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[scrano]

Sorry about the length of this post but I thought this info may help someone with getting their backups to read in their consoles, so I thought I'd be as detailed as I could be.

Anyways I've got TS drive in my 360 but I think this may help guys with either drive.

I've tried a heap of different methods for creating backups of my games and had varying luck so I ordered a new burner. A Pioneer 111d to be exact anyways I've made a couple of backups with this and everything works fine (boots straight away, regardless of cold or hot).

Anyways before I got my Pioneer drive I had to get a firmware for my drive (SONY DRU-700A)that supported bitsetting. I was able to find a few different firmwares that allowed me to do this (thanks to the guys that helped me find them).

Once I changed my firmware I was able to change the booktype for +R DL discs to DVD-ROM and able to burn my backed up image.

This is where my problems really began because the backups that I made wouldn't read correctly. I sometimes had to eject and reload the game up to 10 times or more before it would finally read it and even then it was like it wasn't reading it properly because I could hear the laser moving around a lot as though it was constantly searching for data.

I decided to have a look at these backups ( which were burnt with CloneCD and DVDDecrypter. They were also dumped the WxRipper method and the Extreme method, so I was fairly confident that I'd covered all bases ).

I put one of them into my burner and went to dump it back to my HDD to see what I could pickup might be wrong. I used CloneCD and chose to "Read To Image File", I then chose the drive my backup was in and hit "Next", in the info on the right of the CloneCD window down the bottom I had a look at "Info Inserted On Disc" and it said:

Sectors: 1
LayerBreak: 2086912
LAYERBREAK: 2086912

Now I know for certain that the LayerBreak in the .dvd file for CloneCD was definitely set to 1913760. I check all of these settings before I burn a backup (I make sure that I delete this line and set user specified whenever I use DVDDecrypter and make sure it's right when I use CloneCD).

I have made 100% working backups with my Pioneer drive and done the same thing and when I put the disc back in and read it with CloneCD the LayerBreak is what it should be, 1913760.

The only reason I can think of this happening is it's either a firmware issue when trying to upgrade my burner to a newer firmware or something like a calibration error. I don't know enough about this to be certain but I do know that every game that my Sony drive had set to 1913760 I had issues with.

It could be just a problem with my burner but it may be something that's applicable to other burners as well.

Hope this helps

[thelipstickdevice]

you bring up a very good point man i noticed that on my burns as well with my memorex....but i have no clue as to how to go about correcting it....

thanks for the heads up as soon as i get home from work i'll do get to work on that....

i was about to order a pioneer drive as well which is a quick easy fix but i already have two dvd burners and i can't 100 percent justify having a new one yet...especially if i happen to be one of those people that it still doesn't work for....

This post has been edited by thelipstickdevice: Jun 30 2006, 03:14 PM

[Xcitedguy]

QUOTE(scrano @ Jun 30 2006, 09:13 AM)

Sorry about the length of this post but I thought this info may help someone with getting their backups to read in their consoles, so I thought I'd be as detailed as I could be.

Anyways I've got TS drive in my 360 but I think this may help guys with either drive.

I've tried a heap of different methods for creating backups of my games and had varying luck so I ordered a new burner. A Pioneer 111d to be exact anyways I've made a couple of backups with this and everything works fine (boots straight away, regardless of cold or hot).

Anyways before I got my Pioneer drive I had to get a firmware for my drive (SONY DRU-700A)that supported bitsetting. I was able to find a few different firmwares that allowed me to do this (thanks to the guys that helped me find them).

Once I changed my firmware I was able to change the booktype for +R DL discs to DVD-ROM and able to burn my backed up image.

This is where my problems really began because the backups that I made wouldn't read correctly. I sometimes had to eject and reload the game up to 10 times or more before it would finally read it and even then it was like it wasn't reading it properly because I could hear the laser moving around a lot as though it was constantly searching for data.

I decided to have a look at these backups ( which were burnt with CloneCD and DVDDecrypter. They were also dumped the WxRipper method and the Extreme method, so I was fairly confident that I'd covered all bases ).

I put one of them into my burner and went to dump it back to my HDD to see what I could pickup might be wrong. I used CloneCD and chose to "Read To Image File", I then chose the drive my backup was in and hit "Next", in the info on the right of the CloneCD window down the bottom I had a look at "Info Inserted On Disc" and it said:

Sectors: 1
LayerBreak: 2086912
LAYERBREAK: 2086912

Now I know for certain that the LayerBreak in the .dvd file for CloneCD was definitely set to 1913760. I check all of these settings before I burn a backup (I make sure that I delete this line and set user specified whenever I use DVDDecrypter and make sure it's right when I use CloneCD).

I have made 100% working backups with my Pioneer drive and done the same thing and when I put the disc back in and read it with CloneCD the LayerBreak is what it should be, 1913760.

The only reason I can think of this happening is it's either a firmware issue when trying to upgrade my burner to a newer firmware or something like a calibration error. I don't know enough about this to be certain but I do know that every game that my Sony drive had set to 1913760 I had issues with.

It could be just a problem with my burner but it may be something that's applicable to other burners as well.

Hope this helps

Definitly sounds like a burner issue. Have you tried upgrading to the latest firmware? Your burner may not be capable of writing a layer break at that particular spot on the disc...

[thelipstickdevice]

is upgrading always the answer because i never tried burning before i upgraded but yes i did upgrade to the most recent....yws6...is it possible to downgrade and try....

how can you tell if the burner is/not able to do the layer break...

[Xcitedguy]

QUOTE(thelipstickdevice @ Jun 30 2006, 12:48 PM)

is upgrading always the answer because i never tried burning before i upgraded but yes i did upgrade to the most recent....yws6...is it possible to downgrade and try....

how can you tell if the burner is/not able to do the layer break...

If you didn't crossflash your drive, you can probably downgrade with no problems. The only way you can tell is if you actually try burning a backup, then put it back in your drive and pretend your gonna rip the image from it with clonecd and see where it detects the layer break at.

[thelipstickdevice]

what exectly does cross flash mean?  i did it using the firmware upgrade straight from the memorex download site....

thanks for the tip on the layer break i'll check it soon as i get home....if it is wrong there's really not much i can do but by the pioneer huh?

nothing wrong with that at all just wanna keep that as an absoulte last resort...

[ereet1]

cross flash usually means another vendor who oems the drive that has better features (same hardware) or same vendor different model (ie turn your normal drive into a light-scribing model).

seriously the pioneer111D is a small price to save on coasters (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) better get them b4 they are all gone!

[thelipstickdevice]

i just checked my back ups with

clone cd:

Info on inserted Disc:
Sectors: 3697696
LayerBreak: 1913760

with imgburn:

Physical Format Information (Last Recorded):
Disc ID: MKM-003-00
Book Type: DVD-ROM
Part Version: 1
Disc Size: 120mm
Maximum Read Rate: Not Specified
Number of Layers: 2
Track Path: Opposite Track Path (OTP)
Linear Density: 0.293 um/bit
Track Density: 0.74 um/track
First Physical Sector of Data Area: 196,608
Last Physical Sector of Data Area: 16,450,783
Last Physical Sector in Layer 0: 2,110,367

Layer Information:
Layer 0 Sectors: 1,913,760 (51.76%)
Layer 1 Sectors: 1,783,936 (48.24%)


anyone see any mistakes cuz i don't

This post has been edited by thelipstickdevice: Jul 1 2006, 12:19 AM

[Xcitedguy]

QUOTE(thelipstickdevice @ Jun 30 2006, 06:50 PM)

i just checked my back ups with

clone cd:

Info on inserted Disc:
Sectors: 3697696
LayerBreak: 1913760

with imgburn:

Physical Format Information (Last Recorded):
Disc ID: MKM-003-00
Book Type: DVD-ROM
Part Version: 1
Disc Size: 120mm
Maximum Read Rate: Not Specified
Number of Layers: 2
Track Path: Opposite Track Path (OTP)
Linear Density: 0.293 um/bit
Track Density: 0.74 um/track
First Physical Sector of Data Area: 196,608
Last Physical Sector of Data Area: 16,450,783
Last Physical Sector in Layer 0: 2,110,367

Layer Information:
Layer 0 Sectors: 1,913,760 (51.76%)
Layer 1 Sectors: 1,783,936 (48.24%)


anyone see any mistakes cuz i don't

Well with what burner did you burn those backups at, because that is a HUGE factor in making them work. Not all of it depends on if you got the layer break in the right spot or not, only part of it. If you have a Hiatchi drive, then it very much matters on which burner your using and what speed you burn it at. Please give us more info on how these backups were made. Did you try opening the backups with wx360.exe to see if you could browse the files in the iso?

[scrano]

Yeah Xcitedguy I've tried several different firmware revisions including the latest official version from Sony. I've also tried several different unofficial versions from sites like the code guys and tried different settings, like cross flashing and using the recommended media tweaks.
 
Every +R DL disc burnt with that drive regardless of what firmware version I've used, or what firmware settings I've used, hasn't worked as it should or as I've hoped it would (like not loading immediately). In some instances not at all (like when I hadn't enabled cross flashing). I am making sure that I'm changing the booktype and that the program that I'm using, whether it be CloneCD or ImgBurn/DVDDecrypter is being given the correct LayerBreak info.

Each disc when I've put it back in my PC and gone to read it back to my HDD has shown that the LayerBreak has been set at 2086912 regardless on what I've had in my .dvd file or set in the settings for ImgBurn/DVDDecrypter.

I'm assuming that because it's happened with different firmware revisions that my drive is having trouble aligning the laser at that point or something along those lines (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong).

If it's an issue with my burner then I would think that it could possibly be an issue with any of the burners that are having trouble.

I've got a Pioneer 111d now and haven't had a problem since I got it. I've checked each of my disc's burnt with the Pioneer in my PC and they've all had the LayerBreak inserted at the right spot.

I'm just putting this out there as a possibility. I would suggest if you're having trouble with your backups being read just to check that your burner has made the LayerBreak at the right spot. If it has then you can eliminate this as the 'cause of your problems. I've gone through a heap of media because of this, and if this helps someone, then good, it's done it purpose.

Hope this helps

[johnbia]

I'm having the same problem using a 111d drive. This is what I get when reading the burnt disc with clonecd.
Any ideas?

Sectors: 1
LayerBreak: 2086912
LAYERBREAK: 2086912