the hard way why so many of us do not recommend other DL media manufacturers, Between general compatibility and quality control it is a real gamble.

[sportsgamer1984]

I think he got that price from outpost.com (fry's electronics' website).  If you have a fry's in your area, you can try calling them and there's a good chance it's the same price in-store.  BTW, the price is $40 plus tax for a 25 pack.

[warlock110]

QUOTE(sportsgamer1984 @ Nov 8 2007, 07:11 AM)

I think he got that price from outpost.com (fry's electronics' website).  If you have a fry's in your area, you can try calling them and there's a good chance it's the same price in-store.  BTW, the price is $40 plus tax for a 25 pack.

I already checked, i made up a list of DL media + stores + prices, then I drive around town n check it out, it's really on luck, most of the Sony are made in taiwan around my place (about 4-5 different stores that carry them). so again, just your luck.

[jesterrace777]

Yup, luck of the draw on those.  Last time BB had a sale I sifted through 20 of those 25packs and only found 2 MIS packs.  Unfortunately I don't have a Fry's in my area and I WILL NOT gamble with ordering online given the likelihood of getting the Ritek made Sonys for that price.  *EDIT* Just checked and he is correct that it is Fry's who is running that deal.

[xier]

Just got back on town - Yes Fry's is where I found them  - They had 30+ Taiwan - but I was able to find 8 packs made in Sing.

I must have Several of "BAD ISO's" (Viva P,  Conan and Ralley Revo) - becuase i'm haivng problems where I burn all is successful on the burn but disks are not readable on the 360. I don't think its the media -but I plan to test with a few Verb's to ensure.

I used mullet to check ISO's prior to burn and they come up OK -so weird...

[sportsgamer1984]

QUOTE(xier @ Nov 8 2007, 10:28 PM)

Just got back on town - Yes Fry's is where I found them  - They had 30+ Taiwan - but I was able to find 8 packs made in Sing.

I must have Several of "BAD ISO's" (Viva P,  Conan and Ralley Revo) - becuase i'm haivng problems where I burn all is successful on the burn but disks are not readable on the 360. I don't think its the media -but I plan to test with a few Verb's to ensure.

I used mullet to check ISO's prior to burn and they come up OK -so weird...

What program are you using to burn the games and have u played other backups that have worked?  The Sony's made in singapore are the exact same as verbs made in singapore, so you may want to find out if you're doing anything wrong before you use your verbs because you'll just end up with more coasters.

[DeVante]

Great info. It's really helpful.


After reading this entire thread, I have one question:

Does this mean that any DL discs made in Singapore are equally as good as the Verbatim (MIS)?

[jesterrace777]

Yes, as MKM is the only media manufacturer located in Singapore.

[xier]

Sports -

I'm using Image Burn - have a Pioneer 112D - I have 15 GOOD burn's - that are a combo of Verb's and 10 Sony's -- but all of a sudden I got 2 in a row that stuck at 81%.... then said Buffer Overflow and died.  These were burned at 2.X so I'm pretty sure it was not a buffer overflow - PC is a QuadCore etc... and was doing nothing but burning.  I get my stuff from the News Groups - and Conan is one that I have tried 2 times now with the same result.  TConan has the .dvd file and the .iso file.

Then I got a few that burned successfully and xbox would say "Cant Read - Clean Disk" and a few that would come up as bad on the Xbox.

Question - What do you do if the Download only has a .dvd file and a 000 file vs a ISO file?  Do you  need th change it or will it work?

Question - Also if a file does not have the .dvd file - is that also a prolblem?  I have VIVA Pinata that only has a .iso file and I tried twice to burn and got "CLEAN DISK" error.

[warlock110]

QUOTE(xier @ Nov 9 2007, 04:30 PM)

Sports -

I'm using Image Burn - have a Pioneer 112D - I have 15 GOOD burn's - that are a combo of Verb's and 10 Sony's -- but all of a sudden I got 2 in a row that stuck at 81%.... then said Buffer Overflow and died.  These were burned at 2.X so I'm pretty sure it was not a buffer overflow - PC is a QuadCore etc... and was doing nothing but burning.  I get my stuff from the News Groups - and Conan is one that I have tried 2 times now with the same result.  TConan has the .dvd file and the .iso file.

Then I got a few that burned successfully and xbox would say "Cant Read - Clean Disk" and a few that would come up as bad on the Xbox.

Question - What do you do if the Download only has a .dvd file and a 000 file vs a ISO file?  Do you  need th change it or will it work?

Question - Also if a file does not have the .dvd file - is that also a prolblem?  I have VIVA Pinata that only has a .iso file and I tried twice to burn and got "CLEAN DISK" error.

i'm pretty sure this is pirating?