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twistedsymphony

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« Reply #15 on: June 02, 2006, 01:54:00 PM »

hmm some interesting opinions flying around here... some I agree with some I don't

I DEFINITELY agree that you should NEVER EVER buy an amp/dvd combo... you might as well try to get your system out of a cracker jack box. The general rule of thumb is the more segregated the system the more professional it is. Systems that run in the $100K range use separate decoders and individual amps for each channel, sometimes even external cross overs and amplification after the crossovers... systems on the clearance rack at WallMart are combo units...

I would also advise against wireless speakers... There are LOTS of cable options that would make the wires completely invisible. Baseboard heaters typically have a small lip on the bottom that you can run wires under and out of view. Monster has a great line of FLAT speaker wires that can be run under carpet without any noticeable bumps. The most professional install would be to go to home depot and buy some speaker wire wall receptacles and run nice thick wires through your walls. If you want to spend a little more you can even get some decent wall speakers that build right into your walls themselves for the best WAF (Wife Acceptance Factor). For regular speakers you can get decent speaker stands that allow you to run the wires up inside the stand. Good quality floor standing speakers will have the hookups on the bottom so you could even run the wires up through the floor.
IMO wireless speakers are over priced, under powered and generally sound like total ass for the amount of money they cost. The biggest problem is that they're usually battery operated and use internal amplification. Any amplifier that runs on batteries and fits in a 4x6 box with the speaker is going to have the audio quality of a cheap radio... because that's basically what it is. and because all the money was spent on the internal amplification they usually cheap out on the speaker itself. That's not to say they don't make good sounding wireless speakers, because they do, you'll just pay 2 to 3 times as more for them.

I also agree on the point about buying all the speakers from the same brand... I'd even go as far as to suggest the same LINE of the same brand. All of my speakers are Cambridge Soundworks for this reason. Because they're all from the same brand they all use similar parts and they all have similar tonalities. I started building my set when they were on the edge of phasing out the "Classic" series for the "Newton" series. Because of this I was able to get my fronts and sub much cheaper then MSRP... Also because of this by the time I went to add the rears I couldn't find them anyway and had to get CS Newton series speakers. Thankfully they were matched close enough to the fronts that it still matched tonally.

I'd have to disagree somewhat on the Speakers over receiver idea mentioned.... while it's true that a quality set of speaker will last a long time... (day I say a decade, at least). I think that for quality a solid amplifier is the key. A good amp can make so-so speakers sound fantastic... however the most amazing speakers in the world will always be limited by an underpowered amp. It's true that Amps/Receivers wont last you as long but IMO they're far more important in the quality equation.

If you're looking to piece build a system the first thing you have to do is determine your goals... How big is your room, how is your room arranged, what kind of content will you typically use your system for? (movies and games, or music ?) What devices do you plan on hooking up to it... Classic Game consoles? (you'll want Dolby Pro Logic IIx support) Modern Game consoles? (you'll want an optical port with Dolby Digital support)Next Gen DVD players? (you'll want Dolby Digital ES and DTS EX support) SACD/DVD-A players? (you'll want 6 or 7 channel analog pre-amp inputs) etc.

Once you have those questions answered RESEARCH RESEARCH RESEARCH... hit up some AV forums (no this one doesn't count) see what other people are using and why, pick up some AV magazines and read reviews.

Once you've got that underway go shopping... And when I say shopping I mean NOT at big box stores... a good rule of thumb is if the store doesn't have a listening room avoid it like the plague. Most Bestbuys/Circuit Citys are only concerned with moving products, they could care less about the buyers post-purchase experience. I wouldn't buy from them unless you had a very specific model speaker or receiver in mind that you KNEW you wanted to buy and they had it cheaper or were closer then any other store.

Part of the reason I went cambridge soundworks was because there was a cambridge soundworks store near me. I read lots of reviews and there were a few brands/model lines that were in my price range and looked good but CS were one of only ones I had an opportunity to listen to in a professionally set up environment. There were a few others but after listening to them first hand I was sold on them.

Tweeter is probably the only big box store that has decent listening environments. I would imagine some of the larger CCs or BBs might but when "shopping" around you're better off doing it somewhere where the staff knows what they're talking about. Local mom and pop shops are often quite good for this stuff too...

Another thing about the AV forums... is you might find people in your area that will let you go listen to their setups. Also lots of small AV start up companies will send around demo equipment for people to try out, they usually setup the demo recipients through these forums so see if one is stopping by in your area.

Don't discredit no-name speaker makers. Some of the best quality stuff can come from some guy in his basement. I have a friend who enters speaker making competitions all the time. he's made a few sets that cost him less then $100 that rival mine  smile.gif If you're interested in speaker building pick up a parts-express catalog from their website. Each catalog includes a DIY speaker project with detailed instructions and a parts list. VERY cool stuff if you have the tools and the ambition.

on that same note... never buy speakers from guys in vans, especially white vans.

Amps and Receivers are a different boat all together. IMO you're better off going with a quality name brand. I personally prefer Marantz. My father had a Marantz receiver and it sounded amazing, when I got mine I shopped around and found a nice one cheap ($800 receiver marked down to $500) it's been going strong for about 4 years now and I love it. Big Box stores DO often carry decent ones but you'd be better off doing your research else where and again only using the big box once you know EXACTLY what you want. RMS is the only TRUE power raiting, if you can't find the RMS power output for an amp don't bother buying it because it's probably Junk.

.... I could keep going but I think this is a good place to stop for now.  laugh.gif

Oh and I'm Pinning this topic... this is just too good a discussion to not be pinned beerchug.gif
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« Reply #16 on: June 02, 2006, 02:51:00 PM »

wow- thanks for all the input everyone...

I got a good idea of where to begin- RESEARCH... i think rather than blow a 3-5 hundred bucks on some crappy system -ill keep researching, and when i decide what i want i'll prolly start off with a receiver and some tower type speakers for the front L and R channels, then sublater then add a couple other speakers as i can.

but for now my  stereo gets decent sound, and has the ability to piss off my apartment neighbors (but its a college town so no one would complain no matter how loud it got practically.)

time to research!




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« Reply #17 on: June 20, 2006, 02:24:00 AM »

I would deffinately reccomend the system below. I plan on getting it soon. I sold it for a while & know it to be dependable. I believe you'd probably be happy with the features. I think they would go well with your current setup.

http://www.sonystyle...DVDDreamSystems
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« Reply #18 on: June 20, 2006, 09:56:00 PM »

I just picked up this new SONY 5.1 for $170($120 after my giftcard) at BEST BUY.It sounds great for my appartment and gets the job done.Check it out.




you can find it fot cheaper
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« Reply #19 on: June 25, 2006, 09:49:00 PM »

yeah I'll have to add my $.02. My JBL Northridge are awesome at 5.1 gaming on the 360 and good for movies too. They are ok for music but if I can figure out how to feed a LFE to my sub via Mp3's from ither my 360 or my dvd player then it would be even better.

I got my speakers from B&H Photo/video. THere are many good brands other than JBL. But I got them because of the reputation preceeds them as a good speaker manufactuerer. But others like Polk, Paradigms, and some others offer great sound to. Just don't get them at best buy or you'll pay alot more. Better yet visit your local audio retailer and see if they have speakers that you are looking for and have a listen.

My setup is:

Onkyo TX-SR702 Receiver
Marantz MM9000 AMP
JBL E80 fronts EC-35 center and E-30 for rears.

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« Reply #20 on: August 15, 2006, 10:23:00 PM »

I personally would recommend Klipsch reference series(or maybe one of their cheaper series).  But I'm not quite the expert as some people on here are.  Make sure to search around the internet for the best deal.  But you should try to hear whatever you get first hand.  I can't tell you how many reviews I read  before I actualy bought mine.  ANd I can't be more pleased with them.  

You can't leave out good cables too. They are a very important part of this equation too.
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« Reply #21 on: August 18, 2006, 11:19:00 AM »

QUOTE(GetLoose @ May 29 2006, 10:11 PM) View Post

I was wondering if anyone can recommend me some great Home Theater Speakers. Looking for a subwoofer that pumps out 150 watts, and has 5.1 to 7.1 surround sound. Ive seen a bunch of Speakers from JBL, Jamo, Polk Audio and Infinity. Ive had a set from JBL before which I thought worked great, the only problem was that if you listened to music it didnt sound that clear. Im also looking to use this system with my Sony STR DA2ES Reciever, Samsung 50 Plasma TV and of course my XBOX 360. Heres a link of the JBL's. The specs looks pretty good. Thanks for the help.

JBL SCS300.7. http://www.jbl.com/h...d...SCS&ser=SCS


Has anyone tried these new pioneers yet? They are made for x-box 360!

http://www.pioneerel...6743267,00.html
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« Reply #22 on: September 21, 2006, 01:05:00 AM »

Best Bang for the buck. (You did say you wanted home theater speakers)

http://www.fluance.c...uan5speaks.html
Check for them on eBay, they have a store on there as well, and normally it is like $10 or $20 cheaper.

For your sub,

http://www.partsexpr...tnumber=300-633

You can step up to the 12" for about $25 more.

Receiver

Join club onkyo and save a few bucks as well.

http://www.shoponkyo...c...1&ext_war=1

Add some 16gauge wire and you should be good to go.
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« Reply #23 on: September 23, 2006, 07:33:00 PM »

I got my stereo off E-bay for $250 shipped.  It's a Kenwood HTB-707DV. Sure, it's a home theatre in a box, but I've had it about a year now and no complaints.  Awesome 6.1 surround sound and impressive bass for a HTIB.  

Specs at yahoo shopping   http://tech.yahoo.co...07dv/1991477118
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« Reply #24 on: September 29, 2006, 04:05:00 PM »

Here's my dime on the subject.

There's a big issue that I have with those who couple decent equal power receivers with "home theater in a box" speakers and swear by it.

There are some boxed systems that sound great, I will admit and for the money you can't beat the prices that are out there just to get some halfway decent 5.1 in your house.

The thing is that many folks who own say a Kenwoon 7.1 THX Select reciever, will put sizable speakers up front and then tiny speakers for center and surround.  This is an obscene waste of such a reciever's capabilities(and many like it, Yamaha, Zenith, Onkyo(mid ranged), etc, to name a few).  Those receiver amps are equal power.  
That means equal power potential to each channel.

There's a misconception that somehow the rear channels and center channels are somehow dryer and eq'd at the amp to be strictly supplementary in nature.  Those of you with one of the mid ranged 5.1 or 7.1 systems, toss some big speakers in the rear as an experiment and you'll soon see that full power, rull range will emerge beautifully from the rear channels.  In addition to that, those who use tiny speakers(I'm talking to you Bose users) are missing out on a great amount of sonic detail that is included in dvd's and games.

Bose's solution to this is make a wide-ranged sub and tiny drivers for high frequencies and directional focus.  

The best way to do it is have large speakers at all corners, perferably equal in size and frequency response.  They don't have to be insane home theater speakers they can just be regular shelf speakers with 8" drivers.  The bigger though, the greater the headroom and the better it will sound overall.

My setup is a Denon 4306 with Klipsch F3's up front, F2's in the rear and a C3 for center channel.  I suppose I'm a Klipsch fanboy but I got a real great deal on them.

Music is fantastic, Movies and games are insane.  The system is extremely well matched to the amp they are connected to.  However, my setup obviously isn't cheap and obviously isn't for everyone so I'm not preaching it.

There are however certain elements you can include in your setup even if you're on a budget.

Peace.
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« Reply #25 on: November 23, 2006, 10:40:00 PM »

Really this isn't a forum that allows for a deep discussion on HT setup. I recommend a website such as AVSFORUM. However a few things I've learned (and I've put some serious cash into my speakers and receiver):

If you want your games to be loud and in surround and that's it, there is a lot out there that is good an cheap. Probably fine for gaming but if you want great music you will need to upgrade later. Check DEALNEWS for a good rundown on current promotions from various sites.

The ATHENAs are well regarded and a step up from that, proably possible to put together a good musical package for the $300 range.

For not to much more HSU makes phenominal subwoofers for not much and they have a package deal with surrounds that would probably satisfy most for a long time, certainly likely to be better than low to midrange products by sony, jbl and the like. Not much might be closer to $550 all up and in but at least you would have a sub that would rival subs costing over a grand.

My setup is an HSU sub plus speakers that run close to $800 each. But I don't expect I will have to upgrade them for another couple of decades.

The thing with speaker is they make the most difference of any HT single component. Pay a little now and if you care about your music a lot like I do and you will just have to pay more later.

I would really go with the HSU setup if you can swing it, otherwise might as well go cheap and consider it a temporary investment.
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« Reply #26 on: December 13, 2006, 02:29:00 PM »

I have a definitive technology setup, bit pricey, but got hell  of a deal, there to loud for an apt ;x i rock da block, i got king kong in da trunk ;x

call ultima electronics or www.definitivetechnology.com
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« Reply #27 on: December 26, 2006, 02:19:00 PM »

Hey I got the
   
Pioneer 600W 5.1-Channel Home Theater System for Xbox 360.
Model: HTS-GS1

Its great, sound is good awesome, built in receiver, matches the look and feel of the xbox 360, 2 optical inputs, and comes with a media center universal remote that controls your xbox , pioneer system and tv.

The TV I am using to compliment  my xbox and sound system is the Olevia 537H 37" LCD TV running xbox 360 at 1080i.  Great TV!
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« Reply #28 on: January 03, 2007, 07:34:00 PM »

After much searching I decided on the Onkyo HT-S790 at Circuit City for $409. Can't beat it for a 1000w 7.1 system at that price. It sounds really, really good hooked up to the 360 with GoW pumping at high volume.
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« Reply #29 on: February 09, 2007, 08:38:00 AM »

i have some really nice logitec ones.  6.1 surround sound, they work really good, sound great, and if i remember right, they cost a little over $100.  maybe $150.
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