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[Neoistheone2000]

this i kinda like when they took the digital out of the back of the gamecube off and all you had was a AV multi out (sorry im talking about nintendo) the newer gamecubes only have the av multi out... no HDTV support...

[chedabob]

QUOTE(downlowfunk @ Jul 8 2006, 10:10 PM)

Or maybe the entire board is redesigned you ignorant fool.

or maybe they wouldnt bother. they never did it any of the xbox versions, so why start doing it now?



look at all you people, like "OMFG I HATE MS, i want HDMI", does it really matter? MS are covering all their bases. look at the HD-DVD drive, its not internal, so people have a choice over whether they have it or not, and for early adopters to have it.

i bet most of the people moanin are people without HDMI tvs, or people who it wouldnt really benefit. component gives the best picture, only benefit HDMI has is that the copy protection doesnt upscale, so you get native resolutions. but so far it looks like HD-DVD wont do this, the full res will be outputted through component, so theres no need to worry.

QUOTE(flashfreak @ Jul 9 2006, 08:44 AM)

This will cause big issues, due to any people who actually want/need a HDMI port have a 360 already.

NEED? who needs HDMI? all tvs with HDMI come with component, so wheres the problem? and if you dont have a component input, use a hdmi to dvi convertor.

[matthunter3]

mabey this is the possible non ibm redesign of the 360 mobo, you know to make it cheaper?
oh nd just think about it, why would ms want to internalize a hd dvd drive, think about it wht if that format failed, and the 360 didnt sell well because the public thought it was inferior, think about it, internal hd dvd would be a bad idea.

[halofun121]

QUOTE(matthunter3 @ Jul 9 2006, 07:50 AM)

oh nd just think about it, why would ms want to internalize a hd dvd drive, think about it wht if that format failed, and the 360 didnt sell well because the public thought it was inferior, think about it, internal hd dvd would be a bad idea.

Well then make a hybrid HD-DVD/Blu-Ray drive  . Sounds like a good dream to me.

[10001110101]

QUOTE(paranoia4422 @ Jul 8 2006, 03:13 PM)

I bet %80 of the people here bitching don't own a HDMI tv and won't for quite some time......
I will only buy it if it support 1080p(not even that important....but when I upgrade my Hitachi 51F59 in 2 years it would be nice to have)

Get your panties out of a bunch, if you were smart and saved your box just return the console to walmart.....

it already supports 1080p

[G0t M4xx 21]

QUOTE(Spectro @ Jul 9 2006, 08:28 AM)

I remember MS saying the 360 was fully capable of outputting through HDMI if the need arises, simply by MS releasing a HDMI-cable. I haven't researched this any further, but it sounds feasible to me.

I'm pretty familiar with the pinout of the A/V port on the 360, there are nowhere near enough unused pins on that plug to have a HDMI out, if they did decide to support HDMI, it would look like, well, like that pic right there! Hmmm    

What they meant, was probably that the chipset/video encoder supports HDMI, so all they have to do is add a plug and hook it up.

Which means, is once this comes out (or if this "anonymous source" releases some higher res pics on the traces on the board), one could "upgrade" their 360 to have a HDMI out, similar to my VGA output mod.  Hell, with some better pics, I could have HDMI on my 360 tomorrow...  

Im gonna be doing some poking around on the ana chip to see what I can find

[StepsAscend]

HDMI isn't enough of an improvement over component to run out and buy a new 360, even if they release one.  I'm betting this is either a fake or a dev kit of some sort.  I don't even have an HD set so I'm not even concered about the HD-DVD drive.

[Shadow of Light]

You have to wonder if MS might have jumped the gun with the release of the XB 360. In the market of video games, timing is just as important as the technology that is put into the system. Now, while they do get a head start with thie early release of the 360, they have also boxed themself into a corner. The competition (namely Sony) now has the advantage to incorporate newer technology as development progresses, making it easier to outshine MS. This forces MS into making a decision. They either have to wait for the next generation of consoles or they have to redisign the one they have out now. The one thing MS can NOT afford to do at this point is fall behind- that's how the Dreamcast was killed. Releasing a new and improved media console with technology that better rivals the upcomming PS3 makes sense.

[twistedsymphony]

QUOTE(Shadow of Light @ Jul 10 2006, 01:24 AM)

You have to wonder if MS might have jumped the gun with the release of the XB 360. In the market of video games, timing is just as important as the technology that is put into the system. Now, while they do get a head start with thie early release of the 360, they have also boxed themself into a corner. The competition (namely Sony) now has the advantage to incorporate newer technology as development progresses, making it easier to outshine MS. This forces MS into making a decision. They either have to wait for the next generation of consoles or they have to redisign the one they have out now. The one thing MS can NOT afford to do at this point is fall behind- that's how the Dreamcast was killed. Releasing a new and improved media console with technology that better rivals the upcomming PS3 makes sense.

FUD FUD FUD and more FUD

HDMI was around long before the Xbox 360 was released, the time they released the console had nothing to do with them not incorporating an HDMI port. Questions about HDMI support started right from the moment the thing was announced. They made a conscience decision NOT to include it. Whether it was a good or bad decision was beside the point. Being that HDMI is based off of the DVI spec they could have implemented it in the Xbox 1 if they really wanted to.

Most likely their decision to not include it has to do with this: http://www.hdmi.org/about/faq.asp#q2_4

The only "technology" MS missed out in incorporating by releasing when they did was a blue laser disc format. And they only reason they DIDN'T include it was because they would have had to delay their launch until an unknown date when it would have become available (never mind affordable). Sony decided that including the tech was more important then launching on time so their console is now launching about year later then originally anticipated. The rest of the tech isn't any more advanced because they started their design work at the same time as MS. So far the blue laser drives haven't even proven to be an advantage. the 360 seems to be getting along fine without one and the stand alone players are selling like crap not to mention that they're proving to be an enormous let-down in terms of picture quality and media reliability (with Blu-Ray being worse then HD-DVD in both of those departments).

Finally it wasn't technology that killed the Dreamcast it was poor management and a history of let downs. If the last # consoles your company released were huge disappointments even when you release a good product the industry and consumers alike will be extremely hesitant.

The Sega CD... tanked
The Sega CDX... tanked
The Sega 32X... tanked
The Sega Neptune... failed to launch
The Sega Saturn... tanked
Even the hand helds:
The Sega GameGear tanked and
The Sega Nomad tanked as well

Then Sega releases the Dreamcast... based on their prior history over the previous decade, coupled with probably the worst marketing and even more horrible company management It's amazing the Dreamcast sold as well as it did Regardless of how good, bad, or appealing the Dreamcast actually was developers and consumers alike turned up their noses based purely on the consoles history.

Sony on the other hand had the best received console of the previous generation huge financial backing and un-arguably one of the best marketing departments on the face of the planet.

It doesn't take a market analyst to see WHY the Dreamcast failed and WHY MS's situation is NOTHING like that of the Dreamcasts.

MS is coming off of a fairly competitive last generation, even better is their fantastic track record for success in other fields
MS is one of the few companies on the planet with the management and bigger financial backing then Sony.
MS might not be a hype machine but their Xbox advertising is actually AWARD WINNING.

When the PS3 comes out the only thing Sony will have over MS is HDMI and brand loyalty.

... and apparently MS is working on fixing their previous mistake of not including HDMI.

[troyBORG]

[Shadow of Light]

QUOTE(twistedsymphony @ Jul 10 2006, 05:28 AM)

FUD FUD FUD and more FUD

HDMI was around long before the Xbox 360 was released, the time they released the console had nothing to do with them not incorporating an HDMI port. Questions about HDMI support started right from the moment the thing was announced. They made a conscience decision NOT to include it. Whether it was a good or bad decision was beside the point. Being that HDMI is based off of the DVI spec they could have implemented it in the Xbox 1 if they really wanted to.

Most likely their decision to not include it has to do with this: http://www.hdmi.org/about/faq.asp#q2_4

The only "technology" MS missed out in incorporating by releasing when they did was a blue laser disc format. And they only reason they DIDN'T include it was because they would have had to delay their launch until an unknown date when it would have become available (never mind affordable). Sony decided that including the tech was more important then launching on time so their console is now launching about year later then originally anticipated. The rest of the tech isn't any more advanced because they started their design work at the same time as MS. So far the blue laser drives haven't even proven to be an advantage. the 360 seems to be getting along fine without one and the stand alone players are selling like crap not to mention that they're proving to be an enormous let-down in terms of picture quality and media reliability (with Blu-Ray being worse then HD-DVD in both of those departments).

Finally it wasn't technology that killed the Dreamcast it was poor management and a history of let downs. If the last # consoles your company released were huge disappointments even when you release a good product the industry and consumers alike will be extremely hesitant.

The Sega CD... tanked
The Sega CDX... tanked
The Sega 32X... tanked
The Sega Neptune... failed to launch
The Sega Saturn... tanked
Even the hand helds:
The Sega GameGear tanked and
The Sega Nomad tanked as well

Then Sega releases the Dreamcast... based on their prior history over the previous decade, coupled with probably the worst marketing and even more horrible company management It's amazing the Dreamcast sold as well as it did Regardless of how good, bad, or appealing the Dreamcast actually was developers and consumers alike turned up their noses based purely on the consoles history.

Sony on the other hand had the best received console of the previous generation huge financial backing and un-arguably one of the best marketing departments on the face of the planet.

It doesn't take a market analyst to see WHY the Dreamcast failed and WHY MS's situation is NOTHING like that of the Dreamcasts.

MS is coming off of a fairly competitive last generation, even better is their fantastic track record for success in other fields
MS is one of the few companies on the planet with the management and bigger financial backing then Sony.
MS might not be a hype machine but their Xbox advertising is actually AWARD WINNING.

When the PS3 comes out the only thing Sony will have over MS is HDMI and brand loyalty.

... and apparently MS is working on fixing their previous mistake of not including HDMI.

Ok, you beat mehttp://images.xbox-scene.com/forums/style_images/oldx/folder_post_icons/icon4.gif
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But the Dreamcast (a MS-Sega project) was also released right before the PS2, which was way above it's weight-class in terms of everything. My actual main point was to give a nudge to the reality of the HDMI port, not knocking MS for thier decision wether to include it or not. Anyways, its all just my $.02

[vandensd]

I don't know how anyone on this board believes this.  A picture comes out, showing a motherboard from only ONE angle, with only ONE port(the ethernet/usb) that coincides with the back of the XBOX360, and happens to have an HDMI port also slapped on it.  Where are the other pictures?  Where is a view from the top?  Where are the words MS?  Look at the shape of it compared to the back of the 360.  First of all, based on the length shown in the photo in question, that hdmi port and the rest of the board extends farther then the length of the console, and the back of the board extends even farther still which would push it right into the hard drive and outside of the console.  This is clearly not an XBOX360 motherboard and could be any motherboard as well as an XBOX 1 motherboard for that matter.  I'm almost tempted to create my own picture of some ridiculous story and pitch it to a website claiming to be from MS and to remain anonymous because I know it would fly all over the net like this has.  Put your heads together and save yourself the trouble of whther or not you should wait to buy a 360 or complain that you already bought one because some jokester decided to plant a seed for all you ignorant and gullible people.

Oh, and I just thought of this so you can compare the length of the board versus the length of the 360.  The back part of the board shown sticks out as I said and would go into the bay of the hard drive.  This bay alone is an inset and would take away a few inches of the space available in the box and further prove that this HDMI connector would never fit in that area because there wouldn't be enough space.

[fahrenheit]

Brilliant bit of detective work there genius. Did you miss the part about it being a mirror image?

[vandensd]

I see what you mean about it being flipped, and yes I see now that the HDMI is simply under the avi port that is already there.  For anyone else who would look into this further here is a link to pictures of the motherboard.

http://www.anandtech...doc.aspx?i=2611

The link below show the ports of the motherboard

http://www.anandtech...aspx?i=2611&p=2

One thing I do notice and you can leave this up to your imagination I guess.  The spokes on the sides which will contact with the casing when it's inside the unit are on all pieces EXCEPT the HDMI.  Look at the ports section of the above link and you will see that these pieces of metal appear on the USB and ETHERNET ports that are stacked on each other.  But you do not see the metal on the HDMI which the AVI port is stacked on.

[samsbak]

Inquiries as to whether ATI might also be working with MS in developing the rumored Xbox 360-with-built-in HD-DVD player produced this statement from ATI: "The only HD-DVD drive for the Xbox 360 is the external model for which ATI is providing its H.264 decode technology."

That clears it up...

NO INTERNAL HD-DVD Drives ... the usb hd-dvd addon has HDMI output on it!