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[profspudhed]

maybe its because we in the uk are used to being riped off royal, but i dont think its too bad a price, if my maths is ok it should work out to around 45 quid, which isnt horrific considering a plain official av cable costs 20 to 25 quid, ill have one anyway as the component on my tv dont support 1080p and the vga dont fill the whole screen so its hdmi only (damm sony tvs!)

[boxxa]

correct me if im wrong but isnt this not true hdmi since is going from analog>digital and not pure digital to digital?

[beasty54]

This device needs to make the 360 think a VGA cable is connected or HD-DVDs will only be output at 1080i rather than 1080p and DVDs wont be upscaled at all.
For those talking about HDCP and digital outputs its not going to happen due to the fact that no matter what adapters are made, the non HDMI 360s only output an analogue signal and as far as i'm aware nothing can change that.

[boxxa]

QUOTE(beasty54 @ Dec 20 2007, 09:14 AM)

This device needs to make the 360 think a VGA cable is connected or HD-DVDs will only be output at 1080i rather than 1080p and DVDs wont be upscaled at all.
For those talking about HDCP and digital outputs its not going to happen due to the fact that no matter what adapters are made, the non HDMI 360s only output an analogue signal and as far as i'm aware nothing can change that.

That is what my thinking is. This is a cool idea to add HDMI cable support but you are losing the "true" HDMI purpose since the port in the 360 is analog and the HDMI is digital. The only way to get true HDMI is putting a digital port in the back of the 360.

[pingrr]

At 90 bucks this is a rip off.

[alsybub]

As far as HDCP is concerned there is nothing to worry about. It isn't outputting a digital signal from the 360 and so there will be no HDCP. There is no way that this is obtaining a digital signal from the 360 as the scaler cannot output  it.

I would assume - and hope - that this is using the VGA signal and then converting that to an HDMI digital signal. I have seen articles where they directly compare the output from Component, VGA, HDMI and directly from the frame buffer of a devkit and between VGA and HDMI there is absolutely no discernable difference. The only difference is that with HDMI the screen is decoding the signal rather than it being done by the 360 itself.

Essentially HDMI is a way of standardising HD resolutions and implementing anti-copy measures. The only real bonus for consumers is that it will carry a digital audio signal as well.

If using VGA then there are no HD restrictions and so it will upscale DVD to 1080p and there will never be a problem if HDCP is enabled on HDDVD.

For the record I have a Panasonic PH 10 series 42" plasma with VGA, HDMI and DVI and I can definitely tell the difference between 720p and 1080p. I cannot tell the difference between a movie in 1080p over HDMI on PS3 and a movie in 1080p over VGA on my 360. Just so you know, I am obsessed with picture quality and video calibration and I would definitely see a difference.

So, unless you don't have VGA on your screen and you only have HDMI, this product is utterly pointless. If you specifically want HDMI - although VGA is just as good, unless your screen doesn't do a good job of displaying it - then you need to get a 360 with HDMI as this is just converting VGA to HDMI and that fact is that every time a signal is converted it degrades and so the image could look worse than just using a VGA lead.

This post has been edited by alsybub: Dec 20 2007, 05:51 PM

[bill16504]

QUOTE(alsybub @ Dec 20 2007, 05:41 PM)

For the record I have a Panasonic PH 10 series 42" plasma with VGA, HDMI and DVI and I can definitely tell the difference between 720p and 1080p. I cannot tell the difference between a movie in 1080p over HDMI on PS3 and a movie in 1080p over VGA on my 360. Just so you know, I am obsessed with picture quality and video calibration and I would definitely see a difference.

I don't use my 360 for movies, but I can say there is a big difference between VGA set at 1920x1080 vs. the HDMI set at 1080p on my Samsung FP-T5084 50" plasma. The HDMI is alot better. You can notice it right away, just looking at the Dashboard.

And for $90 plus shipping, I'd first sell my 360 and get a new one.

This post has been edited by bill16504: Dec 20 2007, 06:21 PM

[Devedander]

QUOTE(xxYoDaddyXX @ Dec 20 2007, 08:32 AM)

To someone who knows more about a/v stuff, what advantage (if any) does this give you over using the VGA AV cable on an older 360?

This allows you to use an HDMI cable which may be smaller than your VGA cable and may allow you to connect to components that don't have VGA input.  It should even be possible to convert this to DVI to plug into monitors that have DVI in but no VGA or component.

This would be a very small percentage of the population at this point in time.

[Tiuk]

I just don't see the purpose here. If it's converting from analog to digital, I *guess* the only thing this is good for is if you're out of analog inputs on your set. I'd rather just wait until my 360 dies, or the Arcade comes down in price so much that it's comparable to this.

Actually, thinking about it, if you sold your old non-HDMI 360, bought an Arcade, and sold the wireless controller and whatever else it comes with, you probably wouldn't be too far behind. In fact, the difference would probably be less than the $90 that this costs.

This post has been edited by Tiuk: Dec 20 2007, 06:20 PM

[SpIdErXeN]

I've got a 32 inch Samsung LNT3253H, 1080i is the max resolution I can get on the tv.  I also have an older 360 (no hdmi port, only component output).  I was looking at the XCM 1080i component to digital conversion cable, I actually have more faith in that, than I do in the madkatz cable.  

My question is...when I play halo 3 with the xbox 360 dash software set to output 1080i, (using the component cable) Halo3 still looks kind of grainy.  If I had one of these cables, would it fix that?  I'm thinking that since I don't have the hdmi elite 360, these cables would still give me the same picture as the component cable i'm using now.  Help me out guys, I'm on the verge of getting a cable hoping that it'll make the picture better.

[bill16504]

QUOTE(Tiuk @ Dec 20 2007, 06:18 PM)

Actually, thinking about it, if you sold your old non-HDMI 360, bought an Arcade, and sold the wireless controller and whatever else it comes with, you probably wouldn't be too far behind. In fact, the difference would probably be less than the $90 that this costs.

E X A C T L Y... those guys are nuts to think transfering an analog to digital signal is worth $90 plus shipping. You'd be better off selling the old 360 and getting a new one. Heck, you can even look for the 175w 360 while you're at it. It's easy to pick up a Falcon 360 now.

[steveju]

QUOTE(Devedander @ Dec 20 2007, 05:18 PM)

It should even be possible to convert this to DVI to plug into monitors that have DVI in but no VGA or component.

HDMI can be converted to DVI-D, but on the older Xbox 360s VGA can be easily converted to DVI-A (or DVI-I, which is D and A). That kind of conversion is only useful if your monitor is DVI-D only.

[88 Ecko Unltd 88]

At $90 this is not worth gettin , ill be better off waiting to get another RROD and send it in, and hope they send me back a falcon with hdmi  

[apexad]

I'm thinking this will change the component signal, not the VGA signal.  I say this because Component displays nice titles like:

480p
720p
1080i
1080p

versus resolutions for VGA.  If this device supports 1080i, which it claims that it does, how would that work over VGA?

[BoNg420]

hmm 1/3 the price of a arcade pack.

sell your old system and buy an arcade with HDMI out, seems like a better option.