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[SteveOA]

back to the orignal question, what do you guys think looks better on your setup 720p or 1080i.  And for futher info what is your setup?

[Foe-hammer]

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Did you know that the PS2 supports 1080i?

do you know how many games support 1080i..... 1

that's right 1 games supports it. Because Sony didn't set any standards for their developers in terms of resolution...

As was mentioned, there is no way the ps2 could ever do true 1080i in game.  All it was was upscaled 480i, or maybe 480p.

A better example is the xbox 1, sure it supported 1080i natively, but only about 5 games ever supported it, and those games were fairly simple ports to boot.

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The 360 will never do 1080p.

Thank you MS.  Where in the hell did you get this info from?  First of all, MS said that the 360 could do 1080p, but they did not see it as an important res to support at this time, but said that they may in the future.  Second, the 360 would be more capable of doing a game in 1080p then the ps3, according to a ps3/360 developer here on this forum (m_heal).

[redwolf]

QUOTE(SteveOA @ Jan 20 2006, 06:00 AM)

back to the orignal question, what do you guys think looks better on your setup 720p or 1080i.  And for futher info what is your setup?

how many of this same topic you want and how many times you want people to answer them.
this dephend on your TV model, resolution, size, type of display etc. and at least what YOU see looks best may look poor for another person.

this is just 2 page back
http://forums.xbox-s...howtopic=479295

there are more in this site and many other forums, just google it. please...

[twistedsymphony]

Whenever I see someone ask if 720p or 1080i is better I want to stab myself in the eye with an ice-pick....

The question is just fundamentally flawed...

The best resolution to run is the one closest to the native resolution of your device... plain and simple.

if you're trying to choose between two displays then pick the one with the resolution closest to your source devices natural output.

To put it plainly If you have your source output matched to the native resolution of the display you get the best possible picture on that display, anything below OR ABOVE that and  you begin to loose quality.

The question has too many variable to answer outright in anything less then a text book dedicated to the subject. In general people will side with the resolution supported by their display and fight tooth and nail it's the best, as if they have to defend their purchase decision.

In most cases if you showed someone two displays and one was running in 720p while the other 1080i most people couldn't tell the difference and just guess...

[ASTHMATIC]

lol nice name jizz breath

[Mikeizzle]

Wow, i love how at the mere mention of the PS3, this turned into a PS3 bashing topic. W/E please continue. But what im curious to know, is, you know you can tell the diffrence from 480p to 720p, but will you tell the diffrence in 1080p even though you cant tell the diffrence in 1080i?

[thax]

QUOTE(Mikeizzle @ Feb 5 2006, 03:45 AM)

Wow, i love how at the mere mention of the PS3, this turned into a PS3 bashing topic. W/E please continue. But what im curious to know, is, you know you can tell the diffrence from 480p to 720p, but will you tell the diffrence in 1080p even though you cant tell the diffrence in 1080i?

It would be possible to tell the difference from 720p to 1080p if you had a display with a native resolution of 1920x1080. Most people can't tell the difference between 720p and 1080i because their display device only has a native resolution of 720p or 1080i. Keep in mind that the pixel counts of 720p and 1080i60 are very similar.

If you have a 1080i display:
When someone toggles 720p on their console when thier native display is 1080i, the television internally converts the 720p to 1080i. When they toggle the x360 to output to 1080i, it internally converts the 720p frame to two 1080i fields. What this comes down to is do you think that the x360 or the television can do a better job of converting the signal?

If you have a 720p display:
720p output will always give you the best results. This is because the process of converting 720p to 1080i and back again results in a loss of some information.

I don't think many people understand that even though their television says "1080p" it doesn't mean that it will display full 1080p resolution. Most displays simply don't have a high enough native resolution to display this mode.

[CattyKid]

Does anyone else's TV support 480p and 1080i, but NOT 720p?  I find it very odd that mine doesn't.
My friend keeps trying to tell me it does support 720p (he thinks he knows everything), to which I reply, "No, it doesn't."  Then he tells me, "It must."  Then, I utter an obscenity and leave.
Does anyone else think that this is weird?  It's a 4 (?) year old Panasonic widescreen.

[kdx80boy]

Almost all hdtv's support 480i, 480p, 720p, and 1080i.  However, if you are on a crt hdtv like me, it will make it 1080i even if you are watching a 720p program (so yes, technically mine displays 1080i and 480p and not 720p).  So in a way, you are both right.

[Kernal69er]

QUOTE(CattyKid @ Feb 5 2006, 03:16 PM)

Does anyone else's TV support 480p and 1080i, but NOT 720p?  I find it very odd that mine doesn't.
My friend keeps trying to tell me it does support 720p (he thinks he knows everything), to which I reply, "No, it doesn't."  Then he tells me, "It must."  Then, I utter an obscenity and leave.
Does anyone else think that this is weird?  It's a 4 (?) year old Panasonic widescreen.

If its 4 years old, chances are it is a CRT TV and doesn't display 720p (note I didn't say support) Because it will accept 720p and scale to 1080i

almost all CRT TVs only display 480p & 1080i but will accept 720p and scale to 720p

[scooby_dooby]

QUOTE(Kenosto004 @ Jan 19 2006, 06:41 PM)

Thnx because my big debate is if I should drop 3 grand and get 1080p since I will also be getting the ps3 and I hear it will support that. I figured if the 1080i I which is so much higher of a resolution than 720p (1920x1080 vs 1280x720) didnt have that much of a difference visually than how much better will 1080p look? Does anyone know if it would be 3 grand better? Money isnt the issue its more or less I dont want to spend it just to say I have 1080p I want there to be a signifigant difference.

Just a word to the wise, 99% of current '1080p' TV's are not true native 1080p displays.  They take 1080i input's and deinterlace them to create a 1080p image. So if you really want a true 1080p TV set, you won't find one for $3000 for another couple of years. There are a handful of true 1080p TV's but they are just coming on market now...

With that said, don't believe the Sony marketing hype BS. The system is not really capable of rendering at 1080p(or 1080i they are the same from a developer standpoint), internal bandwidth on GPU is only 22.4GB/s there's no way they can handle 1080p framebuffers, i mean they could but they would have to sacrifice alot of the eye-candy of their game to do so. PS3 will do what X360 does for the most part, 720internally, scale up to 1080i or 1080p.

Basically a good 720p, or 1080i set is great, 1080p is not gonna get you much, it's more a marketing thing than anything, so there's a hot new toy out there for people to buy.

QUOTE(CattyKid @ Feb 5 2006, 09:16 PM)

Does anyone else's TV support 480p and 1080i, but NOT 720p?  I find it very odd that mine doesn't.
My friend keeps trying to tell me it does support 720p (he thinks he knows everything), to which I reply, "No, it doesn't."  Then he tells me, "It must."  Then, I utter an obscenity and leave.
Does anyone else think that this is weird?  It's a 4 (?) year old Panasonic widescreen.

There's OUTPUT and then there's INPUT.

Your TV supports 480p/720p/1080i INPUT.

It only support 480p/1080i OUTPUT.

Make sense?

Your friend is right.

[CattyKid]

QUOTE(scooby_dooby @ Feb 7 2006, 06:02 PM)

There's OUTPUT and then there's INPUT.

Your TV supports 480p/720p/1080i INPUT.

It only support 480p/1080i OUTPUT.

Make sense?

Your friend is right.

Sorry, let me rephrase that.  It doesn't support 720p INPUT.  It displays in 420p/1080i.  
So, I have my 360 hooked up to my TV.  Then, as I figured that 720p would look best with motion and that's what most games are native to, I set the Xbox 360 output to 720p.  I just get a black picture on my TV.  After 10 seconds, it goes to the 360 dashboard, as it is supposed to because I didn't apply the setting.  Then, I set it to 1080i, which works fine.  Then, I set to 480p, which is fine but obviously not the best resolution.
So, I try 720p again with the same result.  So, now I'm just set at 1080i, which is fine with me.

After rephrasing that, does it make it more clear about my original question?  I could see it scaling from 720p to 1080i, but not displaying the 720p picture at all?  I think that's a little strange.

[prankfurter]

its common in older crt based HDTVs not to supprot 720p.

most modern HD CRTs have scalers that automatically convert 720p to 1080i

[CattyKid]

QUOTE(prankfurter @ Feb 12 2006, 07:20 PM)

its common in older crt based HDTVs not to supprot 720p.

most modern HD CRTs have scalers that automatically convert 720p to 1080i

Okay, thanks for the help.

[Mysoundhurts]

wrong it will and it does, i have the hddvd player and am seeing it do 1080p right now.