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[corkinator]

Good points

[FooLiP]

QUOTE(ferrari_rulz_02 @ Dec 3 2005, 05:03 AM)

i think you will find that 720p and 1080i are both NTSC standards,a nd thus they are only avialble in 60hz

this is simply not true.

first of all NTSC is 480i, it is not a standard for HDTV modes. it is simply the 480i system used in the US and other countries. Don't use it to describe HDTV standards, as it simply shows lack of comprehension, and confuses those coming here for information.


secondly 720p and 1080 certainly do come in 50Hz and 60Hz.

[OEM]

QUOTE(Joergen @ Dec 3 2005, 05:00 AM)

First, all former dutch, french and UK imperial colonies are PAL, so that includes all of africa, middle-east, india and china.

And HD specs are NOT NTSC since they do not use the NTSC color system but RGB via MPEG2 TS. Only an interlaced RF and Video composite carries NTSC. In fact S-Video isnt NTSC either. So there  

Japan, Brazil, USA and Canada = NTSC.
Rest of the world = PAL.

NTSC is not a color system. It's 525 horisontal lines displayed 60 times per second, and that's it. PAL is 625/50. Same bandwidth. NTSC is the superior system, unless you enjoy getting a headache from the low refresh flicker. Both S-Video and RGB are NTSC if 525/60.

And MPEG2 TS is not RGB but YUV

[OEM]

QUOTE(FooLiP @ Dec 3 2005, 10:39 AM)

secondly 720p and 1080 certainly do come in 50Hz and 60Hz.

Well he did mention 1080i / 50Hz HDTV channels in Europe...

[ferrari_rulz_02]

QUOTE(corkinator @ Dec 3 2005, 04:02 PM)

You mean component tv don't you?

no, i meant composite.

if you run 480i/p on a monitor, then turn around and play the same thing via composite on a nomrla tv, the normal tv will win for picture quality hands down.

[corkinator]

Sorry ferrari but you must have used some crappy vga adapter when seeing an Xbox on a monitor. 90% of them out there do indeed suck. Something like the X2VGA running an Xbox on a monitor is clearly better than a regular tv with composite. There is no question.

[ferrari_rulz_02]

QUOTE(fahrenheit @ Dec 4 2005, 07:49 PM)

Absolutely no one will back you on that opinion. Especially in the case of 480p.

Replace eyes immediately.  

QUOTE(corkinator @ Dec 4 2005, 10:35 PM)

Sorry ferrari but you must have used some crappy vga adapter when seeing an Xbox on a monitor. 90% of them out there do indeed suck. Something like the X2VGA running an Xbox on a monitor is clearly better than a regular tv with composite. There is no question.

well guys, with the way i have it set up, it looks shit 720p and 1080i are awesome, but 480p is horrible

[twistedsymphony]

QUOTE(Joergen @ Dec 2 2005, 10:05 AM)

Please somebody with a PAL unit try to CONFIRM if there are 50 and 60hz modes available for 720p.

It would be total murder to have to run them at 50hz so you get 25fps instead of 30 in games like PGR3 which is a considerable drop in the frame rate when you have so few to work with.

Logic would say the PAL games have to support 60hz for VGA since 50hz high VGA modes dont exist. But as always developers are thick as a bricks and dont know to even add 25/30fps intro videos into their games to keep them from stuttering.  

Actually if your're running 720p at 50Hz you're capped at 50FPS not 25, because it's progressive scan...

If you were running 1080i at 50Hz it would be capped at 25 because it's interlaced.

So if you're running 720p you're FPS cap is much higher than what most games are rendering anyway.

[ferrari_rulz_02]

well correct me if im wrong, but arnt most movies captured at 25fps?

so that means anything more is a difference not visible to the eye...

[jansmusix]

i had my 360
   on hdtv at 480 720 and 1080 on pal system works all fine

[fahrenheit]

OEM, here is something for you to try.

Choose 720p and load up a game that is 60Hz, then reboot and go to the dash and select 480p. According to some people 480p will now truely be 480p! (as for switching to 720p in your case, you may have to insert the green component cable into a composite input on your projector or a TV and hope you get a stable black and white image).

If you switch the component cable over to 'TV' setting then back to 'HDTV' again, the console is said to default back to 576p again.

The fact that 576p is there but mislabelled seems to suggest that it was a bit of a last minute hackjob. At this stage, we need someone with all of the equipment and know-how to systematically test and publish the results.

720p/1080i @ 50 and 60Hz is said to be software selected, so a game like Halo PAL plays in 720p@50Hz.

I am only going by what I have cobbled together from others in the UK, as I don't have a console yet. But weither I get an NTSC or PAL console and which HDTV I buy depends greatly on establishing this info.

[ferrari_rulz_02]

i dont really get what the fuss is about, theres no new argument here that is specific to teh 360. they are all 'standards', even if not use commonly