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[rasstar]

QUOTE(lex_luther23 @ Jul 14 2006, 03:30 PM)

Like i said time and time again.....The console was rushed to market to get the extra ground before sony came out. I could had lived a few more months with out why they added more to the hardware. I do think Hd-dvd and blue ray is over rated dvd is fine with me. But i do feel instead of this addon for a 2nd drive is retarded they should had just built it in side the console. They could had took 2 - 3 more months to add all of these features and still get the console out in time to get enough ground in the USA and Uk.

Then we will pay $600.00 for a gaming console with fatures 90% of us wouldn't use? I think this has been repeated on numerous occasions...MS wanted to give consumers a choice. Not everyone cares about HDDVD or Bluray right now. I am for sure not buying any $30.00 movie and I can get the DVD for $9.99. Hell I don't even buy movies.

[lex_luther23]

QUOTE(rasstar @ Jul 14 2006, 11:02 AM)

Then we will pay $600.00 for a gaming console with fatures 90% of us wouldn't use? I think this has been repeated on numerous occasions...MS wanted to give consumers a choice. Not everyone cares about HDDVD or Bluray right now. I am for sure not buying any $30.00 movie and I can get the DVD for $9.99. Hell I don't even buy movies.

all i like the console i own 2 of em.....I'm just saying addons like that don't go to well with the customer look what a flop the Sega CD add on was or the 32x or the ps2 Hdd with final fantasy!! Add ons like this don't sell well and leave a bad taste in the customer's mouth.

[tgm4883]

QUOTE(sinister slipknot @ Jul 14 2006, 01:30 AM)

I like how he thinks that we 'probably' have the core.  

Actually I read it as "core", the people that care about this stuff.  As in, not the weekenders, but the people who game day in and day out.  The people who are the foundation of their customers.  Not the people who buy it cause its new.

[incognegro]

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all i like the console i own 2 of em.....I'm just saying addons like that don't go to well with the customer look what a flop the Sega CD add on was or the 32x or the ps2 Hdd with final fantasy!! Add ons like this don't sell well and leave a bad taste in the customer's mouth

Those were used for games so ofcourse they are going to flop. The HD DVD isn't used for games, in fact from a financial stand point I dont think MS expects them to gain much seeing as though its just a Peripheral to them. Remember its not used for games (and games are MS' bread and butter), so it doesnt matter to them in terms of sales.  Thats another reason why I think MS will never add an HDMI port cause they don't care as much as ppl think they do. ITS NOT THAT IMPORTANT!

Neither HDMI or HD DVD/Blu Ray adds anything siginificant to gaming so as far as im concerned they are not important.

and for those saying it was rushed...

MS' top goal with the 360 was not market share but profit! So this has very little to do with the system being rushed. Ms just never wanted to put expensive parts in there that they will never be able to pay for in the long run *ahem* xbox 1, ps3 *ahem*. So adding HD DVD/HDMI just for bragging rights is stupid and is also not only raping the consumers of their money but also raping themselves. They can offer a similar experience for a lower price then why not? I dunno bout u but if I see an affordable device that does what i want it to do, I would buy it over the over priced bloat factory thats on the shelf beside it (ps3). Its the logical thing to do.

[twistedsymphony]

I think if they do release a new version of the console with HDMI ports a free upgrade service to those who want it would be a great idea. Heck even charging a $25 fee of some sort would be acceptable IMO.

This seems very similar to the Nintendo Gamecube's situation

The early model GCs had a "Digital A/V" port that was similar to a Japanese D-Port, it supported component video and VGA. It was the only way to get Component video (and thus 480p) out of the Gamecube.

About halfway through it's life Nintendo realized that LESS THEN 1% of all GC owners had purchased the Component cables. Since there weren't (and still aren't) any 3rd party component cable available it was a pretty accurate number. Because of this when the made internal revisions to the hardware they dropped the Digital AV port (thus dropping component/480p support).

Even after doing this they offered a free exchange service to those with new style GCs who wanted the Digital AV port.  I actually bought a USED GC at a local GameStop. When I found out it was missing the Digital AV port I looked on Nintendo's website and found out about the exchange program.* I called them up and they gave me an RMA. 5 days later I had a new (old) Gamecube with a Digital AV port on it... and it cost me NOTHING.

I think MS would be wise to offer a similar service. I think we here at XS represent a very small group of people actually interested in HDMI and most of the gaming public will in-fact be satisfied with just component video outputs.

Even charging a small fee for the exchange will keep those who do the exchange limited to those who really want it and besides you'd be exchanging used hardware for new hardware.

...my 2 cents...

*I should note that a couple of months ago Nintendo discontinued the Component cable, and the page about the free exchange has dissapeared from their website, not surprising seeing as the Wii is right around the corner. Though I wouldn't be surprised if they'd still oblige if you called them.

[incognegro]

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*I should note that a couple of months ago Nintendo discontinued the Component cable, and the page about the free exchange has dissapeared from their website, not surprising seeing as the Wii is right around the corner. Though I wouldn't be surprised if they'd still oblige if you called them.

i like how u brought that up, cause I was gonna mention before but was getting tired of typing. Anyways, i think nintendo realise that its just not that important. i feel its going to be the same with the 360 if that was the case. ppl talk about HDMI/ HD dvd but the truth is that they just want it there for bragging rights (mostly). if you do any research you'll realise its not that big a deal. I don't think its worth their time, frankly. but whatever, thats just my opinion. Opinions were made to be opposed  

[sicknasty413]

Alright I mentioned it in my last post, dont think anyone commented on it.. im no video/audio expert and im not really sure how the whole shmeel works...

But, would a converter be possible. Just a little brick/cube/rectanular prism that converts/upscales/whatever component to hdmi/dvi... or analog to digital or whatever. Blah, idk, it just kinda seems possible in my mind  

[twistedsymphony]

QUOTE(#XboxBoy# @ Jul 15 2006, 02:44 PM)

I am thinking the hdmi port might be on the hd-dvd player it only makes sense. Think about it.

They've already released photos of the HD-DVD drive... it doesn't have an HDMI port. becides the video processing is handled by the console. if the drive were to have the port they would need to send the video data back over USB... whil USB 2.0 DOES have enough bandwidth to run an HD-DVD drive, it DOES NOT have enough to run that AND stream encripted un-compressed HD Video data for an HDMI port.

QUOTE(sicknasty413 @ Jul 15 2006, 05:54 PM)

Alright I mentioned it in my last post, dont think anyone commented on it.. im no video/audio expert and im not really sure how the whole shmeel works...

But, would a converter be possible. Just a little brick/cube/rectanular prism that converts/upscales/whatever component to hdmi/dvi... or analog to digital or whatever. Blah, idk, it just kinda seems possible in my mind  

That would be completely pointless... like dressing a Geo Metro up to look like a Ferrari and then expecting it to drive like one.

People don't care about the connector. The fact that it's an HDMI cable that plugs into their TV is moot.

The whole POINT of HDMI is two fold

1. It's completely digital and uncompressed meaning the signal remains PURE from the disc to the screne. Component Video is NOT digital and has compression. Once the video is in that format any further conversions (even if it's to HDMI) will just degrade the signal further. it's a whole lot of money for nothing.

2. HDMI allows for encription which means that when the MPAA enables the Image constraint token  you'll still be able to view  your movies at 720p 1080i/p while people with component video will be limited to non-HD resolutions. This is done explicitly to prevent piracy. Component video doesn't offer any type of encryption. Converting from component would completely undermind the reasons for using HDMI...

But of course all of the above things have been discussed to death hundres of times before... I'm just regurgitating the results of many many many other threads before this gets too far into repeating itself.

[sicknasty413]

well thanks twistedsymphony for that explanation. Like i mentioned, i somewhat n00bish    Well, maybe someday theyll have hdmi on 360's.. maybe someday.

[kidkinetix]

QUOTE(sicknasty413 @ Jul 16 2006, 03:57 AM)

well thanks twistedsymphony for that explanation. Like i mentioned, i somewhat n00bish    Well, maybe someday theyll have hdmi on 360's.. maybe someday.

Maybe indeed.  videophiles should get a stand alone player with a disc changer and a bunch more features then you'd get on a console though.  If people want HD-DVD on their 360 they need to accept it as a 'neat-oh' gimmick, or at least a value solution for a bleeding edge technology (har... a bleedingly slow to implement technology).

Maybe the rumour about the 360 with HDMI, and a monster hard drive for PVR will turn out, but if we see that then it's a long ways away, and all this bitching will hopefully have blown over