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[hignaki]

Well, it sounds like you're terrified of not having "rich blacks".  Sadly, that means your options are quite limited if you're going to be that picky about it, because you just ruled out pretty much every product even related to LCDs (Flat panels, projectors, rear-projection televisions...)

[paranoia4422]

QUOTE(hignaki @ May 12 2006, 01:07 AM)

Well, it sounds like you're terrified of not having "rich blacks".  Sadly, that means your options are quite limited if you're going to be that picky about it, because you just ruled out pretty much every product even related to LCDs (Flat panels, projectors, rear-projection televisions...)

I said im willing to give up blacks to an extent, but LCD doesnt have black it has greys

QUOTE(xboxexpert @ May 12 2006, 01:55 AM)

If you've got 900 save another 300 and get this.  I had the 27" Version and LOVED IT!   Now I'm rocking a 100" Projector screen.  NEC VT670

-xboxexpert

Um id rather get a 42inch dlp for that price

[twistedsymphony]

QUOTE(xboxexpert @ May 11 2006, 08:55 PM)

If you've got 900 save another 300 and get this.  I had the 27" Version and LOVED IT!   Now I'm rocking a 100" Projector screen.  NEC VT670

-xboxexpert

WOW that's an awesome LCD at an awesome price...  

QUOTE(paranoia4422 @ May 12 2006, 05:54 AM)

Um id rather get a 42inch dlp for that price

I loathe RPTVs with a firey passion. It's got all the negative effects of using a projector (needs a darker room, bulb life, rainbow effects) but none of the benifits (80+ in screen and a paper thing form factor)

for a display going on my living room for general use I'd take a 32" LCD over a 42" RPDLP any day...

[lowendfrequency]

Basically, with the stipulations you've just listed... you are out of the market for an HDTV because the one you want doesn't exist.    For $900 your choices are basically a CRT, RPLCD, DLP or Flat Panel LCD.  

CRT's have the best picture and contrast, but generally don't reach resolutions higher than 720p (there are exceptions I believe, but costly) and they are huge and heavy.

RPLCDs are just a cheaper and cruddier form the the LCD technology.  Yeah, lets take an LCD, make it bulkier and add the hassle of a bulb and poor viewing angle. Brilliant! [/end sarcasm]

DLPs are hit or miss.  I personally don't like them, but they aren't bad enough to simply write off.  They still suffer from rainbow effects, delay and poor viewing angles... but they do have a decent picture.

LCD's in my opinion are the way to go.  For $999 you could get a 32" widescreen Polaroid LCD with components, HDMI and VGA inputs.  Decent response times and acceptable contrast ratios.  Sure the blacks won't be as oil-slick as the CRT... but just as good as the other listed technologies.

[paranoia4422]

i could def stretch $1100, but id go direct view CRT years before LCD of the same size, but i dunno motion blur on all 360 games sends scanline artifacts crazy so mabey i have no other choice

[paranoia4422]

I was looking in sams club today and they had a 720p $999 47" dlp samgung set with stand, i was ready to buy it but i was watching it next to the 3lcd sony wega and besides noticing while brighter it was more washed out compared to the 3lcd set but it was extremely blurry and for some reason gave me a weird feeling when watching it(i cant remember the model number but it started with h and had the numbers 47 and 55 in it)i did auto focus and compared them again and still when this closeup of a black mans face came up you could see every little bump and pore on it but the dlp it was just all blurred over, possibly because its a wobulated tv?

[Foe-hammer]

Getting true blacks with good LCD's is not a problem, the problem with LCD's is the black levels.  That being said, if your in the market for a 30+ HDTV, an LCD is the best way to go, imo.  THe best for the price is a Westinghouse LVM-37W3.  It is a 37"er, 1080p native res, HDMI, 2 DVI, 2 Component, 1 S-VIdeo, and 1 composite.  All for around $1600.

[thax]

I personally have a 40" LCD with a light sensor, the blacks are better than CRT because of the dynamic adjustment of the bulb brightness. The black and white levels are acceptable, but there is definately some limitations in this area, but in my opinion there is more of a problem on the white side. When viewing the two displays side by side in the dark, the black on the CRT is a light green, and the LCD is a dark purple. That is using exaggerated color names, both displays look nearly black. I imagine if you were to turn the brightness down on the CRT it would be much better, but then you need to manually turn it up during the day which isn't worth the effort to do everyday.

The primary problem with the LCD is slight motion blur with an 8ms display, it is hard to notice the bluring but I do notice clarity decrease when the screen is in motion. It doesn't effect gameplay in any way, for example I can't notice any blurring whatsoever in geometry wars, so it could be a console or brain thing rather than a display issue. I don't see any "scanline artifacts", but then again I am not sure what those are.

I dislike rear projection of any sort, to me they look dull an dingy during the day. I couldn't go plasma because I like watching 4x3 programming using the correct aspect ratio.

[paranoia4422]

QUOTE(thax @ May 15 2006, 05:47 PM)

I personally have a 40" LCD with a light sensor, the blacks are better than CRT because of the dynamic adjustment of the bulb brightness. The black and white levels are acceptable, but there is definately some limitations in this area, but in my opinion there is more of a problem on the white side. When viewing the two displays side by side in the dark, the black on the CRT is a light green, and the LCD is a dark purple. That is using exaggerated color names, both displays look nearly black. I imagine if you were to turn the brightness down on the CRT it would be much better, but then you need to manually turn it up during the day which isn't worth the effort to do everyday.

The primary problem with the LCD is slight motion blur with an 8ms display, it is hard to notice the bluring but I do notice clarity decrease when the screen is in motion. It doesn't effect gameplay in any way, for example I can't notice any blurring whatsoever in geometry wars, so it could be a console or brain thing rather than a display issue. I don't see any "scanline artifacts", but then again I am not sure what those are.

I dislike rear projection of any sort, to me they look dull an dingy during the day. I couldn't go plasma because I like watching 4x3 programming using the correct aspect ratio.

if you wanna see scan lines hook up a system to a SD tv, find an edge to focus on in the game and turn fast and hold that speed(not to fast that you cant see wats going on) and on my tv these scanlines and be half a CM long, when turning the ruin the quality of everything and there everywhere on motion blur games which i despise

I was looking at a 50inch DLP RCA but it seems RCA's build quality is down right horrible and there products often break.

[paranoia4422]

I went desperate and was on the edge and about to jump into a 32inch westinghouse LCD when i saw the hitachi 51f59 for $999, this years model of the 51f510 that i missed out on!! Im going to pay in cash tommorrow for it to be delivered.

Im going to be buying Avia calibration disk and im wondering is it bad that im going to be using the xbox360 to do it? I dont really have any other choice as far as DVD players go.

[paranoia4422]

And sams lied, the 47inch "DLP" samsung was really a 47inch CRT RPTV(hc-r4755w) that was poorly calibrated sitting next to a LCD projection, I've seen the same set claimed to be DLP at bestbuy just because its so small people cannot believe its CRTRP, its funny watching guys at bestbuy recommend it as its new technology and CRT is old news

[VinnySem]

IMHO, any quality TV, regardless of display type, will give you great picture quality if calibrated properly with Avia or DVE. I have a 50" Samsung DLP which doesn't suffer from any of the rainbow effects that are associated with the spinning color wheel. I have it calibrated with Avia, and the picture quality is, to me, fantastic.

IMO when buying a TV the issues that you should concern yourself with are sufficient number of inputs, succeptability to burn-in, and functional features that you may want/need such as cablecard or built in HDTV OTA tuner.

I don't spend time fretting about my DLP's black levels not being absolute when I'm dodging sniper fire in GRAW.

[gamerguy999]

Just make sure that the room you are putting it in is able to be dark. IF it is, you won't have any problems with the "mirror" affect.

[sidewinder33]

I have a westinghouse 30" and I love it. Heres a 32" with very good stats here
LCD is the new "in" tv hop on the bandwagon

[sidewinder33]

8ms response time is hard to ghost. I only notice it when I play halo 2 with my console set at 1080i, as soon as I go to 720p no trace of ghosting, at all. And if you really don't want ghosting or the fat tv go with plasma, the new generation plasmas are incredible. crt response time, hundreds of times the contrast and none of the size, the only problem is the cost $$$