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[Joergen]

Upgrade the nec firmware.

And yes ritek are slower because they are el-cheapo media. Of course even the verbs are slower than pressed discs because that is the nature of burnable media. But there's good media (dye) and good burners (and firmwares) and then there's bad in both.

[Mysoundhurts]

I noticed if you burn at 1x load times improve slightly. although it takes forever to burn a disc.

[Joergen]

I'm just going by experience where with single layer media ritek is always substantially slower to read than verbatim. On a samsung drive on the xbox1 a verb -R plays all the FMV perfectly and loads fast, while a ritek has badly stuttering FMV each and every time.

Same goes for the PS2, verbs run games like GTA (which stream constantly) perfectly while Riteks have you driving on air.

[liteon6x]

i have serval nec burners they utilizes the pioneers chipset for dvd writing, these chips are optimized for -r media
they are not good for dvd+dl
the  benq 1655 on the other hand  utilizes the philps chipset these are the guys that invented the dvd + format
this is the burner i use to burn my ritek dl and they work perfect

i hope this helps

[chipD]

Im using an hp 740 burner and fujifilm 2.4x discs(i heard there ritek) and i have to admit loading is slower.So far the games ive backed up are playable,so im not gonna waist my time and money trying every brand out there.Im just gonna wait it out till someone figures out the best burner,media,software to burn,and burn speed.

[TheRealPeppers]

your not going to find any media that loads just like the original witch is due to 2 reasons I can see

1. burnable disks are not as high grade as commercial ones

2.its also possible that the nature fw hack itself slows things down a bit

but it works ok I can live with slightly longer load times remember for best results always burn as slow as you can

I would not recamend trying it but its possiple that turning up the 360's lazer pot just a little might help with this

[Topho]

I'll keep using my Oblivion original, because the Ritek +R DL backup is too slow for my taste. I will use the Far Cry backup however, because it loads fast enough compared to my original to be playable. The only two games I've tested so far are Oblivion and Far Cry. What are other peoples findings in terms of backup loading speeds. I'm going to get my stop watch out on Oblivion in a little while and do some real testing.

I don't really feel like testing out Verbatims now with the previous comments made. It seems as though this is just how fast backups will play. Calvin940 even said that there is a neglible difference between Ritek and Verbatim when running Oblivion backups. I find his finding valid.

The ultimate solution is a modchip with large hard drive, but that is a ways off. Any ideas for speeding things up in the mean time?

Burning at the slowest speed (1x) has been debated and debated, and I've heard that it's actually better to burn at rated speeds. So I don't know about that.

[tmoney_man]

QUOTE(calvin940 @ Jun 8 2006, 08:24 AM)

All +R DL media is going to run slower than the original 360 pressed retail games.  That's why you don't hear the damn jet engines taking off in your xbox with the backups as opposed to the originals.  Someone mentioned that the retail discs are running at 12x on the reader and backups are running 8x or 6x.  Not sure how to calculate for sure.

As for Verb vs ritek, I challenge anyone to demonstrate that one media is faster than the other.  Both would be running at 8x or 6x (whatever the DVD+R DL).  I have burned oblivion to both and both run slow on the backup with no difference.  I did some quick timings - essentially identical.+/- 1 -2 seconds in favour of different discs depending (ie. a couple times ritek won, a couple times verb won - again compared to the overall time for loading the difference was not significant).

As for Ritek being el-cheapo, they are an inexpensive media, but damn reliable.  If you remember back to xbox 1 days of initial burning, verb and ritek were practically the only media that would work and verbs were close to 5x the price of ritek.

Ritek have continued to remain inexpensive and have worked reliably in everything I thrown them in.  If you have problems with Ritek, then I believe it's your burner and not the media.

Cal

I also use ritek, they are much cheaper and work awesome as backups....No problems at all

[Topho]

I can't burn the backups on my NEC 3520aw burner because of the darn "Power Calibration Error,I/O Error, DVD+R DL Boundary Info" error.

I've tried numerous firmwares, modified and stock. Doesn't fix the problem.
I've tried burning in a totally different computer with the same drive. Doesn't fix the problem.
I've tried burning at 1x, 2x, 2.4x, and Max. Doesn't fix the problem.
I've tried numerous discs from the stack.

This is all occuring on Ritek DVD+R DL.


Any other ideas. The Lite-On 1693S in my other comp, burns the backups just fine with the boundary set in Image Burn. This NEC 3520aw just refuses to work. Help?

Would Verbatim media possibly fix the problem.

[rift]

QUOTE(Topho @ Jun 14 2006, 12:02 AM)

I can't burn the backups on my NEC 3520aw burner because of the darn "Power Calibration Error,I/O Error, DVD+R DL Boundary Info" error.

I've tried numerous firmwares, modified and stock. Doesn't fix the problem.
I've tried burning in a totally different computer with the same drive. Doesn't fix the problem.
I've tried burning at 1x, 2x, 2.4x, and Max. Doesn't fix the problem.
I've tried numerous discs from the stack.

This is all occuring on Ritek DVD+R DL.
Any other ideas. The Lite-On 1693S in my other comp, burns the backups just fine with the boundary set in Image Burn. This NEC 3520aw just refuses to work. Help?

Would Verbatim media possibly fix the problem.

Do you only get this error ONLY when you burn Ritek DL?  Or does it give you that error on all media?

[Woore]

Well while everybody is arguing i did some test with diffrent media... I bougth some Memorex and i bought some Verbatim's. Since the Memorex are Ritek's i didnt buy any. Im using a NEC 3550a no hacked firmware just the one from ther site i think is the 1.6... And i burn all my Backups with DVD Decryter

I bought a 3pk of the Memorex(Ritek's) Max speed for these disc's are 2.4x

1) Need For Speed MW (2.x4) freezes all the time < Maybe a bad disc
2) Far Cry (2.4x) Works real good < Loads fast
3) Madden 2006 (2.4x) Works real good <Loads fast

But i was still not Happy so i when and Bought a 20pk Of Verbatim's Max Speed for these disc's are 8x

1) MLB 2K6 (2.4x) Works Perfect < No loading problems
2) Oblivion  (6x )   Works Perfect < No loading problems
3) Top Spin 2 (6x ) Works Perfect < No loading problems
4) Rumble Roses (6x ) Works Perfect < No loading problems

If you guys want better loading and better disc's go with the Verbatim's im burning all my other Backups at 6x with no problems it only takes me 17 min to burn. JUst my 2 cent

P.S i will try to burn at 8x tonight when i get back from work...

[Woore]

**UPDATE**

I just burned Condemm @ 8x on a Verbatim. it took me about 16 min Works Perfect  No loading problems. theres not alot difference in burning @6x and burning @ 8x only 2 min after finishing the disc. just in case burn them @ 6x just to be in the safe side..

[Xb0XmAn]

QUOTE(Topho @ Jun 14 2006, 01:02 AM)

I can't burn the backups on my NEC 3520aw burner because of the darn "Power Calibration Error,I/O Error, DVD+R DL Boundary Info" error.

I've tried numerous firmwares, modified and stock. Doesn't fix the problem.
I've tried burning in a totally different computer with the same drive. Doesn't fix the problem.
I've tried burning at 1x, 2x, 2.4x, and Max. Doesn't fix the problem.
I've tried numerous discs from the stack.

This is all occuring on Ritek DVD+R DL.
Any other ideas. The Lite-On 1693S in my other comp, burns the backups just fine with the boundary set in Image Burn. This NEC 3520aw just refuses to work. Help?

Would Verbatim media possibly fix the problem.

I just burned topspin 2 on a nec 3520a (2.4x) with clonecd and no errors. its pretty cheap media and the game works fine, probably loads a bit slower than original

[Havok]

QUOTE(Topho @ Jun 16 2006, 05:41 AM)

Yeah. Ritek DVD+R DL + My NEC 3520A = NO GO! No matter how I burn, or what I do. It always gets that Power Calibration Error.

I'm gonna try some Verbatim first before I do anything drastic. Every other media and burn has produced very good results. It might be this stack and it might be Ritek. Maybe Verbatim will work, but damn its expensive.

As someone asked are you using the newest firmware for your burner??

[Topho]

I got my Verbatims DVD+R DL. They work 100% in my NEC 3520a at 2.4x, where my Ritek would fail every time.


Hitman Original Mission Load: 24 Seconds.
Hitman 2.4x Verbatim DVD+R DL Backup (WxRipper): 25 Seconds.

The Verbatims look very good speed wise. However, during one of the FMV sequences, the Verbatim backup had 3 slight stutters. What could this be caused by? I can check my backup with a Lite-On Scan for PIO and such.  Guess I don't know what could have caused that. Weak lasers can cause skipping, and I've seen it, but this is a brand new Samsung. Pot could be off I suppose. Ideas? Like the speed comparisons?