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[#XboxBoy#]

You know MS is going to release a HDMI cable and it is already built into the console. MS is no dummy. They will prob release it when ps3 is released.

[Fishtank]

If MS could just up and release the HDMI cable at this point...they would.  They would put this debate to bed, stick it to Sony's hype machine, and up the appeal of their new HD-DVD drive.

I'm not saying it won't happen, there are plenty of brilliant people in the world, but as of right now, I don't think they can do it.  I'm only more convinced based on their weak attempt at a software upgrade that is causing more controversy than anything else.


Personally...who cares...I have a rp-crt that does 1080i...looks awsome.  When you don't have an optimized $8,000 1080P sitting beside it like in the big box stores, you really can't tell.

[-Spud-]

What Microsoft should have done is give the HD-DVD addon a direct HDMI output connection. Problem solved.

The first generation of 1080p signals is 1080p\30hz not 60hz like 720p is atm. This means its only good for watching movies and video. For gaming you need 1080p at 60hz for proper gameplay. I could be wrong but Im pretty sure the Xbox 360 will never be able to do this. PS3 on the other hand could be a different story.

The article is good and sound. Microsoft really didnt think this one out. Another reason why I believe the Xbox 360 was rushed out way too quickly.

[spinr34]

1080p over VGA is fine, big deal, the bits aren't digital. seriously at that high of a resolution anyone that can tell a stellar difference has the best eyes in the world.  but also i wouldn't be worried, i don't know the architecture of the 360 but i have a feeling it is very possible for MS to rls a hdmi cable and if it is possible, they will do it but, at the right time.

[Neoistheone2000]

just ranting

just to clarify ya all know that they make VGA to DVI adapters then they have DVI to HDMI adapters, most people would think that that would work (in a perfect wrold) but HDMI uses DVI-D and useing a VGA to DVI adapter wouldent work do the the fact that the adapter is a DVI-I standerd

HDMI: is digital audio (5.1 or what ever) and DVI-D in one cable. (Newer TVs)
DVI-D: is Digital only and makes up half of HDMI (Older DVI standard)
DVI-I is analouge and digital (backwards compatable with DVI-D) and has 4 more pins for RGB (this is what all the new video cards come with) (new standerd)
VGA: analouge and its been around for almost 20+ years
EGA: just playing

ok now if your was to houck up a vga adapter to a DVI adapter and then to a hdmi adapter it WILL NOT WORK!! because from the beginning it was analouge then in the dvi adapter  it was using the DVI-I standered and in analouge and i dont have the adapter for this but i do beleve that you wouldent be able to atach the dvi adapter to the hdmi adapter because of the 4 extra pins (RGB)

well im tiered and dont feal like going in to resalutions right now its almost 5 am and i got to get up early tomarrow

mark

[redwolf]

we need to have a poll, to see how many people in this forum have HDTV that support 1080p. i know in Europe, specially in UK they are almost none existence!

Micro$oft should just release a transcoder adaptor, they are usually expensive. but those who have 1080p capable TV can most likely can afford it.

[Foe-hammer]

A large number of 1080p HDTV's (jvc, westinghouse, sceptre, samsung) have VGA inputs that accepts 1080p, and some can accept 1080p over component.

I agree that HDMI would be great, but i guess that's the price you pay to have the 360 a year before the ps3.

There is always a work around with transcoders, but if the already very few who have 1080p displays are even fewer with vga or component 1080p, then the likely hood of native 1080p 360 games is next to none....of which i'm not too disappointed about; i'd rather trade 1080p for better graphics and effects in 720p.

[fahrenheit]

Resolution isn't everything. Framerate on the otherhand...

Lets be reasonable. If 720p games at 60fps are currently hugely outweighed by 720p games at 30fps on the 360, then you have to question how much of a struggle 60fps is for these developers. If they can't get 60fps at 720p as standard, then they have no business chasing 1080p pipedreams.

It annoys me that this resolution pissing-match has cast aside more important qualities that make for a great gaming experience.

[DV8ORMODS]

Microsoft is only doing this because this generation of hdtv is comonent enabled. And probably cheaper to build
the 360 to cater to the masses not just the guys with 1080p monitors or hdtv on the high end. and for the most part sony is saying most of there games are using 720 across there platform for optimal performance, 1080p possible on ps3 will it be used all the time no! don't worry wait till you see gears of war running  on your  component enabled 360 you be impressed and for those pissed about 1080p

[Textbook]

QUOTE(fahrenheit @ Sep 28 2006, 06:49 AM)

Resolution isn't everything. Framerate on the otherhand...

Lets be reasonable. If 720p games at 60fps are currently hugely outweighed by 720p games at 30fps on the 360, then you have to question how much of a struggle 60fps is for these developers. If they can't get 60fps at 720p as standard, then they have no business chasing 1080p pipedreams.

It annoys me that this resolution pissing-match has cast aside more important qualities that make for a great gaming experience.

[The Bat]

QUOTE(bigshooter13 @ Sep 27 2006, 09:47 PM)

Can someone clairify this for me. It sounds like the HD-DVD drive will either play in 1080p or 480p if you don't have a 1080p capable display. What about 720p and 1080i? Will the 360 be able to play HD-DVD movies at those resolutions? Or am I stuck with 480p? Because that is no different from current DVDs. This is all despite the cable issue. For this scenario, let's just pretend I have my 360 hooked up via component to a 720\1080i display, which I'm sure is a vast majority of us here. Thanks

HD-DVD will be able to output a 720p display through the 360 HD-DVD adapter, unless the movie studio encodes the HDMI lockout which would downgrade the signal to 480.  However, the movie studios which were asked said that they likely wouldn't do this for at least 5 years.  Since there are various types of HDMIs, with many HDTVs already purchased not having the right format or any HDMI at all, the HDMI lockout would give any next gen DVD player hooked up to those HDTVs a 480 display if they had the wrong type of HDTV hooked up to their blu-ray/HD-DVD player.  So it'll be a while before we have to worry about that, by my guess.

QUOTE(Lunar Aura @ Sep 27 2006, 10:50 PM)

Sony including HDMI on the $500 "gimped" version was a right move.

Now 360 + HD-DVD drive + means to get 1080p on movies (i.e. VGA adapter or HDMI addon) versus a $500 PS3 doesn't sound so one sided anymore.

I'm one of the majority who is sitting out of the HDTV battle until there's an established format, and the prices drop enough.  I'm also one of the larger majority which doesn't really care for a DVD format replacement yet, since I'd hate to spend $1,500 or more on a player and movie library which might become the next BetaMax, which could be either format at this point.  IMHO, the "right move" was not forcing the majority to pay for something that only the minority wants, especially when it may become the failed format.

In the off chance that a new DVD format becomes the new standard by late 2010, would you be saying that forcing blu-ray on all PS3 owners was a smart choice if blu-ray loses out?  Remember, it also meant paying $599 in Fall 2006 instead of $399 in Fall 2005.  HDTVs with an HDMI 1.3 input and which are capable of displaying 1080p are the minority of HDTVs owned and on the market.  And in most parts of the world, HDTVs overall are the minority of the TVs owned and on the market.

When I do get a HDTV, my 360 games will look a lot better.  And assuming that any similar PS3 game is running at the same framerate with the same polygonal builds in the exact same environment to a 360 game, I doubt that I or anyone that I know would be able to tell one from the other without being told which was which.

[47_M450N_47]

All this HDTV talk...I just wish I could afford one of those mofos.  I've never even seen what a 360 looks like on anything other than my 19" TV w/ RF adapter.

[jwarburton]

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We are watching the market closely and will continue to evaluate our solution, in the face of consumer demand........

like they did with the demand for divx support on the 360  

[ubiman]

I am only bumped about MS not giving the component users DVD upscaling to 720p. That is it!!! GIVES US 720p OR BUST!!!

[epsilon72]

QUOTE(47_M450N_47 @ Sep 28 2006, 05:45 AM)

All this HDTV talk...I just wish I could afford one of those mofos.  I've never even seen what a 360 looks like on anything other than my 19" TV w/ RF adapter.

You have my condolences, sir.

Now go start saving for an HDTV!