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[jesterrace777]

QUOTE(B4tm4n @ Sep 20 2007, 12:00 PM)

I got this info off the SVP site:

Infiniti 360 Full-Face Printable DL (8x) DVD+R  :   ADVDInfo: RICOHJPND01

Infiniti 360 Full-Face Printable DL (2.4x) DVD+R  :  ADVDInfo: RICOHJPND00

So they appear to be Ricoh made.  That being said the media ID code is widely faked, so you would also have to check the country of origin to be sure.  If they aren't made in Taiwan, THEY ARE NOT RICOH!!!!!  

[jesterrace777]

Here is an interesting read.  Ricoh's own homepage talks about the process that they use to manufacture their dual layer media.  You can't tell it from the article but I have conferred with the folks over at cdfreaks and according to them MKM in Singapore is the ONLY media that uses that more complex 2P method for production, ALL OTHER DL MEDIA MANUFACTURERS USE THE INVERTED STACK SYSTEM FOR PRODUCTION!!!!!!!!  A perfect example of why MKM DL tend to cost more and why they seem to be far superior in terms of universal compatibility and durability to their other DL media counterparts.  

http://www.ricohpmmc.../technology.asp

[sosotiit]

great info, so it seems the quality of verb results of a different process as opposed to only better managing the same process.

The SL on the left,  middle would be Verb DL, and right is DL for all other manufacturers


(picture taken from ricoh site as per link above)






thks, soso

[jesterrace777]

Yup, but as mentioned you have to be careful now since it is in fact MKM in Singapore that uses this process and they are now producing some discs for Sony, so they enjoy that same 2P manufacturing process.  JUST MAKE SURE THEY ARE MADE IN SINGAPORE!!!!!!!!!!

[Bahnzo]

So I got some verbs the other day mail order, they are MII, but dvdinfopro reports them as MKM 001. Are these still quality disks, or MIS *only* for the verbs?

[rhlblue]

Nice info guys.

haha this is really funny.....
yesterday i bought my first DVD+R DL to burn a xbox360 game (original backup   )

some time back the dual layer blank discs used to be very expensive......but now they are gettin really cheap...
i got it for $3.2 US

$12.5 US for 5 discs pack

now today i finally started to burn the backup.....but i'm not able to do that...

I used everything from XBC to CloneCD to DVD Decrypter etc.....

but when i start the burning it gives me this error :

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Power Calibration Area Error

so no hope......... I have a Sony DVD RW Q-120A PY3
and i never burned a Dual layer disc before with this!

now the funny part is that i live in new delhi......and i bought the Moser Baer dvd...

after looking at the first post of this topic the first thing i saw was that my disc is made in India
now i did the dvdinfo scan and this is what i get :

CODE

                            Media Information                            
Region information                                    N/A not a DVD-VIDEO
Media code/Manufacturer ID                                    RICOHJPNID0
Media Product Revision Number                                         43h
Format Capacity                                                Blank Disc
Free Blocks                                                    4253024256
Free Capacity                                              7.96GB(8.55GB)
Book Type                                                        DVD+R DL
Media Type                                                       DVD+R DL
Manufacturer Rated Speed                                          Unknown
Available Write Descriptor                           CLV  8.0x  11080KBps
Available Write Descriptor                           CLV  6.0x   8310KBps
Available Write Descriptor                           CLV  4.0x   5540KBps
Data area starting sector                                          30000h
Layer 0 end sector                                                22D7FFh
Linear Density                                                0.293um/bit
Track Density                                                0.74um/track
Number of Layers                                                        2
Layer Track Path direction                      (OTP) Opposite track path
                                                                        
                           Complete Media Code                          
00000000 08 02 00 00 E1 0F 32 10 00 03 00 00 00 FC FF FF ......2.........
00000010 00 22 D7 FF 00 00 03 52 49 43 4F 48 4A 50 4E 44 .".....RICOHJPND
00000020 30 31 43 40 25 25 37 10 00 2C 6C 00 2C 6C 20 1F 01C@%%7..,l.,l .
00000030 0C 0C 14 14 02 01 01 20 00 20 1F 0C 0C 14 14 02 ....... . ......

 

so i thought that my disc is FAKE.......but then after reading more i saw that its official manufactured here.....
so this means that I have an original  RICOHJPND dvd ? .....and also that its very much near to Verbatim?

i know its my dvd writer which is giving the error......but just want to make sure that what i got is original......oh yea and btw......i also got 100% replacement warranty with the disc !

so......what i have is original ? .......and do u think that its really my dvd writer which is not able to burn the dvd or does it have any manufacturing defect?.....because its still in warranty period !

thanks

EDIT: i forgot to mention that after so many unsuccessful tries to burn the disc......i expected it to get corrupt and stop working.....but i see its still empty and working fine.....that means my dvd is not wasted and i saved 3 bucks or its gonna give an error when i try to burn something else on it ?

[jesterrace777]

QUOTE(Bahnzo @ Oct 13 2007, 02:07 PM)

So I got some verbs the other day mail order, they are MII, but dvdinfopro reports them as MKM 001. Are these still quality disks, or MIS *only* for the verbs?

While they are the same dye and they are supposed to be similar quality standards, THEY ARE NOT THE SAME as the MIS stuff produced by MKM's home plant in Singapore.  Deal is that some of the spindles are actually pretty comparable to the MIS stuff, but the others are actually worse than some of the budget quality media (ie Ritek, CMC Mag, Ricoh), so it's kind of luck of the draw on MII stuff.  Here is an interesting read on some personal experiences with MII DL Verb media with the scans to boot.

http://club.cdfreaks.....ks Sam's Club

[Toddler]

Verbatim (Singapore) is obviously first choice, but what would be the best option for full-face printables?

[jesterrace777]

Quite frankly unless you can find one that is MIS, there is no option worth spending money on.  Verbatim and Sony are the only two labels that I know that carry MIS MKM as a DL Media Manufacturer.

[rhlblue]

QUOTE(jesterrace777 @ Oct 15 2007, 01:48 AM)

Quite frankly unless you can find one that is MIS, there is no option worth spending money on.  Verbatim and Sony are the only two labels that I know that carry MIS MKM as a DL Media Manufacturer.

so that means the one i bought here is useless ?
or not enough for a xbox360 game ?

[jesterrace777]

QUOTE(rhlblue @ Oct 15 2007, 03:42 AM)

so that means the one i bought here is useless ?
or not enough for a xbox360 game ?

It means you bought cheap quality media and are taking a gamble with all of the following:

1. A disc that may or may not work

2. Killing your 360 DVD-ROM drive early

3. Getting a disc that works great now but fails a few months down the road

4. The possibility of getting fakes

[lachyzee]

I have had "great success" with Intact-branded DVD+R DL.

I bought these in Australia from the same guy who I got to flash my drive.

The website for the discs is http://www.intactmedia.com.au/.

They appear to be CMC Magnetics discs, media code CMC MAG D02 (which I do not see in the original post?).

10 burns so far at 2.4x on an LG HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GSA-H42N with no coasters, also tested on a Pioneer DVR-212. My 360 drive is a Hitachi 079.

Best thing about them is how cheap they are, I got 10 for AUD $17 (which is even cheaper than the listed online wholesale price, hmm).

So if you are in Aus and can find them, consider giving them a try.

Full DVDInfoPro info:

Region information                                    N/A not a DVD-VIDEO
Media code/Manufacturer ID                                    CMC MAG D02
Media Product Revision Number                                         00h
Format Capacity                                                Blank Disc
Free Blocks                                                    4253024256
Free Capacity                                              7.96GB(8.55GB)
Book Type                                                        DVD+R DL
Media Type                                                       DVD+R DL
Manufacturer Rated Speed                                          Unknown
Available Write Descriptor                           CLV  2.4x   3324KBps
Data area starting sector                                          30000h
Layer 0 end sector                                                22D7FFh
Linear Density                                                0.293um/bit
Track Density                                                0.74um/track
Number of Layers                                                        2
Layer Track Path direction                      (OTP) Opposite track path

[jesterrace777]

I do make reference to CMC Mag DL media in my original post but not that particular code.

[greg0u812]

QUOTE

Honestly it all varies from spindle to spindle and there really is no way to tell for 100% sure until you crack it open and look at the discs. There are some who have reported that there is precious little difference between the MII Verbatims and the MIS Verbatims. On the other hand there are a number of people who have reported finding a number of visible defects (ie discs that come from the factory badly scratched/spotted, fingerprints smudged all over them) and even worse are some of the error rate scans which are showing 2x-3x the number of errors than their MIS counterparts. Bottom line if you end up with a good MII spindle then there really isn't   much to worry about, but if you end up with a bad one then you are almost better off getting lower quality media. It's all luck of the draw with MII Verbatim hence the reason why I tell so many people to stick to the MIS stuff.

This is just fan-freakin'-tastic!!!!

I finally get everything together......3 of my first 5 burns made wonderful coasters (didn't have the software set up properly).  Changed up some software and used my last 2 Verb's to make two good backups.  Went down to BB and picked up a 20 pack of Verbs (hey......know what I doing now    ).
Got to reading this thread and checked the 5 pack box (the one with 3 coaster in it now ) and find that box was MIS.  Checked out the nice shiny new spindle of 20 (minus 4 working backups) and find that they are MII.  

I went through and did a "visual" on all the rest of the spindle and no smudges, scratches, fingerprints, etc....
So far so good.  Guess I am going to be testing  for longevity on this set (not trusting them now though).  Looks like I will be going back to BB next week to find a spindle of MIS discs.

Thanks for all the info jester!!!!!

[fatc2k3]

So overall how do the Verbs MII MKM001 compare to the cheaper media. I have used quite a few Verbs MII and  only had 1 Disk mess up but I dont want to pay over the odd prices if I would be to get the same results with a cheaper media??