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« Reply #30 on: September 28, 2006, 10:45:00 AM »

Now correct me if I am wrong but how hard would it have been to add HDMI port to the 360 at the get go?  I don't think it would alter the final cost of the 360 that much and it would have made things a lot easier.  Maybe they considered this but did not look at the big picture and consider things down the road.  But maybe when things get "worked out" and HDMI is the standard, the Xbox 720 will be out.
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« Reply #31 on: September 28, 2006, 10:57:00 AM »

QUOTE(47_M450N_47 @ Sep 28 2006, 01:45 PM) View Post

All this HDTV talk...I just wish I could afford one of those mofos.  I've never even seen what a 360 looks like on anything other than my 19" TV w/ RF adapter.


well im just getting round to getting my hands on one.

but i still wont have 1080p, infact ill be stuck at 720p. So itl be crap and old as soon as i get it dry.gif

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« Reply #32 on: September 28, 2006, 11:36:00 AM »

The 1080p Generation doesn't start Until SED TVs come out I say!

The value of 1080p in todays market is next to none, and will cause more harm than good for gaming (sacrificing FPS and performance).  It would be hilarious of this was the first generation of Console games where you could set the resolution in the games to toggle up to 1080p smile.gif.
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« Reply #33 on: September 28, 2006, 01:05:00 PM »

QUOTE(cliffy88 @ Sep 28 2006, 03:18 AM) View Post

http://www.bestbuy.c...d=1138084694260

Used to be 1599.99, great great price. I own this monitor, and I love it! You can't go wrong doubling this as a computer monitor/xbox 360 tv! The black levels could be better, but I honestly can't complain because of the price and size! All in all I can't say enough about how much I like this monitor. Setting a few feet from one of the bad boys...it just puts a smile on my face!


I got that tv for 100 dollars yes dead serious and well im not tellin u how sorry but i love the site thats gonan destroy ebay for this and yeah i bought that tv for 100 dollars o a sitel ike ebay but will crush ebay lets just say !!!!!!
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« Reply #34 on: September 28, 2006, 01:45:00 PM »

Keywords "i'm not tellin u how sorry" - it was probably either stolen, killed for, or traded for cocaine lol.  Why else would anybody sell somethin for that cheap.  My buddies used to steal expensive TVs all the time and pawn em off for like 1/2 what they were worth.
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« Reply #35 on: September 28, 2006, 05:02:00 PM »

QUOTE(gsharpshooter @ Sep 28 2006, 11:12 AM) View Post

I got that tv for 100 dollars yes dead serious and well im not tellin u how sorry but i love the site thats gonan destroy ebay for this and yeah i bought that tv for 100 dollars o a sitel ike ebay but will crush ebay lets just say !!!!!!

AHAHAHAHA!  And you have how many posts?  Are they all like this?  Did you trade drugs for the television?
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« Reply #36 on: September 28, 2006, 07:14:00 PM »

QUOTE(FUCKMICROSOFT @ Sep 29 2006, 12:45 AM) View Post

dude, if you are microsoft or sony or any company that wants to use the HDMI standard, you must pay ALOT of royalties to carry the HDMI symbol and conncetor.  Just like the Compact disc  and DVD. This shit ain't opensource.  i don't know the exact numbers but if i recall microsoft would probably have to give a $ percentage of every sold console with HDMI.   wink.gif

The royalty fee is $15 per device.
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« Reply #37 on: September 28, 2006, 09:39:00 PM »

Microsoft just got back to us to clarify the Xbox 360's ability to transmit a digital signal. In short, it can, which means that Microsoft could conceivably release an HDMI cable for the Xbox 360. This is good news, and relieves a great deal of our concern over the Xbox 360's ability to effectively work with 1080p. Microsoft's full response is marked in the Q & A portion of this feature.

With this new information in mind, consider us relatively mollified. A future HDMI cable for the 360 will resolve the problems we outline in our discussion of 1080p compatibility. Let's hope Microsoft decides the market demands it sooner rather than later.


Microsoft Xbox 360 currently doesn't include a digital out connection for video. Our platform is flexible enough to allow support of a digital connection in the future should we choose to do so. When the Xbox 360 was being developed HDMI was nascent and with our current connections we support what the overwhelming majority of consumers have available to them. It's important to note that the market penetration of 1080p displays is in the single digits. Regardless, for those early adopters who have displays and projectors that support 1080p over VGA and component we have a solution and it is a free upgrade for them. We are watching the market closely and will continue to evaluate our solution in the face of consumer demand, but have no announcements regarding additional cables or connections.
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« Reply #38 on: September 28, 2006, 11:07:00 PM »

QUOTE(Dexter Harvey @ Sep 29 2006, 12:34 AM)  
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Stop all your crying and get a hdtv that supports 1080P true its analog connections like this one.
Westinghouse LVM-42W2 42" 1080p LCD HDTV
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Westinghouse LVM-42w2 LCD HD Monitor

Adrienne Maxwell, May, 2006

A true HD monitor.

Some of you may think that I call the LVM-42w2 a "true HD monitor" because I've finally acquiesced to the HDTV conspiracy theorists who insist that only 1,920-by-1,080 displays like this one should be labeled HDTVs. Don't worry—I plan to support 1080i and 720p a bit longer.
No, I've used the description "true HD monitor" for two reasons. For one, the LVM-42w2 is indeed a monitor, not a television. This LCD has neither an ATSC nor an NTSC tuner, so don't bother looking for an RF connection or onscreen program guide. They are of no use here. It also lacks a CableCARD slot or any bonus connections, such as a card reader or USB port. At least the monitor has built-in speakers and a subwoofer, discreetly hidden within the small frame, and they're capable of surprisingly robust audio.

Secondly, this monitor isn't meant to ease you into the HDTV era the way some TVs do. It was built for HDTV, and its input panel reflects that. The LVM-42w2 has a mere two entry-level video inputs (one composite, one S-video), but it's loaded with HD-capable inputs: one HDMI, two DVI, two component video, and one VGA.

The remote control has pseudo-dedicated buttons for the various inputs. By that, I mean it has dedicated buttons for VGA, S-video, and composite, plus one to toggle through HDMI and DVI and another to toggle through component video. It also has up/down buttons to scroll through the sources and an input button to move through them sequentially. I'd say that pretty much covers the input-selection process. There are only two screen sizes (standard and fill) to choose from and no automatic aspect-ratio detection.

Where It Counts
Obviously, Westinghouse chose to make the above sacrifices in order to offer this 42-inch 1080p LCD for the low price of $2,799. Just be glad they chose to sacrifice peripheral features and not the necessary staples to produce a higher-quality image, like an adjustable backlight and 3:2-pulldown detection. Although the display's internal processor didn't pick up the 3:2 film sequence on Video Essentials, it did pick it up on the Silicon Optix HQV Benchmark test disc and did an excellent job with my demo scenes from Gladiator and The Bourne Identity. Likewise, it did a poor job with video-based signals on the test discs but looked more than respectable with real-world video-based signals.

One feature that's surprisingly absent from the first crop of 1080p displays is the ability to actually accept a 1080p source. Many can only accept 1080i and 720p and then upconvert them to 1080p. That's not the case with the LVM-42w2, which can supposedly accept 1080p through all of its HD-capable inputs. To test this, I fed a 1080p signal from the NeuNeo HVD2085 DVD player to the monitor's component, DVI, and HDMI inputs. The picture looked great with DVI and component; however, with HDMI, I saw noticeable picture errors (blue, Matrix-like lines) in dark colors. We also tested the monitor's digital inputs with our reference HTPC. Again, the DVI signal looked great, but we did not get an image through HDMI. Westinghouse says that the HDMI input accepts 1080p, but we were unable to verify this with our equipment.

I also tested whether or not this monitor passes the complete 1080i interlaced signal or cheats by only passing 540 lines and then upconverting them. (See Gary Merson's article in the March 2006 issue for more information.) Happily, the LVM-42w2 passes the full signal; combine this with its excellent detail, and you'll be able to enjoy all of the information in the HDTV signal.

I should note that the monitor's HDMI and DVI inputs didn't work well with my Motorola HD cable box, which has a DVI output. I got no picture through DVI, and the HDMI input consistently lost the picture when I first powered up the monitor or changed channels. I tried multiple cable types and lengths with the same result. I had no such problems with any of the DVD players I used, so it may just be an issue with my cable box.

It Performs Well, to Boot
The LVM-42w2 looked quite good right out of the box. It offers three picture modes, vaguely labeled Color 1, Color 2, and Color 3. The default Color 1 setting is also the most accurate. Within this mode, I only had to make minor adjustments to the contrast, brightness, color (called saturation), and tint (called hue) using Video Essentials' test patterns to render a pleasing, natural image. When we measured the monitor in our lab, the results confirmed that the color temperature tracks close to 7,000 Kelvin across the board, with excellent red and blue color points. The green color point is more greenish-blue, but it's not oversaturated, so it doesn't throw the overall color balance off in a noticeable way. Calibration isn't a necessity; however, should you choose to have it done, we were able to calibrate the LVM-42w2 to track right at 6,500 K throughout much of the range.
You can adjust the LCD's backlight in increments from 0 to 100. We measured the monitor's black level and light output at the 0, 50, and 100 backlight settings; much to our surprise, the contrast ratio was excellent in all three (894:1, 824:1, and 879:1, respectively). This gives the LVM-42w2 some valuable flexibility in terms of suitable viewing environments. If black level is your primary concern, this display bests many of the LCDs we've reviewed, producing 0.064 foot-lamberts at the 0 backlight setting. If you want a bright monitor for a bright room, it puts out a ridiculous 158.3 ft-L at the 100 setting. If you're looking for a monitor to take with you to the park on a sunny afternoon, this is the one.

Like most LCDs, viewing angle is an issue, as the black level rises when you move even 45 degrees off-axis. The picture is still watchable but loses depth and color saturation. This is especially true when you view it from below, so you don't want to mount this LCD too high on the wall. On a positive note, the screen does not suffer from light- or color-uniformity issues.

As for my favorite test, Video Essentials' quantization test pattern, the light-to-dark ramp was one of the smoothest I've seen in an LCD flat panel, be it through the component, HDMI, or DVI input. I did see some slight banding, but there were no large jumps in the grays, which means that the LVM-42w2 is capable of producing most of the needed steps between white and black to render a clean, noise-free image.

All of these positive performance characteristics combine to create excellent TV and DVD images. Maybe a third reason to call this a true HD monitor is that HDTV in particular looks so good on the LVM-42w2. Yes, that 1080p resolution has something to do with it, bringing out every bit of detail in the picture; but let's not forget about good color balance, excellent depth, and the nondigital nature of the image. They all work together to produce a beautiful picture.

Its screen size puts the monitor in an interesting market position; 42 inches is usually a plasma screen size, while LCDs reside at either 40 or 45 inches. This monitor is certainly less expensive than any 40- or 45-inch LCD on the market, most of which are still 720p, but it's also comparably priced with many 42-inch plasmas, again at 720p. That'll certainly make the plasma-versus-LCD battle more interesting.

Regardless of where your loyalties lie, it's difficult not to be impressed by the LVM-42w2's performance. Just make sure you're ready now to enjoy all of the benefits of high definition. Get yourself an HD cable or satellite package, an upconverting DVD player, and an Xbox 360. Then your only concern will be what to do with all those extra HD inputs.

Highlights
• A noise-free, highly detailed 1080p image
• A ton of HD inputs
42" 1080p Monitor
LVM-42w2

Introducing the exciting new Westinghouse 42” 1080p Monitor, designed specifically to match the way you view high definition content. Ideal for all viewing environments, especially daytime-Better than plasma. This is the only display that should be connected to your HD cable box, satellite or multimedia PC!

Resolution: Be the first to have the very highest resolution 42” Monitor in the world. The Westinghouse LVM-42w2 features a 1920 x 1080 resolution display with over 2 million pixels.

HD Cable, HD Satellite & HD Gaming: The Westinghouse LVM-42w2 1080p Monitor is specifically optimized for use with the latest high definition sources. Don’t be trapped with only 1-choice. Westinghouse lets you attach all your favorite sources using uncompressed highest performance digital interfaces. Multiple high-bandwidth digital-interfaces mean you can have HD digital cable, HD satellite and a digital game console. Additionally, PC and notebooks users can enjoy the same fat pipe and the industry best Genesis Display Perfection® technology.

Design Excellence: The Westinghouse LVM-42w2 1080p Monitor is the largest screen that fits best in a tight space. “All display”, this 42” display fits neatly in the same space that other brands can only squeeze in a 37”or 32” TV. Amazingly thin for its size, you get 42 inches at only 4.5 inches deep (without base) allowing you to mount this stylish monitor on your wall. Now that’s art! Connector access is a breeze with our innovative SpineDesign™ technology allowing easy side access to (not just 1 legacy input) all of the connectors while still on the wall.

Sound: This is a complete entertainment package. You get a pair of 10 watt speakers and an integrated 10 watt subwoofer for an amazing sound experience or optimize the centerfield of your existing surround sound system. Convenient switched stereo audio outputs allow the ultimate flexibility for external receivers and surround-sound processors. Feel satisfied that this 1080p Monitor will fit neatly into your current and future audio setup.

Display Specifications
Viewable Screen Size
   
42" Diagonal
16:9 Aspect ratio
Native/Optimum Resolution
   
1920 x 1080
16.7 Million colors
Compatible Modes
NTSC
HD Ready
PC
   
480i
480p, 720p, 1080i, 1080p
1920 x 1080, 640 x 480, 800 x 600, 1024 x 768
Contrast Ratio
   
1000:1
Brightness
   
550 cd/m2
Color Gamut
   
75% NTSC
Lamp Life
   
60,000 Hrs
Viewing Angle
   
176° Horizontal
176° Vertical
Response Time
   
8 ms

Audio
   
2-10 watt speakers
10 watt Subwoofer
Video Processing
   
Progressive Scan, Aspect Ratio Conversion, CCS (Cross Color Suppressor), 3D Noise Reduction, PIP, Inverse 3:2 pulldown, Freezing Picture, 3D Video Processing, 3D Comb Filter

Connectors

QTY
   

TYPE
   

FORMATS SUPPORTED

1
   

HDMI®-HDCP + L/R Audio
   

480i/p, 720p, 1080i, 1080p

2
   

DVI -HDCP + L/R Audio
   

480i/p, 720p, 1080i, 1080p

1
   
VGA/D-Sub/
RGB + Audio mini jack
   

480i/p, 720p, 1080i, 1080p

2
   
YPbPr Component Video
+ L/R Audio
   

480i/p, 720p, 1080i

1
   
S-Video+ L/R Audio
   

480i

1
   
Composite Video + L/R Audio
   

480i

1
   

L/R Audio out, Switched, Fixed & Variable Volume
   

Physical Dimensions
   
28.0" x 41.5" x 9" (with Base)
57.3 lbs (with Base)
25.8" x 41.5" x 4.5" (w/o Base)
52 lbs (w/o Base)
   
Cabinet Color
   
Silver/Black
Installation Options
   
8 Hole pattern, 75mm x 75mm VESA® pattern, 100mm x 100mm VESA® pattern wall mounts
Please note that the User Manual incorrectly states (on page 20) that the LVM 42w2 has the ability to ONLY reproduce 1080i on HDMI. This is a misprint; this model allows HDMI input to reproduce 1080p and 1080i quality video. We regret the error.
42" 1080p Monitor
LVM-42w2

Introducing the exciting new Westinghouse 42” 1080p Monitor, designed specifically to match the way you view high definition content. Ideal for all viewing environments, especially daytime-Better than plasma. This is the only display that should be connected to your HD cable box, satellite or multimedia PC!

Resolution: Be the first to have the very highest resolution 42” Monitor in the world. The Westinghouse LVM-42w2 features a 1920 x 1080 resolution display with over 2 million pixels.

HD Cable, HD Satellite & HD Gaming: The Westinghouse LVM-42w2 1080p Monitor is specifically optimized for use with the latest high definition sources. Don’t be trapped with only 1-choice. Westinghouse lets you attach all your favorite sources using uncompressed highest performance digital interfaces. Multiple high-bandwidth digital-interfaces mean you can have HD digital cable, HD satellite and a digital game console. Additionally, PC and notebooks users can enjoy the same fat pipe and the industry best Genesis Display Perfection® technology.

Design Excellence: The Westinghouse LVM-42w2 1080p Monitor is the largest screen that fits best in a tight space. “All display”, this 42” display fits neatly in the same space that other brands can only squeeze in a 37”or 32” TV. Amazingly thin for its size, you get 42 inches at only 4.5 inches deep (without base) allowing you to mount this stylish monitor on your wall. Now that’s art! Connector access is a breeze with our innovative SpineDesign™ technology allowing easy side access to (not just 1 legacy input) all of the connectors while still on the wall.

Sound: This is a complete entertainment package. You get a pair of 10 watt speakers and an integrated 10 watt subwoofer for an amazing sound experience or optimize the centerfield of your existing surround sound system. Convenient switched stereo audio outputs allow the ultimate flexibility for external receivers and surround-sound processors. Feel satisfied that this 1080p Monitor will fit neatly into your current and future audio setup.

Display Specifications
Viewable Screen Size
   
42" Diagonal
16:9 Aspect ratio
Native/Optimum Resolution
   
1920 x 1080
16.7 Million colors
Compatible Modes
NTSC
HD Ready
PC
   
480i
480p, 720p, 1080i, 1080p
1920 x 1080, 640 x 480, 800 x 600, 1024 x 768
Contrast Ratio
   
1000:1
Brightness
   
550 cd/m2
Color Gamut
   
75% NTSC
Lamp Life
   
60,000 Hrs
Viewing Angle
   
176° Horizontal
176° Vertical
Response Time
   
8 ms

Audio
   
2-10 watt speakers
10 watt Subwoofer
Video Processing
   
Progressive Scan, Aspect Ratio Conversion, CCS (Cross Color Suppressor), 3D Noise Reduction, PIP, Inverse 3:2 pulldown, Freezing Picture, 3D Video Processing, 3D Comb Filter

Connectors

QTY
   

TYPE
   

FORMATS SUPPORTED

1
   

HDMI®-HDCP + L/R Audio
   

480i/p, 720p, 1080i, 1080p

2
   

DVI -HDCP + L/R Audio
   

480i/p, 720p, 1080i, 1080p

1
   
VGA/D-Sub/
RGB + Audio mini jack
   

480i/p, 720p, 1080i, 1080p

2
   
YPbPr Component Video
+ L/R Audio
   

480i/p, 720p, 1080i

1
   
S-Video+ L/R Audio
   

480i

1
   
Composite Video + L/R Audio
   

480i

1
   

L/R Audio out, Switched, Fixed & Variable Volume
   

Physical Dimensions
   
28.0" x 41.5" x 9" (with Base)
57.3 lbs (with Base)
25.8" x 41.5" x 4.5" (w/o Base)
52 lbs (w/o Base)
   
Cabinet Color
   
Silver/Black
Installation Options
   
8 Hole pattern, 75mm x 75mm VESA® pattern, 100mm x 100mm VESA® pattern wall mounts
Please note that the User Manual incorrectly states (on page 20) that the LVM 42w2 has the ability to ONLY reproduce 1080i on HDMI. This is a misprint; this model allows HDMI input to reproduce 1080p and 1080i quality video. We regret the error.

Specifications are subject to change without notice.
Extendable Wall Mount   

Flat Wall Mount
Tilt Wall Mount   

User's Manual
Quick Connect
   
   
LVM-42w2
 
   
Prices on these tvs are dropping like crazy if you can not afford now maybe in 6 months when its half or 1/3 the price.
Westinghouse LVM-42W2 42" 1080p LCD HDTV
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$1,548.86

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« Reply #39 on: September 28, 2006, 11:34:00 PM »

did you really need to quote that huge post? laugh.gif
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« Reply #40 on: September 29, 2006, 12:14:00 AM »

[quote name='Dexter Harvey' date='Sep 28 2006, 08:34 PM' post='3676684']
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« Reply #41 on: September 29, 2006, 01:35:00 AM »

To Everyone saying that HDMI is not needed, I think thats total crap.  This article from IGN has asked many questions that i have been wondering myself since the announcement of the HD DVD, and i think microsoft really needs to step up to the plate and give us what we want.  HDMI is needed, i'm sorry.  We already have a reason RIGHT NOW why we need HDMI, the lack of upconverting ability of the Xbox 360 DVD player through component.  To me that is major, So either i cant have upscaling dvd's or i cant use my tv?  And its a Samsung, The company that they have sort of partnered with in regards to HD Sets (Samsung Advertisements in Perfect Dark Zero).  It doesnt have a VGA port, it has HDMI.  Computers have for the past couple years moved over to DVI, which is the same signal as HDMI.  Yet they release this ancient analog VGA connector instead.  If you had HDMI you could connect it to your TV plus use that same connector to connect it to a computer monitor, which just a simple hdmi to dvi dongle.  but thats just the tip of the iceberg.  Please dont respond with the retarded statement of how you shouldnt use your xbox for dvd's anyways.  Why not?  It has the capability.  It is able to upscale.  But the only reason it cant is because of standards that were in place before the 360 came out.  Microsoft had all the information available to them when making this decition.  They should be offing a digital output option.  If I shoudlnt be using my xbox 360 for dvd movie playback, then guess what, they shouldnt have offered it.  More tv's accept 1080p over hdmi then component or VGA.  I'm sure more users use HDMI then VGA.  Component is already limited by the DVD forums by not allowing dvd's to be upscaled past 480p.  If then 360 is able to do a digital output, then why not give us HDMI?  Doesnt all the console manufacters make money off the accessories?  Isnt that there main profit area.  This would be yet another accessory for them to make money off, and there is obviously a demand for it, judging by the amount of posts, articles on game sites, etc.  Most tv's that accept 1080p, do it over HDMI.  So why make a system that can do 1080p, but not give us the main connector used by the majority of TV's?  If the xbox is not able to output a digital signal, and requires transcoders, etc, that i think that was a HUGE mistake on Microsoft's part designing this system.

Please Microsoft, just give us what we want and take more of our money.  Why are you so reluctant to answer the questions?

IGN: There are very few 1080p native HDTVs that accept 1080p via Component connections. The signal will only come in as 1080i and be de-interlaced back to 1080p. How is the 360's new 1080p support, in practical application, going to be any different than what was already possible?

Microsoft: We can offer 1080p support through both the VGA connection and the Component connection.

IGN: Could Microsoft theoretically release an HDMI dongle-cable like the various other cables already available for the console? Is the current 360 hardware able to output a digital signal, or is it restricted to analog?

Microsoft: Xbox 360 supports HD Component video output, which is compatible with nearly every HD ready TV on the market today. That's not yet true for HDMI. We are watching the market closely and will continue to evaluate our solution, in the face of consumer demand.


that right there is the mian questions i want to know, and Microsoft can't seem to answer them.  He didnt ask if the 360 support component, he didnt ask if its more compatible.  He simply asked is it possible to release hdmi and if its possible for a digital output.  Answer the questions dont skirt around it!  I'm really starting to get frustrated with the lack of information microsoft is giving us, and there attempts to try to convince us that hdmi isnt needed, probubly because they screwed up and cant implement it.  Its the same thing as Sony trying to convience us that we need something like blu ray, which we dont.  I thought this whole xbox 360 was about choice.  Where's my choice in the connector?
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« Reply #42 on: September 29, 2006, 05:57:00 AM »

QUOTE(ubiman @ Sep 28 2006, 11:03 AM)  

I am only bumped about MS not giving the component users DVD upscaling to 720p. That is it!!! GIVES US 720p OR BUST!!!


No idea if they could or not with the HD-DVD drive, but I don't see why it would be disabled on the regular 360 DVD drive.

QUOTE(GiveItUp4VOS @ Sep 28 2006, 11:52 AM)  

Now correct me if I am wrong but how hard would it have been to add HDMI port to the 360 at the get go?  I don't think it would alter the final cost of the 360 that much and it would have made things a lot easier.  Maybe they considered this but did not look at the big picture and consider things down the road.  But maybe when things get "worked out" and HDMI is the standard, the Xbox 720 will be out.


I imagine that Sony held off on HDMI until version 1.3 because they didn't believe that the earlier versions would be final, and therefore might not be fully compatible with whatever the HDMI standard becomes.  (And it's not 100% certain at this point that Sony's decision on that matter was right, either.)  That format could only be produced as of August of 2006, 9 months after the 360 launched.  Like you said, once the HDMI standard is known (and also when 1080p HDTVs are more common, of course), it'll be time for the next round of consoles.
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Xbox 360's New 1080p Support: Crippled?
« Reply #43 on: September 29, 2006, 06:26:00 AM »

I think everyone needs to relax a little on this 1080p thing.  If you have a 1080p tv you are getting 1080p RIGHT NOW.  Your tv is upscaling it just like the 360 would be doing.  And think about it.  What device would you rather have doing the scaling?  Your Xbox that cost a few hundred or your multi-thousand dollar tv?  What if they make a game in native 1080p down the road? So what?  Send it to your tv at 1080i, your set will deinterlace it to progressive and you end up with the same thing.  As long as your tv has a decent deinterlacer you'll see little to no difference in picture quality. The whole thing is over rated at this point.  If you can take advantage of it over component or VGA now or MS releases an official HDMI cable then great.  If not, you really aren't missing anything.  Now I'm not saying that I don't think they should offer HDMI.  They clearly should.  Most modern displays look their best when they are fed this way.  I'm just saying all the 1080p drama is getting out of hand.
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Xbox 360's New 1080p Support: Crippled?
« Reply #44 on: September 29, 2006, 07:26:00 AM »

[quote name='Dexter Harvey' date='Sep 28 2006, 08:34 PM' post='3676684']
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