Topic: Media, Surely There Must Be An Alternative (Read 313 times)

Spud_Hed · « **on:** September 08, 2006, 05:52:00 AM »

i cant belive that the only discs that work or hitatchi drives are verbs, there must be another brand usin the same dye at least, i askin because unlike the states where verbs are everywhere and cheap as chips, over here in the uk theyre very rare and very expensive, the best price ive found anywhere is £20 for 10 discs (thats around $40 for you usa guys) but they rarely have any stock, are there any other manuacturers usin mkm or at least anythin but ritek, i just wish every shop here wasnt stocking 5 different brands of ritek discs, datasafe, datawrite, tuffdisc are all very readily available but little else. aside from that what happens if verbatim change their dye, are we all totally screwed? would be a very easy way for M$ to block the mod, just pay mitsubishi to change the dye a little

chilin_dude · « **Reply #1 on:** September 08, 2006, 06:14:00 AM »

Verbs are 10 for £14 on SVP mate

Spud_Hed · « **Reply #2 on:** September 08, 2006, 06:28:00 AM »

thats not bad at all, problem is i cant order online (i owe the bank big and have to clear it before i can use the card again) and i dont like usin mail order at the best of times (ive had many a smashed package turn up at my door) all i want is a decent shop that has a good stock of decent dvd media at a sensible price, i dont mind paying 2 quid a disc if i dont have to visit 10 shops to find one disc and when you do find them they usually only have about 3 in stock, and like i say what if they change the dye, i cant belive theres only one media type on the market that works

Spud_Hed · « **Reply #3 on:** September 08, 2006, 09:13:00 AM »

hmm even though you say they work ive not had a single ritek even come close, is there any media at all other than verbs that dont use ritek or have all other dye makers one out of buisness, i havent found a single exeption yet, if anyone finds a non ritek disc thats not a verbatim in the uk please let me know, im willin to travel anywhere but london to go to a shop that doesnt sell f***ing riteks and has more than 5 in stock at one time, of course it could be that as usual companies couldnt ive a damn about the uk so they send the decent stuff elsewhere and sell us the crap at twice the price, this is really p*ssin me of now, can i change the drive in the 360 itself?

jesterrace777 · « **Reply #4 on:** September 08, 2006, 12:09:00 PM »

I know for sure that Phillips D/L DVD+R are CMC Mag and there are some discs out there that sport a Ricoh media ID code (not to be cofused with Ritek). No promises on quality on either one of these options though. The thing is that the D/L media by nature is less compatible, ect. and the only manufacturer that really seems to produce a quality D/L disc is Mitsubishi Chemicals (Verbatim). I have yet to see a reliable label outside of Verbatim that carries the MKM media ID code so I am afraid you are stuck if you want Verbatim type quality.

jesterrace777 · « **Reply #5 on:** September 08, 2006, 04:40:00 PM »

QUOTE(arcane100 @ Sep 8 2006, 07:55 PM)

Ive been using datasafe disks for a little while now with my hitachi, burned on a pioneer 111d and so far no issues mate.

Im fed up paying £££'s for verbatims

And just how long do you plan on using these discs? Do some error rate scans and you will discover why it is worth the extra money for Verbs.

Spud_Hed · « **Reply #6 on:** September 09, 2006, 03:23:00 AM »

well ill try and hunt down some phillips discs over the weekend and i may be able to lay my hands on some mitsubishi discs when im in bournemouth next week (i know a shop that had loads last time i was there) ill post results in the new media thread as soon as i have them. thanks for the info

jesterrace777 · « **Reply #7 on:** September 09, 2006, 11:12:00 AM »

Do you happen to have a drive that supports error rate scanning (ie Lite-On, Benq or Plextor)? I would be curious to see some scans from the various media. Outside of the occasional Ritek fluke I have yet to see any D/L media besides Verbatim give decent scans on a regular basis.

Ultra_Extreme · « **Reply #8 on:** November 18, 2006, 07:14:00 PM »

Am running a test on a few types of media soon, will update once i get results, Anything using CMC MAG 01 in a pioneer 111D APPARENTLY burns at about 80% reliability and is about 50-60% cost, thus if you can hack a few coasters not bad.

B4tm4n · « **Reply #9 on:** November 18, 2006, 11:00:00 PM »

How do you go about doing an error rate scan on your drive?

I bought these Datawrite DL discs from Big Pockets, £16.98 for 25.

0000 - E1 0F 32 10 00 03 00 00 00 FC FF FF 00 22 D7 FF - ..2.........."..
0010 - 00 00 03 52 49 43 4F 48 4A 50 4E 44 30 31 02 40 - ...RICOHJPND01.@
0020 - 25 25 37 10 00 2C 6C 00 2C 6C 20 1F 0C 0C 14 14 - %%7..,l.,l......
0030 - 02 01 01 20 00 20 1F 0C 0C 14 14 02 01 01 20 00 - ................
0040 - 04 00 33 7B 5C 00 25 69 3A 26 1C 0A 0B 20 02 01 - ..3{\.%i:&......
0050 - 01 00 00 58 62 42 26 1C 0A 0B 20 02 01 01 00 5F - ...XbB&........_
0060 - 04 00 00 43 66 3E 26 1C 0A 0B 20 02 01 01 00 00 - ...Cf>&.........
0070 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - ................

There reported to have the media code RICOHJPN D01 (002), I've burned two so far without any problems but then I do have a sammy in my 360 and read somewhere that its not too fussy about media.
But I'd like to do an error rate scan if someone could tell me how.

Cheers.

jesterrace777 · « **Reply #10 on:** November 19, 2006, 01:15:00 AM »

QUOTE(B4tm4n @ Nov 19 2006, 07:07 AM)

How do you go about doing an error rate scan on your drive?

I bought these Datawrite DL discs from Big Pockets, £16.98 for 25.

0000 - E1 0F 32 10 00 03 00 00 00 FC FF FF 00 22 D7 FF - ..2.........."..
0010 - 00 00 03 52 49 43 4F 48 4A 50 4E 44 30 31 02 40 - ...RICOHJPND01.@
0020 - 25 25 37 10 00 2C 6C 00 2C 6C 20 1F 0C 0C 14 14 - %%7..,l.,l......
0030 - 02 01 01 20 00 20 1F 0C 0C 14 14 02 01 01 20 00 - ................
0040 - 04 00 33 7B 5C 00 25 69 3A 26 1C 0A 0B 20 02 01 - ..3{\.%i:&......
0050 - 01 00 00 58 62 42 26 1C 0A 0B 20 02 01 01 00 5F - ...XbB&........_
0060 - 04 00 00 43 66 3E 26 1C 0A 0B 20 02 01 01 00 00 - ...Cf>&.........
0070 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - ................

There reported to have the media code RICOHJPN D01 (002), I've burned two so far without any problems but then I do have a sammy in my 360 and read somewhere that its not too fussy about media.
But I'd like to do an error rate scan if someone could tell me how.
Cheers.

To do an ACCURATE Error Rate scan you will need a Lite-On, Benq or Plextor DVD Burner. For Lite-On you can use a couple of different programs: Kprobe2 and the latest Nero CD/DVD Speed. The Benq drives will do them with the latest Nero CD/DVD Speed and the Plextor drives will do them with Plextools or Nero CD/DVD Speed. The latest Nero CD/DVD Speed (V4.7) does seem to support the Pioneer 111D, however upon comparing my Lite-On 160 and my Pioneer 111D, I wouldn't put too much faith into it's abilities as an accurate scanner.

B4tm4n · « **Reply #11 on:** November 19, 2006, 01:29:00 AM »

QUOTE(jesterrace777 @ Nov 19 2006, 10:22 AM)

To do an ACCURATE Error Rate scan you will need a Lite-On, Benq or Plextor DVD Burner. For Lite-On you can use a couple of different programs: Kprobe2 and the latest Nero CD/DVD Speed. The Benq drives will do them with the latest Nero CD/DVD Speed and the Plextor drives will do them with Plextools or Nero CD/DVD Speed. The latest Nero CD/DVD Speed (V4.7) does seem to support the Pioneer 111D, however upon comparing my Lite-On 160 and my Pioneer 111D, I wouldn't put too much faith into it's abilities as an accurate scanner.

Don't have any of those drives, I got a NEC3500, don't think I'll buy one just for this.

Cheers for the info anyway.

B4tm4n · « **Reply #12 on:** November 19, 2006, 04:43:00 AM »

Trawling the net I found a LiteOn DW1670 for £17.99 with delivery and couldn't resist so I ordered one.
Soon I'll be able to test those RICOHJPN D01 disc and see if they really saved me money in the long run, or will I be going back the verbatims.

jesterrace777 · « **Reply #13 on:** November 20, 2006, 10:20:00 PM »

QUOTE(B4tm4n @ Nov 19 2006, 12:50 PM)

Trawling the net I found a LiteOn DW1670 for £17.99 with delivery and couldn't resist so I ordered one.
Soon I'll be able to test those RICOHJPN D01 disc and see if they really saved me money in the long run, or will I be going back the verbatims.

Yup, drives are cheap enough these days that it is worth it to have them just for scanning (not to mention the Lite-Ons are excellent rippers with the right firmware). I have a 160P6S that I bought just for ripping and error rate scans. I am really curious to see your results. If you don't already have a full version of Nero, the latest Nero CD/DVD Speed can be had here:

http://www.cdspeed2000.com/

B4tm4n · « **Reply #14 on:** November 21, 2006, 04:22:00 AM »

Thanks for the link, but I've already got the latest version in anticipation of delivery of the new drive.
I'll post the test results as soon as I get it.

Its still listed as Waiting for delivery of stock as of today so I'll be waiting a little longer.

Cheers.

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