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[MadPerry]

the codec being used on all current blu-ray discs is mpeg2.  BD movies look like turd because using this older codec requires roughly twice the storage space as VC-1, which is what all HD DVD movies are using.  blu-ray is limited to ONLY 25 GB discs at this time.  they can not mass produce dual layer 50 GB discs because of the high failure rate(in time this may or MAY NOT improve).  the failure rate is also approximately 20% for single layer discs.  IT IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR A SINGLE LAYER BD TO HOLD 200 GB!  that would require 8 LAYERS.  if they can't get 2 layers working, what do you think the odds of 8 layers are?

HD DVD is currently smoking blu-ray.  a lot of you need to educate yourself by reading facts.  audio/video enthusiasts are flocking to HD DVD right now.  the toshiba HD-A1(which i own) is currently ranked as the number 10 selling dvd player.  samsungs blu-ray player is not even in the top 100.  HD DVD will have by far the most extensive(approx. 400) catalog of movies this year(compared to blu-ray approx. 200).  Huge hits like batman begins, the Lord of the Rings trilogy, etc..  

[CAjr45]

QUOTE(Hoescout @ Jul 17 2006, 03:19 PM)

Lol codecs ... come on man is that all you got? codecs can be used same on both players u poor m§ fanboy kid.

Dont defend 360 only cause u paid mass money for it and it isnt the newest stuff out on the market. Hf upgrading to a hdmi output too. My remark wasnt racist at all, read it as often untill you understand it how it supposes to be..

I feel bad for you Hoescout. You prance on this forum and call some an MS fanboy NOTING this a damn xbox forum (way to go genius)

and look at you!! "Blu-ray pwnz HD-DVD" Did you even listen to the damn interview?

Codecs are what can make or break sony or MS.

Apparently as of now HD-DVD is pwning Blu-ray because of codecs used if you didnt notice.

and another point Sony is using Mpeg2 codec because of the build and speed of the disc.

They have trouble Going to dual layer because of the build of the disc (if you listen to the Mjr Nelson interview they say blu-ray is built differently than dvd's

[Mozbius]

I'd suggest you to go and read at :

http://www.projector...m/blu-ray_2.htm

It's a quite interesting read... even more interesting than Major Nelson podcast...

What do you think?

[spinr34]

interesting article there Mozbius.  hd-dvd has a lot of advantages but the thing that will sell is what does the average consumer who knows nothing think the next format is.  if you say hd-dvd and they reply, huh? or if you say bluray and they reply, "oh i've heard about that, it's supposed to be good". that is all it really takes right there.  just like people who call playing almost any videogame "playing nintedo" or for the newer kids it's "playing playstation".  there are a lot of people who don't understand technology but have money to spend on it, they think it's "cool" and, will listen to whatever the salesman (or friends) tell them regardless of visible differences (if any).  word of mouth is more powerful than anything else in selling products, if people like you, you sell, if they don't, you don't.  (look at ipod, what's so special about it that it deserves to slaughter the market like it does?)

[incognegro]

Anybody wants a non bias opinion then here it is. I have No plans to buy the hd dvd add on nor do i care for the ps3 or blu ray. I just had to get that out in the open.

now I have been doing my research on these formats for a while and if anybody read the reviews on the net ( Click 4 Reviews )you would know that everything in that major nelson podcast is entirely accurate. Sony has rushed BD to market and at the moment the quality is at times less than dvd. Currently HD DVD is superior in every way possible. I think the reason for this though is because HD DVD is just at a more advanced stage, thats all. I think BD has alot of potential but we are not even close to seeing it and thats a huge disadvantage for them. The question is can BD catch up?

[ze_olc]

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hd-dvd has a lot of advantages but the thing that will sell is what does the average consumer who knows nothing think the next format is. if you say hd-dvd and they reply, huh? or if you say bluray and they reply, "oh i've heard about that, it's supposed to be good".

well, excuse me but HD-DVD most probaly sounds way more familiar than bluray. in any language, not only english, that is.

[Kira Yamoto]

all this hd-dvd vs blu-ray war is garbage.  For those informed, would know that both HD-DVD and Blu-Ray uses similar, to the same codecs, of all the places that I've researched they've said that its up to the STUDIOS to encode in a specific format.  Now for some odd reason, HDDVD studios have opted to use VC1 but BluRay studios opted to use MPEG2.  Obviously a mistake, but one that it can fix.

Lets see, why oh why are they comparing HD-DVD dual-layer (in which its discs aren't released yet) to Blu-Ray single layer? This makes no sense.  Oh mines bigger than yours!! (but we forgot to tell you that we needed 2 layers) This is ridiculous because Sony's dual-layer is 50gb and thier 4 layer disc in development is 200gbs.  No matter what HDDVD comes up with, Sony's is bigger.

[Kira Yamoto]

QUOTE(thax @ Jul 20 2006, 06:20 PM)

"First of all, due to their complicated manufacturing needs, the production yield rates for single-layer 25 gb Blu-ray discs have been rather poor, and dual-layer 50 gb discs apparently have such a high failure rate that so far no titles have been released in that configuration. On the other hand, while HD DVD only offers 15 gb capacity per disc layer, the majority of that format's releases have been on dual-layer 30 gb discs. What this means is that, up to this point, HD DVD has in fact offered higher storage capacity."

http://blogs.zdnet.c...ndex.php?p=1579

It's still an unfair comparison.  Lets wait until Blu-Ray comes out with their Dual-Layer and then we'll compare dual-layers.

Next, how do they KNOW that there's 2 layers to a movie release? There are no burners/readers........

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I've checked out some HD-DVD covers and most of them are combo discs, combo discs are dual-SIDED, not dual-LAYERED.  Also for those that are not, whats to say that including 480p/i standard definition isnt part of the initial 15gb single layer?

[thax]

QUOTE(Kira Yamoto @ Jul 21 2006, 04:59 AM)

It's still an unfair comparison.  Lets wait until Blu-Ray comes out with their Dual-Layer and then we'll compare dual-layers.

When making comparisons you should use all the same criteria, including point in time. It would be unfair to compare VHS to Blu-ray as the technologies were released at different points in time. We could wait for dual layer blu-ray, however by that time triple layer HD-DVD may be out. Right now the best technology available technology in terms of storage capacity is HD-DVD. However I also think that 25 gigs on a single layer Blu-ray disc is enough capacity to deliver most movies in high def, although you need to use the correct compression algorithm. I think that more may be required to deliver titles like Lord of the Rings.

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I've checked out some HD-DVD covers and most of them are combo discs, combo discs are dual-SIDED, not dual-LAYERED.

You can clearly see from the wikipedia article that nearly all releases are dual layer. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HD_DVD

You can also check on www.thedigitalbits.com to see the format codes that the movie studios use. I guess it is possible that the movie studios are lieing, however I think that this is unlikely.