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[EvilBoris]

The 360 will only let you choose resolutions if you have a VGA cable, the 360 cannot output 1600x1200, so it is most likely a fault/feature of your projector.

The 360 will ONLY give you 480p/720p/1080i/1080p, if the tv doesn't display an image when you choose a certain selection, then again. It is the display, not the 360.
Putting a Vga adapter on the end will just give you the same options.

[slavezero]

  Alright but how does that explain the fact that from my cable box that same projector gets 1080i? the screen comes up and says in the corner my projector is in 1920x1080 resolution? but with the xbox my projector says its in 1600x1200 resolution? this is the reason i thought there was something wrong with my xbox.

[dalime]

I'm pretty sure that when using the VGA cable and setting your resolution at 1920x1080, the 360 is outputting at 1080p.
Your projector may not be able to accept or display that signal and is down converting it.
Your cable box is most likely outputting at 1080i which your projector will accept.

[GSX]

Whats the brand and model of the projector? I also have a feeling it can't do 1080p.

[mlmadmax]

Your projectors native resolution is 1024 x 768 and you want to set your 360 to as close to that resolution as possible.

When you set the output of your 360 to anything other than what the native resolution of your projector is your projector scales the image to it's parameters.

Also the scaler update for the 360 is not stupid it is a great feature.

[twistedsymphony]

QUOTE(slavezero @ Jan 8 2007, 08:40 AM)

Yeah i know about scaling, and my projector looks as good as any high def plasma television on 1080i i can put money on it, that and i have a 100 inch screen. And no i do not want to have my xbox anywhere near 1024x768 lol are you crazy? and yes its nice that the software update allows 1080p, but your telling me u dont find it stupid that it eliminates 1080i on vga? screw everyone who has 1080i? yeah thats bright.

I believe you are the one who is crazy here... no I'm serious


1. VGA does not support 1080i, it never has and it probably never will, VGA in it's modern day form is progressive scan ONLY...  when you set the output to 1920x1080 it's progressive scan, your projector can't handle what is essentially a 1080p image... no fault of the 360, you're expecting it to do something that no product on earth can do. If you genuinely want to output 1080i... then use component cables, VGA can't do it... on any system.

2. I don't care how big your screen is or what you think might be better... the fact of the matter is you ALWAYS want to run your devices at a resolution that most closely matches the native resolution of your display. I also run a projector with a native resolution similar to yours, and I have large screen as well (click the link in the sig to see). Your absolute highest quality image would be produced if you set your Xbox 360 to output in 1024x768. Any professional screen tuner worth the shirt on their back would tell you the same. I can understand not wanting to run a 4:3 resolution because some games act funny at that res... in that case I'd recommend running at 1280x720 through VGA or alternatively 720p though Component cables. If for no other reason that your projector wont have to de-interlace anything which adds artifacts and video lag, nor will it have to modify the image much to squeeze it down into the 1024x768 resolution you're actually seeing projected on the screen. If that wasn't bad enough you're artificially cutting your refresh rate in half, and making your Xbox 360 work harder then it has to buy rendering some games at 1080p when your projector will simply throw out most of those pixels before the image is actually displayed.

Lets run down what's actually happening in your setup when you try to run 1080i on 1024x768 projector: you start off by forcing your console to run hotter, and risk additional laggy gameplay due to more intensive graphics processing, some games that don't support 1080 resolutions are artificially scaled up as well which adds artifacts and a slight blur to the image. Then it chops off your refresh rate at 30FPS and throws out every other line of pixels in the graphics while it interlaces the image. which gets output over component (because VGA doesn't support 1080i) When you projector gets the signal it then has to guess what those thrown out lines used to be adding errors in the process, it duplicates every frame so it can output at 60FPS like it was meant to do, then it shrinks to that resulting image to less then 30% of it's original size (seriously, it's 28% and change, run the calcs yourself) throwing out most of the image data so it can fit through it's output resolution of 1024x768 (which ends up being more like 1024x576 in widescreen, probably even less when you factor in keystoning), all while adding additional lag to the video since this process is so intensive...

None of this has to happen, but you've set your system up intentionally to do this... and arguing with people here who are telling you it's a bad idea.

3. I highly doubt your projector looks as good as native 1080 based plasmas... in terms of picture quality the top 4 requirements for a good picture are contrast ratio, color accuracy, color depth, and resolution... Plasmas walk all over any projection based system in the first 3, and the 4 one you loose by default because your projector simply wasn't built for 1080 resolutions... any idea to the contrary is pure delusion.

[Obveron]

When the 360 outputs 1080p over VGA I believe its 1080p30.  Meaning 30 progressive frames per second.
Many high end CRT monitors that can support 1080 lines or more do not like the 30hz refresh rate.
I'm not sure if your projector is a crt projector but it may not like the refresh rate of the 360's 1080p30.

Take everyones advice, if your projector can handle 720p or close to 720p, run at that resolution.  Then you are getting full 60fps.  Most 360 games run native at 720p or lower, so upscaling to 1080i you will lose quality and refresh rate.

Don't buy into the 1080p hype.

[slavezero]

 I agree about the 1080p hype, and i notice some games like lotr battle for middle earth 2 looks better when my projector is in 1600x1200 than it does when im at the 720p mode, i can see alot more on the screen when its at 1600x1200 and i really dont notice any picture quality difference at all. But I dont understand if vga cannot get 1080i only 1080p......than how am i getting 1080i out of my  HD Dvr cable box when im still  using a vga cable? should I not be able to get 1080i? This was my main question. Im sure i'll stay at what i have but im just kinda curious and it annoyed me that i couldnt get that on my 360.

[EvilBoris]

The VGA cable was intended for use with PC monitors, and thus supports VGA standards.
I can't explain why your projector accepts a 1080i signal over VGA, it must just be an unusual quirk.

Now you projector is a 1024x768 native , meaning that anything you put into that set is being displayed at that resolution. It might accept higher resolutions, but again I stress you aren't gaining any image quality. If you want the sharpest possible image I suggest you listen to what we have told you and set your 360 at 1024x768.
Also make sure that you are setting the aspect ratio on the 360 to match the setup of your projector.

If you disbelieve what we have kindly advise you then don't listen and go and run your 360 at whatever resolution you think looks best, because at the end of the day that is all that matters.

[slavezero]

  This is true, I just wish you could see and believe the reasons im telling you. If u saw the 1024x768 mode compared to the higher ones on my projector than you would know what im talking about....the higher res modes only get better not worse by any one who looks at it is all I can tell you. If that wasnt true than I couldnt be watching 720p or 1080i crystal clear images. As for my maine reasoning for being here the only thing I can think that would change anything would be one of those vga to component adapter, so as to plug the rgb into the adpater attached on the back of a projector, maybe the 360 would give me the 1080i option over teh 1920x1080 option which i guess is progressive scan, becase my cable box which is a rgb or component on one end and vga on the other end, that seems to be giving me the interlaced 1080. But who knows. Anyways I appreciate the responses, thank you.

[twistedsymphony]

QUOTE(slavezero @ Jan 8 2007, 10:52 AM)

Alright for starters i never said it looked better than plasmas i said AS GOOD, you know how I know this? becase i look at the instore high def plasma tv setups ALL THE TIME. I look at them and say "wow, that really doesnt look any better than my projecter".

That's probably because the image signals used by stores is utter crap... I wouldn't judge a display that some schmuck making minimum wage propped up under some florescent lights, being fed an image of the incorrect resolution that's been split about 150 times. I'd recommend visiting a few trade shows where the people who know about the product will stand behind the image being display, or a professionally tuned home theater.

QUOTE(slavezero @ Jan 8 2007, 10:52 AM)

 That and my screen is 3 time bigger and costs 1/3 the price of these plasmas.

price has absolutely nothing to do with image quality... and added screen size requires a higher native resolution to look appropriate.

QUOTE(slavezero @ Jan 8 2007, 10:52 AM)

 And as for your rediculous claim that the projecter is not really built for 1080i use....this also is bogus. For starters is says right on the specs it does 1080i, and when im on 1920x1080i res with movies it looks INCREDIBLE like im looking through a window on the wall.

Just because it "supports" 1080i doesn't mean the image on the wall is being displayed in 1080i...

This is my whole point READ CAREFULLY:

Your projector is accepting a 1080i image... then it plays around with it.. and modifies the image until it can fit inside a 1024x768 frame... then  it is output onto your screen (if you're using your wall I'm really sad for you) in 1024x768... this is a simple fact of life... if that's what your projectors native resolution is... then that's all you're ever going to see.

QUOTE(slavezero @ Jan 8 2007, 10:52 AM)

I suggest you actually look at some of these projectors before u spit this stuff out. Scaling has taken leaps and bounds in tech lately and is incredible.

I've used more projectors then you've had hot dinners.

If you even bothered to read all of my previous post you'd realize I myself own a DLP projector... I actually own a couple of them... I've previously owned about 5 or 6 other projectors from CRTs to LCDs and DLPs. I've been researching a new one for about 3 months now and as a result I've been to 2 trade shows and visited about 12 professionally tuned home theater setups... I know my projectors and I have no delusions about the quality they're capable of producing when compared to other display technologies... DLP is very good, but in terms of color it simply doesn't stack up to plasma. your particular projector ranks worse in terms of contrast ratio as well as resolution when compared to a modern 1080p plasma.

How many different model projectors have you yourself actually seen in action?

QUOTE(slavezero @ Jan 8 2007, 10:52 AM)

Now say what u will with the i really challenge u to look at a 1080 res plasma and compare it to a good projector in high def and tell me there anything even close to a night and day difference, then put into factor the size of the screen and price difference.

I'm not talking about HD projectors... I'm talking about YOUR projector... which ironically is not capable of producing images in HD resolutions.

QUOTE(slavezero @ Jan 8 2007, 10:52 AM)

And this crap about playing the 360 in 1024x768 is so insance, it looks like crap compared to playing it in the higher res and NO i do not get the slightest choppy frame rates or have ANY heating problems whatsoever cause ive played in all the res modes. And in fact in lcd and plasma tvs ive noticed the graphic edes look less smooth, u seem to notice the anti-aliasing alot more than u do with the projector, and no its not blurry its plenty sharp.

The reason other TVs show aliasing is because that's what the real image looks like, your projector has thrown out so much of the image data you can't see what few jaggies the REAL image actually has... alone the fact that you can't see those details on your projected image should be proof enough that you're trashing  the image that the Xbox 360 is producing.

QUOTE(slavezero @ Jan 8 2007, 10:52 AM)

And this all could have been cleared up alot earlier before if some one could have told me you cannot get any interlaced only progress scan signal with vga, simple as that.

It could have been cleared up even sooner if you read the stickies or did some simple Google searching instead of making this thread.

QUOTE(slavezero @ Jan 8 2007, 10:52 AM)

And not plasmas do not walk all over projectors, projectors these days are amazing, the dlp technology these days are great. I suggest u look at some and compare before u make facts that arnt facts, I to thought the projection wouldnt really look nearly as good as a plasma but i was pleasantly surprised. And no im not delusional.

I'll repeat my previous comments on this just in case you missed it the first time:
1. I'm not talking about HD projectors... I'm talking about YOUR projector...
2. I've probably already demoed more projectors then you'll see over the course of your life.

[GSX]

Damn, I missed out on the A/V argument...I love those Let me just add this.

You have no idea what you're taking about. A 1024x768 projection at 100" will give a rather bad screen door effect. I have a higher res projector, on a 96" screen and I still see it. I guess your XGA is magical.

Edit: I'll have to take some of that back, as the viewsonic is DLP. Tho there is still no way, it will look as good as plasma. Sorry, I just can't agree.

And yes, there are excellent projectors. This is one.
http://www.secondact...CFSAzUAodMDua1w

[Foe-hammer]

QUOTE(twistedsymphony @ Jan 8 2007, 01:49 PM)

That's probably because the image signals used by stores is utter crap... I wouldn't judge a display that some schmuck making minimum wage propped up under some florescent lights, being fed an image of the incorrect resolution that's been split about 150 times. I'd recommend visiting a few trade shows where the people who know about the product will stand behind the image being display, or a professionally tuned home theater.

price has absolutely nothing to do with image quality... and added screen size requires a higher native resolution to look appropriate.

Just because it "supports" 1080i doesn't mean the image on the wall is being displayed in 1080i...

This is my whole point READ CAREFULLY:

Your projector is accepting a 1080i image... then it plays around with it.. and modifies the image until it can fit inside a 1024x768 frame... then  it is output onto your screen (if you're using your wall I'm really sad for you) in 1024x768... this is a simple fact of life... if that's what your projectors native resolution is... then that's all you're ever going to see.

I've used more projectors then you've had hot dinners.

If you even bothered to read all of my previous post you'd realize I myself own a DLP projector... I actually own a couple of them... I've previously owned about 5 or 6 other projectors from CRTs to LCDs and DLPs. I've been researching a new one for about 3 months now and as a result I've been to 2 trade shows and visited about 12 professionally tuned home theater setups... I know my projectors and I have no delusions about the quality they're capable of producing when compared to other display technologies... DLP is very good, but in terms of color it simply doesn't stack up to plasma. your particular projector ranks worse in terms of contrast ratio as well as resolution when compared to a modern 1080p plasma.

How many different model projectors have you yourself actually seen in action?

I'm not talking about HD projectors... I'm talking about YOUR projector... which ironically is not capable of producing images in HD resolutions.

The reason other TVs show aliasing is because that's what the real image looks like, your projector has thrown out so much of the image data you can't see what few jaggies the REAL image actually has... alone the fact that you can't see those details on your projected image should be proof enough that you're trashing  the image that the Xbox 360 is producing.

It could have been cleared up even sooner if you read the stickies or did some simple Google searching instead of making this thread.

I'll repeat my previous comments on this just in case you missed it the first time:
1. I'm not talking about HD projectors... I'm talking about YOUR projector...
2. I've probably already demoed more projectors then you'll see over the course of your life.

SLAMMED!

[twistedsymphony]

QUOTE(slavezero @ Jan 8 2007, 11:32 PM)

Hey buddy, get 10 people....show them the hd on your plasma or whatever you think is better...and i'll take the same 10 people to my house and how them the hd on my 100 inch screen and not its not the wall bud, not that its gonna make the res any different ( yeah that makes sense). I can assure you 9 out of the 10 people will say "I want the projector setup!" hands down, I know this for a fact. And I COMPARE it every day because ive worked retail electronics my whole life and ive set up and seen every day plasma and lcds, there is no big difference unless you compare them side by side and even then its not a night and day thing you seem to think they are. And im talking about my projector, now you say projectors in general arent even as good as the plasmas? get a REALLY good projector and set it up with the new laminate covered screens.....they blow plasmas out of the park, and that my friedn is night and day. And the fact that you start insulting a person making min wage setting up a high def ( which isnt a complicated issue if you have everything) shows your an ingorant fool, all the while puffing yourself up. Thats always the recipe for an ignorant arrogant self centered sob. Oh and ive had alot of hot dinners im sure you like yours served cold.

My god... you just don't get it do you?

You're obviously reading something completely different then what I'm typing

I feel like I suggest that the sky is blue and you return with "my grass is greener!"

I am proud of my knowledge and yes arrogant in that regard but ignorant I am not. I don't make claims unless I have some facts or experience to back them up, and I'll well admit when I'm wrong but I do my homework in an attempt to minimize that as much as possible. I'm only here trying to help you see the errors in your ways, and trying to help you get a better picture quality out of the projector you already own. If you can't see that, I have better things to spend my time on.

Think about the lack of knowledge your original inquiry represents... re-read the points I and other's have made, as you obviously didn't get it the first read through.

I'd consider continuing this conversation if you can demonstrate improved reading comprehension and an open mind.

[wonka187]

QUOTE(twistedsymphony @ Jan 8 2007, 09:49 PM)

That's probably because the image signals used by stores is utter crap... I wouldn't judge a display that some schmuck making minimum wage propped up under some florescent lights, being fed an image of the incorrect resolution that's been split about 150 times. I'd recommend visiting a few trade shows where the people who know about the product will stand behind the image being display, or a professionally tuned home theater.

price has absolutely nothing to do with image quality... and added screen size requires a higher native resolution to look appropriate.

Just because it "supports" 1080i doesn't mean the image on the wall is being displayed in 1080i...

This is my whole point READ CAREFULLY:

Your projector is accepting a 1080i image... then it plays around with it.. and modifies the image until it can fit inside a 1024x768 frame... then  it is output onto your screen (if you're using your wall I'm really sad for you) in 1024x768... this is a simple fact of life... if that's what your projectors native resolution is... then that's all you're ever going to see.

I've used more projectors then you've had hot dinners.

If you even bothered to read all of my previous post you'd realize I myself own a DLP projector... I actually own a couple of them... I've previously owned about 5 or 6 other projectors from CRTs to LCDs and DLPs. I've been researching a new one for about 3 months now and as a result I've been to 2 trade shows and visited about 12 professionally tuned home theater setups... I know my projectors and I have no delusions about the quality they're capable of producing when compared to other display technologies... DLP is very good, but in terms of color it simply doesn't stack up to plasma. your particular projector ranks worse in terms of contrast ratio as well as resolution when compared to a modern 1080p plasma.

How many different model projectors have you yourself actually seen in action?

I'm not talking about HD projectors... I'm talking about YOUR projector... which ironically is not capable of producing images in HD resolutions.

The reason other TVs show aliasing is because that's what the real image looks like, your projector has thrown out so much of the image data you can't see what few jaggies the REAL image actually has... alone the fact that you can't see those details on your projected image should be proof enough that you're trashing  the image that the Xbox 360 is producing.

It could have been cleared up even sooner if you read the stickies or did some simple Google searching instead of making this thread.

I'll repeat my previous comments on this just in case you missed it the first time:
1. I'm not talking about HD projectors... I'm talking about YOUR projector...
2. I've probably already demoed more projectors then you'll see over the course of your life.

Holy shit - BURNED...LOL

Thanks twisted...you're the man. heh. I used to have a crappy 1024 x 768 projector, then I got a 37" HDTV LCD, and I can say this...the LCD blows the old projector out of the water. I miss the larger screen somewhat - but I can play on my LCD in a lit room during the day and it's still enjoyable, unlike the old projector. If you think your old projector is better then the large LCDs and Plasmas, you're friggin nuts. Also, my sister is an optometrist if you want to get your vision checked - like the previous poster said, I think you need to.