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[gamerguy999]

Does it do the same thing when you have the Xbox360 hooked to the TV with the composite cables instead of component?

[ferrari_rulz_02]

well, from teh description you have given, i would say that the 360 is outputtign a widescreen video, and the tv, notbeing widescreen, crops the left and right of the screen.

i think you can only get high def with widescreen, so you will either have to go back to non-high-def, or put up with the cropping

[ferrari_rulz_02]

QUOTE(ShogunProphet @ Dec 20 2005, 05:31 AM)

When I use the regular composite cables no cropping occurs.... i think thats pretty shitty if you have to have a widescreen hdtv to really be able to see everything.

yeah well it is becasue all hdtv resolutions are widescreen. and trust me, once you have polayed on a widescreen tv, you will come to realise just how bad 4:3 really is

[ferrari_rulz_02]

QUOTE(ShogunProphet @ Dec 20 2005, 05:51 PM)

I realize all hdtv is widescreen, 16x9 hdtvs are just as bs as 4:3 tv's though because there is no universal format for widescreen dvd's so you end up with black bars no matter what, so i bought a 4:3 since the majority of tv stations dont broadcast in hdtv yet. its a 4 year old set. the problem is that with any other signal hd or not ive put into it ive never had clipping occur. And i have played on a widescreen tv.... it looks no different visual quality wise, just no clipping.

- jon

well with regards to widescreen dvd's - there are standards.
most are 1.83:1, or whatever it is, that gives you black bars on a widescreen tv. that is there for a reason.

and you wont get better quality on a widewsrceen hdtv, because your tv is hd.... (logic??)

as i said before, the reason why the tv isnt showing all the picture, is that the xbox is outputting a widescreen video, and the tv is cropping it so that it can show you the picture in 'full screen'.
if you want it so that there are black bars, either change the setting on your tv (if it has one), or dont use the HD outputs from the xbox, and set it so that you have a 4:3 tv.

[trey85stang]

this makes me sad..  I have a 4:3 hdtv too  there isn't even a way to get the black bars so that it looks correct?

[ShogunProphet]

the black bars are there, its a small portion of the screen on both sides is being cut off, like they didnt frame it correctly or build in an adjustment for 4:3 hdtv's. I sent them and email about it, ill post it if I get a reply. I may give em a call too.

- jon

[BlueCop]

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any other signal hd or not ive put into it ive never had clipping occur

I bet the other HD signals you have output are designed with the TV crop in mind. a great way to test this would be to hook up a computers DVI port to your tv if you have a hdmi or DVI port and output 720p and 1080i. ATi has a great calibration tool with their video cards to tell exactly how much the tv is croping and lowers the resolution to fit it perfectly

This might be a problem with the game developers using hdtvs for development that have very little croping thus not noticing the problem(or rushing development wiht not enough testing). Ethier way there should be a tv calibration similar to xbmc for the 360 so the output could be scaled to the visible image. It would be good if ms included a universal calibration where all games would scale to the visible image so people didn't have to calibrate with a service menu.

If you want more information on the service menus for sony tvs go to avsforum.com  and do some searches there is a great thread on it for my tv and many others.

Hope i was of some help. PEACE

Oh my god i can't beleive i got through all that. i have this fat blunt waiting on my desk of the most THC covered herb i have ever smoked. You're just lucky i was able to resist =P

[ferrari_rulz_02]

QUOTE(BlueCop @ Dec 23 2005, 06:16 PM)

It would be good if ms included a universal calibration where all games would scale to the visible image so people didn't have to calibrate with a service menu.

that would be a very good feature.

of course trhe alternative to this, where you wouldnt have this problem, is to use a tv with a vga input.

[ferrari_rulz_02]

QUOTE(BlueCop @ Dec 25 2005, 08:24 PM)

i think the gaming console should conform to my tv and not that other way around.

and your dead right. the idea of console gaming is so that you dont have to upgrade your equiptment all the time.

but i do belive that this generation, marked as the 'high definition generation', should warrant you buying a new tv.

because the 360 will do up to 1080i, and most games supporting it, i believe it is a great time to get in and buy a brand new high defintion televison. it is not money wasted if you look at it from teh perspective that in the next few years, all television will be digital, and HD version of almost all conetent will eb aviable.

when you think about it, although expensive, it is a great time and great oportunity to upgrade your assets

[ShogunProphet]

problem is i do have an hdtv.... so it should work just like any other hd station and just let me view it in letter box on my 4:3 hdtv. So I did some testing... plugged the 360 into a few different widescreen hdtv's on certain widescreen tv's slight... and i mean slight clipping does occur which leads me to believe they completly left out and sort of scaling in the 360.... even $20 dvd players can scale correctly.... not the best move. Im going to try to get images of a certain menu in a game that shows the entire frame and have people compare theirs to that so we can compile a list of tv's that are compatible with the 360 in regards to showing the entire image, basically any 4:3 tv would not be on that list hd or not. But the widescreens are what im wondering about. Time to get a new tv!

- jon

[ferrari_rulz_02]

good detailed explanation BlueCop. and yoru right, there are people who ask for help, they when they get someone who says "hop on over to [random site x] and looka round, you will find what you are looking for", they ignore it.

so ShogunProphet, did his post help?

[trey85stang]

I checked this out on my 4:3 hdtv,  started useing the 360 on chistmas.    There is a very very small crop on my tv.. but it is small maybe 2 pixels on each side at most.   Nothing that affects gameplay in the slightest

[BlueCop]

make an image and that is 720x480 and make squares every 5 pixels in or so and mark them. then author a DVD slide show and you will see your tv is cropping it. just because you can't tell doesn't mean it isn't there. you could also hook up a computer with a DVI port like i said before. ethier would prove to you croping in your problem. i am very sure of this because all sonys crts come with a good amount of croping by default.

Edit: something even simpler would be to output a 1080i and 720p signal with your xbox1 and use XBMC to calibrate and see how much cropping is occuring. if you don't think any is occuring then you're wrong.

also what is your tv model number. you know for this database you're starting. I have doxens of service manuals for modern tvs but they aren't much help to the average guy because it doesn't give details of the service menu settings. if you can cancel your service manual order i can probably get you the pdf for your tv.

PEACE later

[ferrari_rulz_02]

QUOTE(ShogunProphet @ Dec 28 2005, 08:26 AM)

2) if i set up my tv for the 360 ill have no clipping issues.... but im having no clipping issues with dvds or anything like that... so how will that affect my dvds and regular tv viewing?

well i belive that there is a calibration issue. you can probably set each a/v input up seperatly, and thus it will only affect the 360.

but it would be interesting to see if there is clipping on your other inputs - i bet there is, you just havent noticed it

[ferrari_rulz_02]

QUOTE(ShogunProphet @ Dec 29 2005, 03:53 AM)

If I were to make a 720x480 image and use the slideshow feature on the TV with the memory stick, would that work?

yes it would work, but only if that resoulation is the resolution of the tv. if its not make a slide show that i an exact resolution of the tv, and try that

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