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Exobex

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« Reply #30 on: December 20, 2007, 01:57:00 PM »

QUOTE(alsybub @ Dec 20 2007, 04:41 PM) *

For the record I have a Panasonic PH 10 series 42" plasma with VGA, HDMI and DVI and I can definitely tell the difference between 720p and 1080p. I cannot tell the difference between a movie in 1080p over HDMI on PS3 and a movie in 1080p over VGA on my 360. Just so you know, I am obsessed with picture quality and video calibration and I would definitely see a difference.


I'd expect you to have better results running in VGA at 1024x768, seeing as that's the native resolution of your plasma panel (specs are here).  Anything else is being rescaled up or down by the panel.
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« Reply #31 on: December 20, 2007, 02:42:00 PM »

QUOTE(Exobex @ Dec 20 2007, 09:57 PM) *

I'd expect you to have better results running in VGA at 1024x768, seeing as that's the native resolution of your plasma panel (specs are here).  Anything else is being rescaled up or down by the panel.


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Since 720p and 1080p are higuer than your native resolution, it means that using a source higher than 720p is worthless, so you are right, you can tell the difference between 720p and 1080p in your TV. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
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« Reply #32 on: February 02, 2020, 06:44:00 PM »

QUOTE(SaTaN2k @ Dec 20 2007, 03:19 AM) *

I have a 24" Dell LCD Monitor (2405FPS) currently connected to the xbox. It can do 1920 x 1200, but with the xbox the best I can get is 1080i. I know if I get a VGA cable I can probably go higher, but I have to mess with colours and what not. Will this cable make me do the same??


I have the 24" Dell 2407 LCD.  At first I had it connected via component (max resolution supported was 1080i or 720p).  I then upgraded to the VGA cable (running at 1920 x 1080 @ 60 Hz).  The picture was much sharper, but colors were extreamly dull.  That is untill the last spring update (when expaned color reference was added).  Now the picture is amazingly shape and bright.

btw - I sit about 3 feet from my 24" screen while gamming and would have to be blind to not see the difference between 720 and 1080 resolutions through VGA (screen's native resolution is 1920 x 1200 - have thin black bars on top and bottom of screen while in 1:1 aspect ratio at 1080)
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« Reply #33 on: February 02, 2020, 11:39:00 PM »

QUOTE(bill16504 @ Dec 20 2007, 10:08 AM) *



I don't use my 360 for movies, but I can say there is a big difference between VGA set at 1920x1080 vs. the HDMI set at 1080p on my Samsung FP-T5084 50" plasma. The HDMI is alot better. You can notice it right away, just looking at the Dashboard.

And for $90 plus shipping, I'd first sell my 360 and get a new one.

Dude, 1920x1080 @60hz is 1080p.

On topic - I suppose this would be good only for those who really want a 1080p picture, can't get 1080p through vga/component, and have a non-hdmi 360.  Even then it's still kind of overpriced...
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« Reply #34 on: December 21, 2007, 05:10:00 AM »

why isnt microsoft making these and giving it away to customers who brought the older model in the past year.. shops being what they are selling the older model even now if they can get away with it...

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« Reply #35 on: February 03, 2020, 11:24:00 AM »

QUOTE(englishnamja @ Dec 21 2007, 12:10 PM) *

why isnt microsoft making these and giving it away to customers who brought the older model in the past year.. shops being what they are selling the older model even now if they can get away with it...


What are you on about? Ms dont even think that hdmi is even necessary, they added it due it popular demand. This whole thing is a load of crap. Any conversion of video is going to reduce the quality and it sure as hell wont improve it. Just stick with a vga cable its still going to be the best you will need. Dont wase your money.
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« Reply #36 on: December 26, 2007, 08:25:00 AM »

QUOTE(eduardor2k @ Dec 20 2007, 09:42 PM) View Post


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Since 720p and 1080p are higuer than your native resolution, it means that using a source higher than 720p is worthless, so you are right, you can tell the difference between 720p and 1080p in your TV. rolleyes.gif
 


Actually. you also need to take into account the distance at which you sit away from your screen. An image at 1024x768 on a 1024x768 screen may not necassarily look as good as an image in a higher resolution that has then been downscaled. We're all told that perfect pixel mapping with the correct resolution is the way to go but I know from plenty of experience that when you have a more than capable screen with a good scaler built in that when you sit a normal distance from the screen with a higher resolution downscaled it does in fact look better to the naked eye. Yes, it may be an illusion but that illusion means that to the the eye there is a much better image there. I notice this the most on PS3. I can see so much more detail in 1080 than 720 and according to theory it should look the best in 720 because that's closer to native BUT when I am sat in front of my screen in my lounge that simply is NOT the case.

The only thing that looks best at the native resolution is my PC because of the size of text. That's it.

If I pressed my face up to the screen then I would see a difference but as soon as you are sitting more than 9 feet away it looks superb over the native resolution. You can give me all sorts of theories, articles and definitions but nothing beats seeing it for yourself.

A couple of years ago I would have said the same as you but after actually tweaking with different software, expensive cables & expensive scalers in a real world situation my conclusion is that displaying the correct resolution is only the best solution when sitting at an un-naturally close viewing distance. At the end of the day our eyes are not digital.

Also, pc monitors don't count in this because you do naturally sit close them and so in that situation the best resolution is native. I know I lot of people everywhere will completely disagree and tell me I'm stupid but I've managed to prove it to plenty of non-believers who know a lot about this stuff by just showing them.

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As for VGA not looking better than HDMI. You will notice that earlier in my previous post I mentioned about screens not displaying the signal so well. So, it's not down to it being a worse signal but that the screen just doesn't handle it properly and so indeed one will look better than the other.
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« Reply #37 on: December 26, 2007, 08:51:00 AM »

In addition to my above post, take a look here:
http://www.avforums....ad.php?t=312431

These things are not as black and white as you think
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