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[kingroach]

@PedrosPad,

since you have the tools ( and my xbox 360 just broke with error 0102    ).. Can you get a image dump ( using linux and dd) any XBL arcade full version's folder and get image dump of same games trial version. Now mount the full version's  folder in linux and copy the license to trial version. and running the image from cd..

[esc1]

QUOTE(xboxexpert @ Sep 20 2006, 12:23 AM)

 

[DjoeN]

QUOTE(DaShiZNiT @ Sep 20 2006, 06:10 AM)

WOW I cant believe noone has tried this before now....

cleary this is VERY interesting

Actually someone did

Released 10/09/2006 (European Date time dd/mm/yyyy)

(MUX360S, just placed a wrong date in there NFO)

The also said, it could be done easily with all arcade games, but the stay in trail unless you buy then.


  |  _ //    \/     \\      //    \\      _    .\ /    _/___   360     \\   |
  |  //'   .         \'    '/      \'    |/     \\\____     \            \  |
  : //      \   /    .\    /_      .\    /    __//    /     .\            \ :
   //_______\\//______\\____________\\________\ /____________\             \
  /                                                                         \
 /_____   +--- --  --  -                               -  --  -- ---+   _____\
 .... /  /        Hexic HD SELFBOOTING XBOX360 - MUX360S             \  \ ....
 ::' /: +--- --  --  -                                   -  --  -- ---+ :\ `::
 '  / +-----------------------------------------------------------------+ \  `
   /__    Company  :  Alexey Pajitnov                                    __\
      |   Date     :  10/11/2006                                        |
      |   System   :  XenawarriorprincessBOX nr.360                     |
      |   Size     :  size did matter afterall sayz s0r's GF :c         |
  ___ : _ Country  :  EUR                                             _ : ___
  \   . / Language :  Multi1 (Engrish)                                \ .   /
   \   / _ __ ___________________________________________________ __ _ \   /
    ' /_________________________________________________________________\ '
      .                                                                 .
        Gay info
      :                                                                 :
      |                                                                 |
      | Hexic HD came with MS HDD for 360!!                             |
      | But now u dont need to buy MS HDD for 360 thx to MUX360s!!      |  
      |                                                                 |
      | COOL NFO :                                                      |
      |                                                                 |
      | First of all, Mr. Madden Himself sends warm yellow greetings    |
      | to his friends in DNL, after MUX360s scored the touchdown.      |
      |                                                                 |
      |                                                                 |
      | So... wtf is this fuzz about, Wondered s0r[MUPS]...             |
      | so, he looked up HEXIC on google.....                           |
      | This Xbox Live Arcade puzzle game is designed by Alexey Pajitnov|
      |   the internationally-known creator of Tetris.                    |
      |   You will spend your time rotating groups of different colored   |
      |   hexagons,attempting to group them together and wipe them from   |
      |   the board.......                                                |

...

      | some rather nice side nfo is, it works on non modded consoles.  |
      |          how h.a.r.d.C.0.r.e is that my wiggahz?                |
      |                                                                 |
      | ok,it still doesnt work on PSP, but FW 3.1 will include a mode  |
      |   to run unsigned XBL code. but the beta shows promise!           |
      |                                                                 |
      | This image works on UNMODDED XBOX360! Just put the disc inside  |
      | and go to XboX live arcade menu in the dashboard and play    |
      | You can burn this image on dvd or cd, it has been tested on     |
      | animals,dvdrw and cdrw

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QUOTE(pholly @ Sep 20 2006, 10:33 PM)

I tried using the games from the unplugged disc and they were demos so that won't work.

that's normal

When you have bought (let's say) 10 xbla games and suddenly your xbox360 goes broke.

1. You go get a new X360 / Or you send it in for warranty and you get a refurb/new one
2. You take your hd and slip in on your new x360
3. WTF all those bought arcade XBLA games i PAYED for are all back TRAIL
4. Well you have to sit and lay down to it, the xbla full games are bound to the console you downloaded then and unlocked them on
5. Do i get a refund: No MS has stated that when you buy/get/whatever way a new X360 you have to buy all those xbla games again.

Conclusion:

Does this suxs, i hope my x360 will never break, or i lose alot of money, i bought almost every xbla game out and i hate to see it wasted money, money MS will stick in there pocket with no refund!

[pholly]

Unless I'm mistaken, even if you play on a different or new 360 as long as your profile is connected to xbox live they will be full again...right?

[DjoeN]

QUOTE(pholly @ Sep 21 2006, 01:24 AM)

Unless I'm mistaken, even if you play on a different or new 360 as long as your profile is connected to xbox live they will be full again...right?

No, there not

(ok, the are somehow bound to your account to, if you take your account on, memory and go to another box you should be able to play your xbla games full)

BUT

Some while ago i and some friends did some tests

we made an account xbl gold

the guy who payed the account shared his account with us (bassicly we could just log into our xbox360 with his account) we made a deal, we log into our account adding the shared account, when we see it online we don't use it (if you connect with 1 account from 2 places one of them get disconnected)

We donated him some money for MS Points and he started to buy full xbla games he played them all fine (full not trial)

When he logged out he got back with his private xbla telling us one of us could go online with his shared account)

So we went recovered the profile to our xbox360, logging in with his account and downloading the game he purchased.

The result was we only got it working trial, not full (had it something to do with having the account on HD and not on memorycart?)

(we did some more tests, but this is it explained in a straight way.)

Some of the guys lived in the same country, some lived in another, but still european country

Anyway we stopped wondering about it and get one with work and wife, no messing around anymore with it just play

[pimpmaul69]

nm my discs do work... i tried to run from disc not go into arcadesection

[pimpmaul69]

on a good note hexic is a full version no matter what xbox if you have the one off the premium xbox.. and no the games are not locked to just your account..it is locked to the xbox they were purchased from not the memory unit..so the only way to use your memory card and play the full versions is the other person has to be signed on xbox live

[pimpmaul69]

i could be wrong about hexic... so if someone could further test that would be awesome

[PedrosPad]

QUOTE(pholly @ Sep 20 2006, 09:33 PM)

I tried using the games from the unplugged disc and they were demos so that won't work.

Not having the disk yet, I have to rely on feedback from others.

I find this post extremely interesting.

The online distribution, trial system, and purchase model of the XBLA service imposes constraints on how things must work.  Republishing the XBLA games on DVD removes all those constraints (it doesn't even need to be the same game code, let alone similar distribution (PIRS archives)).  It's interesting that it appears that M$ choose to change as little as possible and simply redistribute the standard XBLA content and appears to leverage the regular licensing model.  (Obviously, this is the most cost effective.)

Responding directly to the quoted post, I take it you burnt the content from the Unplugged DVD onto CD in the necessary folder structure for your test.  I'm impressed that they worked as trial games, and simply didn't refuse to work.  From this it would appear that where downloaded license for XBLA content binds itself to the console, the Unplugged content license appear to be bound to the original DVD.

QUOTE(kingroach @ Sep 20 2006, 09:52 PM)

@PedrosPad,

since you have the tools ( and my xbox 360 just broke with error 0102    ).. Can you get a image dump ( using linux and dd) any XBL arcade full version's folder and get image dump of same games trial version. Now mount the full version's  folder in linux and copy the license to trial version. and running the image from cd..

I've a folder on my PC full of trial XBLA content, and an identical folder filled with purchased versions.  The only differences are limited about a dozen bytes within the PIRS header (in addition to the regular 2048bit PIRS content certificate which is recalculated to encompass the content byte changes).  I expect that if I burn one of my purchased XBLA titles to CD, it'd play as full version on my console and trial on any other.  But I'm happy to verify this.

QUOTE(DjoeN @ Sep 20 2006, 11:44 PM)

When you have bought (let's say) 10 xbla games and suddenly your xbox360 goes broke.

1. You go get a new X360 / Or you send it in for warranty and you get a refurb/new one
2. You take your hd and slip in on your new x360
3. WTF all those bought arcade XBLA games i PAYED for are all back TRAIL
4. Well you have to sit and lay down to it, the xbla full games are bound to the console you downloaded then and unlocked them on
5. Do i get a refund: No MS has stated that when you buy/get/whatever way a new X360 you have to buy all those xbla games again.

Conclusion:

Does this suxs, i hope my x360 will never break, or i lose alot of money, i bought almost every xbla game out and i hate to see it wasted money, money MS will stick in there pocket with no refund!

This has happened to a few folks.  For them, M$ support simply credited their M$ point account with enough points to repurchase the content.

QUOTE(pholly @ Sep 21 2006, 12:24 AM)

Unless I'm mistaken, even if you play on a different or new 360 as long as your profile is connected to xbox live they will be full again...right?

100% correct.

QUOTE(pimpmaul69 @ Sep 21 2006, 07:18 AM)

i could be wrong about hexic... so if someone could further test that would be awesome

AFAIK no trial version of HexicHD exists.  It's always the full version.  Whether this is achieved via a default license, or the code simply doesn't contain a license check is unknown.

[rippinitto]

they   will probly patch this

[R-Dawggy Dawg]

QUOTE(rippinitto @ Sep 21 2006, 09:14 AM)

they   will probly patch this

 just like they will probly patch the dvd firmware?  

[pimpmaul69]

QUOTE(pholly @ Sep 21 2006, 12:24 AM)

Unless I'm mistaken, even if you play on a different or new 360 as long as your profile is connected to xbox live they will be full again...right?

you are correct... i disagree with djoen..because ive seen 2 xboxes that people purchased their content with their hdd but someone elses box and when they put the hdd on their boxes they didnt work..but if they sign into live then it did in fact work

[Spark]

So in effect then, they are locked to the Gold Live profile ?

I'm not an expert on these things, but doesn't that effectively mean that when you purchase Arcade content, your ID is written into the executable, so therefore dependent on the type of signing they've used, it could effectively be possible to hex that information to match that of a second profile and it would run.

I'm not a programmer at all, this is just pure speculation.

This post has been edited by Spark: Sep 21 2006, 08:05 PM

[PedrosPad]

QUOTE(Spark @ Sep 21 2006, 08:11 PM)

So in effect then, they are locked to the Gold Live profile ?

I'm not an expert on these things, but doesn't that effectively mean that when you purchase Arcade content, your ID is written into the executable, so therefore dependent on the type of signing they've used, it could effectively be possible to hex that information to match that of a second profile and it would run.

I'm not a programmer at all, this is just pure speculation.

Not exactly.  When you purchase a license for an XBLA title, the fact you purchased it is recorded in your XBL server-held profile.

If your profile is logged in when you attempt to play an XBLA title, the title will, after failing to find a locally held license, consult your profile data held on the XBL server.  So while licenses are certainly purchased under, and are related to, a profile name, it's a loosely-coupled relationship (dependant on M$'s XBL server!), and not the closely-coupled relationship you suggest (as that would be too easy to exploit – as you mention).

This post has been edited by PedrosPad: Sep 21 2006, 09:39 PM

[Spark]

That's what I thought, I mean I know security isn't MS's strong point, but that would be a little simplistic even for them, and of course if that sort of information was hexable, then that also possibly opens an exploit gate to homebrew.

It's a questionable security method though, because if ever your Live profile was accidentally corrupted or removed in error by MS, you would essentially lose access rights to software which you had already paid for.