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[bigbubba7373]

dvdinfo pro comes up with this for info on them
                            Media Information                            
Region information                                    N/A not a DVD-VIDEO
Media code/Manufacturer ID                                    RICOHJPND00
Media Product Revision Number                                         01h
Format Capacity                                                Blank Disc
Free Blocks                                                    4253024256
Free Capacity                                              7.96GB(8.55GB)
Book Type                                                        DVD+R DL
Media Type                                                       DVD+R DL
Manufacturer Rated Speed                                          Unknown
Available Write Descriptor                           CLV  2.4x   3324KBps
Linear Density                                                 Blank Disc
Track Density                                                     Unknown
Number of Layers                                                        1
                                                                         
                           Complete Media Code                          
00000000 01 02 00 00 E1 0F 32 10 00 03 00 00 00 FC FF FF ......2.........
00000010 00 22 D7 FF 00 00 00 52 49 43 4F 48 4A 50 4E 44 .".....RICOHJPND
00000020 30 30 01 40 25 25 37 11 00 34 64 00 34 64 20 21 00.@%%7..4d.4d !
00000030 0C 0D 12 12 02 01 01 10 00 20 21 0C 0D 12 12 02 ......... !.....

[bigbubba7373]

I have made 6 backups of my games so far with plao dvd+r dl  and not one coaster.i like them

pc p4 1 gig ram
dvd burner nec 2510a firmware 2.18
playo dvd+r dl disks
burning program imageburn
via 6421 sata card

xbox 360 samsung x32 firmware

[bigbubba7373]

what do you mean by post some qulity scans i will if i can

[xboxexpert]

I've used these in the 360 and I must say in hitachi's it sounds like the laser is really trying to read that disc.

[easyguy]

can someone explain how the verbatim rebate thing works?
it's only for US customers right?

[jesterrace777]

QUOTE(KUNFUCHOPSTICKS @ Aug 29 2006, 06:49 PM)

if they are RICOHJPN D00 then they are top of the line, right up there with verbs.
but DAMN! thats cheap!

but over all Dl price are going down.... newegg's $30 for 20 is there to stay..!

Uh, you need to read my post a little more carefully.  THESE HAVE BEEN CONFIRMED TO BE FAKES!!!!  If you take a look at the spindle they say made in China.  Ricoh coded media are all made in Taiwan.  Apparently that Ricoh media code is the TYG02 and MCC code of the D/L media world (in otherwords it is the most faked D/L media ID that is currently out there).  No way in hell would I pay over $1 a disc for fakes, regardless of the results.

[bigbubba7373]

I see your point jesterrace777 and thanks for the info but it comes down to what works best for me and the playo work better than the verbatims i have used.and i think they are a great disk for the 360 as long as you have a samsung drive,if you have an lg drive well then i dont know if these work.

[jesterrace777]

Well, I won't argue with you on that one although I find it very odd that the Verbatims don't work yet these ones do.  Which burner and firmware revision do you have?

[bigbubba7373]

i have a 111d with the newest firmware also i did not say the verbs did not work at all.just that my backups just seem to run better smoother on the playo disks i also i have an nec 2510a and it works good to with the playo disks

[Textbook]

Hmm...mixed results, and not knowing if it's the medias fault or my image ...

I have a Lite-On SOHW-1633PS5

I burned a game, tested in my Samsung and it worked fine.  Had my friend test in his Hitachi v2.1 without the media patch and it works.  So I thought I had found a good deal.

Yesterday, I backed up and burned Madden.  I booted once, got the starting screen...loading...press start.  I pressed start and it locked up.  I tried again, same thing.  Tried again and this time it wouldn't even get past the dash (dirty disk error).  I reburned the same exact image on a new disc and it's working fine.  Image was good, disc was bad.  There's one coaster because of this crappy media.

Today...backed up Forza Motorsport (Xbox 1).  I'm pretty sure image is good, because all data files are showing up in wx360.  I tried burning and it got 100% and says failed    (I guess on the lead out?)  I put it in the 360 and it plays the Xbox 1 video telling me to put the disc in an Xbox.  Taking a cue from yesterday's weird coaster fiasco, I burned again, same result, failed at the end.  So that's 2 coasters for today using this stuff.

Overall...3 coasters out of the last 5 burns.  I can't be 100% sure my Forza image is ok, but it should still burn, right?  The 2 that weren't coasters work fine though.

I think I'll try one more time with Forza using IMGBurn instead.  I'll report back.  I hope you guys can finally appreciate a more informative post, hope this can help you in your media buying decision.

[jesterrace777]

So this is with the Playo media then?

[Textbook]

Yes.  But I think my Forza image is messed up.  Damn reverse layer recording or whatever they call it.  My layer 0 was smaller than my layer 1.  I'm sure you know what that means, but others might not.  Basically, on a DL disc, it writes layer 0 from inside ring to outer area of disc, then it writes layer 1 from outside back in towards the center.  Now imagine if layer1 is bigger than layer 0.  You're going "in" on the disc more than you can.  Like overburning, but backwards.  Not good.  Wish CloneCD would have given me a warning, it didn't.  IMGBurn did.  So that is most likely the reason for my Forza coasters, but the Madden thing is 100% Playo's fault.

I'm sure you will correct me if I'm wrong.

[jesterrace777]

Nah, the burn software could easily be the issue here.