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[Chancer]

Instead of all this bullshit. What if everyone unhappy with Halo 3 was offered their money back to return the game?
Not one of you would return .
The game is massively popular for what it is and the sales figures show that.
Now if they were going to court for the frame rate and slowdown issues on PES2008 fair enough, but H3 plays great and the people signing on for this action are not so pissed off that they will give it up.
The resolution figures mean nothing if the game is addictive, playable and looks good. It does all those things.

[DeMoN_DARREN]

QUOTE(appleman76 @ Dec 9 2007, 09:10 AM)

It still looks amazing.  Get the f@*^ over it!

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[mercury187]

QUOTE(Chancer @ Dec 10 2007, 01:41 PM)

Instead of all this bullshit. What if everyone unhappy with Halo 3 was offered their money back to return the game?
Not one of you would return .
The game is massively popular for what it is and the sales figures show that.
Now if they were going to court for the frame rate and slowdown issues on PES2008 fair enough, but H3 plays great and the people signing on for this action are not so pissed off that they will give it up.
The resolution figures mean nothing if the game is addictive, playable and looks good. It does all those things.

Yes but its pretty lame to own a brand new LCD tv and then purchase a brand new video game that has standard definition-like black bars when you have more than 1 person play on your console. Thats my gripe. why should it make a difference if there are 2 people on your console, just cut the screen in half. That may not relate to the topic but to relate back to the topic and this post, having top of the line equipment and a video game that advertises as one but does not deliver then the creators should be punished. What if everyone advertised their games as high definition games and did not deliver either. I think this lawsuit is called for and should be a warning for future games to advertise them correctly and not throw a game out the door in sloppy condition.

This post has been edited by mercury187: Dec 10 2007, 09:58 PM

[unistyle]

Not that I care that much, but I am pretty shocked that more people are not mad about this and people are actually pissed that people are pissed about it.  I would not sign on to this lawsuit, and I don't want a refund of money or anything at all actually.  But still, like someone else said.. if I were to walk up to Best Buy and buy a 20 inch monitor, and then when I got home it was actually a 19 inch, and no where on the packaging it said anything about being a 19inch monitor.. Hell yeah I would be pissed about that.. I would be pissed if the 20inch monitor was a 20inch monitor but the native resolution was lower than what was advertised.. I don't care if the monitor looks freaking great in person.. If it was not what was advertised and there was absolutely no indication before purchasing, that is false advertisement, plain and simple.  This is no different .. and anyone who would not be pissed about their nice new 20 inch monitor having a lower native resolution than what was on the box is freaking lying..

Let me say this again.. I don't even care that the pixels aren't there, and I don't want anything for free, but even I'm not so blind as to not see what is wrong with what bungie did.  this was definetly false advertising.

[punkshot20]

from: http://forum.beyond3...t=43330&page=38

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XBOX360.

COD2 - 1280x720
COD3 - 630P?
COD4 - 1024x600 (2xAA)
Halo 3 -1152x640
PGR3 - 1024x600 (2xAA)
PGR4 - 1280x720 (2xAA)
PDZ - 1140x640
Ridge Racer 6 - 1440x810 (WTF?)
Gears of War - 1280x720
Bioshock - 1280x720
Skate - 1280x720 (2xAA)
GRAW2 - 1280x720 (2xAA)
TH:PG - 1280x720
Tomb Raider (legends?) - 1024x600
NBA street 1920x1080 (4xAA)
Virtua Tennis 3 - 1920x1080 (2xAA)
TH:P8 - 1040x585 (2xAA)
Jericho - 1280x720
FIFA08 - 1280x720 (2xAA)
Forza 2 - 1280x720 (2xAA)
Call of Juarez 1280x720
DiRT - 1280x720
Conan - 1024x576
VF5 - 1024x1024 (2xAA)
MotoGP3 - 1280x1024
Oblivion (non GOTY edition) 1024x600 (2xAA)
Oblivion (GOTY edition) 1280x720 (2xAA)
Assassin's Creed 1280x720 (2xAA)
Mass Effect (2xAA???)
Orange Box - 1280x720 (not sure about this, would love some clarification)
Viva Pinata - 1280x720 (2xAA)
MX vs ATV - 1280x720
WWE 1280x720
NFS Protstreet - 1280x720 (4xAA)

PS3.

GT:HD - 1280x720(2xAA) and 1440x1080
GT:5/GT:5P - 1280x720 (4xAA) and 1280x1080 (2xAA)
Superstar dust:HD - 1280x1080
Heavenly Sword - 1280x720 (4xAA)
Virtua Tennis 3 - 1920x1080 (2xAA)
Restiance Fall of Man - 1280x720 (2xAA)
Ninja Gaiden Sigma demo - 1280x720
Ridge Racer 7 demo - 1920x1080
Rub'a'dub demo - 1600x1080
The darkness demo - 1024x576
Blast Factor demo - 1920x1080
Full Auto 2 demo - 1920x1080 (4xAA)
Harry Potter - 1280x720 (2xAA) and 2560x720
Pixel Junk Racers - 1920x1080
Skate - 1536x864
GRAW 2 - 1280x720
TH:PG - 1024x600
Locroroco Cocoreccho - 1920x1080 (2XAA)
TH:P8 - 1280x720
Go Puzzle - 1920x1080
Sudoku - 1920x1080
Motorstorm 1280x720 (2xAA)
COD4 - 1024x600 (2xAA)
FIFA 08 - 1280x720
Jericho - 996x560
Uncharted - 1280x720 (2xAA)
Ratchet and Clank - 1280x720 (2xAA)
DiRT - 1280x720
F1 - 1280x720 (2xAA)
VF5 - 1024x1024
Def Jam:Icon 1152x648
Marvel: Ultimate Alliance - 1920x1080
Transformers - 960x1080
Pirates of the Caribbean - 768x1080
Oblivion - 1280x720 (2xAA)
Timeshift 1280x720
Assassin's Creed 1280x720 (2xAA)
MX vs ATV - 1024x576
WWE - 640x720 (2xAA)
NFS Prostreet 1280x720 (2xQAA) (seems EA is finally pulling their weight)

[mlmadmax]

QUOTE(mercury187 @ Dec 10 2007, 12:55 PM)

Yes but its pretty lame to own a brand new LCD tv and then purchase a brand new video game that has standard definition-like black bars when you have more than 1 person play on your console. Thats my gripe. why should it make a difference if there are 2 people on your console, just cut the screen in half. That may not relate to the topic but to relate back to the topic and this post, having top of the line equipment and a video game that advertises as one but does not deliver then the creators should be punished. What if everyone advertised their games as high definition games and did not deliver either. I think this lawsuit is called for and should be a warning for future games to advertise them correctly and not throw a game out the door in sloppy condition.

The black bars are there on purpose, they are to allow the correct aspect ratio on a widescreen tv and they have nothing whatsoever to do with the games resolution. It was a choice by bunjie and while some may not prefer that way of doing it I think it is correct and actually prefer it to a zoomed in or stretched screen.

[darth_jarret]

QUOTE(xboxmodder4life @ Dec 9 2007, 03:30 AM)

they will never win this lawsuit

from bungie.net




they use the two frame buffers so they can argue they actaully are giving you more then 720 vertical lines of resolution. Even so the final output of the signal is up to 1080p is not misleading because the final output resolution is that. This is because the xbox360 upscales everything...So this lawsuit has absolutely no feet to stand on. These lawyers do not understand what a frame buffer is let alone how two work together so i doubt they will even be able to go after bungie when bungie brings in their lead programmer to explain to them in the most technical terms how this works. The lawyers obviousbly havent done their research at all.

i was about to qoute that same article. and just cause I've always wanted to say this: HERE HERE!

[xboxhaxorz]

this is funny how many people seem to ignore the fact that they were lied to just because the game plays great due to the massive multiplayer audience

the fact is yes you were lied to but saying the game plays great is not an excuse any logical thinking person would realize that

if i am offered to return my game for 50$ i will not and saying those that do are driving production costs up for the next game hahahaha

2 points to that

there is no halo 4 at least im not aware of

they just made say $300 million tonite alone by releasing 3 measly maps

[feflicker]

What's next, suing because you get 59fps instead of 60? I can see a large group of people starting a petition to let Bungie know that what they did was wrong, but SUING? You sue in order to seek damages. I just don't believe these people are entitled to "damages"  

[Devedander]

QUOTE(Chancer @ Dec 10 2007, 09:41 PM)

Instead of all this bullshit. What if everyone unhappy with Halo 3 was offered their money back to return the game?
Not one of you would return .
The game is massively popular for what it is and the sales figures show that.
Now if they were going to court for the frame rate and slowdown issues on PES2008 fair enough, but H3 plays great and the people signing on for this action are not so pissed off that they will give it up.
The resolution figures mean nothing if the game is addictive, playable and looks good. It does all those things.

Chancer that's a flawed supposition... not the same falacy but just as wrong as "do you want to fight Iraq now on their soil or wait until they are murdering kids in your back yard?".  

This is where false advertising laws come into effect... you cannot knowingly advertise 15 ounces of something as 1 lb knowing that no one is going to bother driving back to the store to get a refund just because they are short 1 ounce.

Just because it's not wrong enough to go 100% the other way does not mean it should be acceptable and not met with punitive action.

Don't get me wrong, I am not a fan of class action lawsuits in general as they pretty much end up benefiting the lawyers more than anything and raising the prices for the rest of us to compensate for the loss of the company, but the principle is right.

Don't blatantly mislabel something, it's a slippery slope, arguments can be made by any number of people on just how wrong it is... the point is it's wrong, not how wrong, not what would you do wrong, not bad enough to give up what you bought wrong, it's just not right and businesses laws are made so that sort of slippery slope is not stepped on.

I am sorry Chancer, I usually agree with your point of view on things but this time you are off base.

QUOTE(feflicker @ Dec 12 2007, 07:09 PM)

What's next, suing because you get 59fps instead of 60?

Or getting a 4 cylinder when you were sold a V6?  Who cares! It still drives right! Come one!  

So you paid for casmier and you got synthetic, so what!  It keeps you warm right?  It looks nice right?

You paid for fillet and got sirloin?  Big deal, it's still meat, it's got protein, quit griping.

Yeah...

This post has been edited by Devedander: Dec 12 2007, 07:49 PM

[LockAndLoad]

QUOTE(Chancer @ Dec 10 2007, 01:41 PM)

Instead of all this bullshit. What if everyone unhappy with Halo 3 was offered their money back to return the game?
Not one of you would return .
The game is massively popular for what it is and the sales figures show that.
Now if they were going to court for the frame rate and slowdown issues on PES2008 fair enough, but H3 plays great and the people signing on for this action are not so pissed off that they will give it up.
The resolution figures mean nothing if the game is addictive, playable and looks good. It does all those things.

Pardon my opinion, but most of your statement is based on pure opinion!!  Yes, the game is popular, but resolution means nothing?!?!?...So, exactly what resolution WOULD actually be low enough to go and ask for your money back?  1224x768? 800x600? How about a good old 640x480?  There is a point to where your gonna say, "Holy criminy giblets this game looks like a$$!!".  That is YOUR breaking point.  Many gamers however have a much more attuned eye, if you will.  Hey I am by no means an expert, but you just gotta ask yourself the question, after you play 2 hours of COD 4 then pop in H3, "Why in the hell DOES H3 look so far inferior to COD 4?".

[Chancer]

QUOTE(LockAndLoad @ Dec 12 2007, 10:17 PM)

Pardon my opinion, but most of your statement is based on pure opinion!!  Yes, the game is popular, but resolution means nothing?!?!?...So, exactly what resolution WOULD actually be low enough to go and ask for your money back?  1224x768? 800x600? How about a good old 640x480?  There is a point to where your gonna say, "Holy criminy giblets this game looks like a$$!!".  That is YOUR breaking point.  Many gamers however have a much more attuned eye, if you will.  Hey I am by no means an expert, but you just gotta ask yourself the question, after you play 2 hours of COD 4 then pop in H3, "Why in the hell DOES H3 look so far inferior to COD 4?".

Everybody bought this game in droves (not me I don't like Halo). These very forums were full of hundreds of people telling us all how great this game was " better than anything about" and now suddenly because a bunch of get rich quick lawyers see a public body to ride, to get rich, you all think it's crap. 90 percent of the people would not even know the resolution was less than advertised or even care. The difference between the actual and advertised resolution is not huge either so don't act like it is in Monochrome or something.
You all begged for it's release, You all said how good it was and now it's not and looks shit over 80p difference.
 Pissing public money out on action like this is way over the top. The game does still look great. I have watched my mates play.
Problem is everyone these days wants to make a fast buck and ultimately the general public pays for ridiculous courtroom battles.
 I suggest you all take your copies back and demand a refund as you have been mis- sold the goods. After all it's crap isn't it?

[skEwb]

QUOTE(sunami88 @ Dec 10 2007, 03:20 PM)

Ok, so I was going to read the entire thread before replying to any one thing/person, but congrats, you made me change my mind. You sir, are a moron.

If Halo 3's resolution is all thats keeping you alive/happy with your life: Kill yourself.

Play the game and love it? Keep playing. Play the game and hate it? Return it. But suing over a minimal amount of screen space? You're just out for money.

The Halo 3 resolution is not what's keeping me happy and alive. I enjoyed the game just as much as anyone else did. I'm simply siding with the people filing the suit for false advertisement. If you had bothered to read it maybe you'd have more knowledge on the issue as well, but you decide to keep writing in your ignorant ways.

First you agree there is a "minimal amount of space" screen taken away then you're so angry people are filing a lawsuit over it ?  (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) You just made my point even more apparent. Thanks!

Almost forgot.. you're saying play the game and return it if you're not happy? Most places don't take back already opened games, that's why people want to be compensated via lawsuit and to also prevent this from being used by future game devs.

This post has been edited by skEwb: Dec 13 2007, 12:44 AM

[gcskate27]

i dont think i could think of a more frivolous lawsuit... it may well technically be false advertising, but so fucking what, the fault could swing either way... its not like bungie was trying to fool everyone, it was probably more so retards wouldnt get confused with the nonstandard display... anyone siding with the sue-er's is a fucking moron...

[Foe-hammer]

QUOTE(LockAndLoad @ Dec 12 2007, 03:17 PM)

... but you just gotta ask yourself the question, after you play 2 hours of COD 4 then pop in H3, "Why in the hell DOES H3 look so far inferior to COD 4?".

CoD4 support a lower native resolution then Halo 3, at 1024 x 600.  This was discovered by the same guy who busted Halo 3 for being 1152 x 640.

http://forum.beyond3...950#post1089950

So your point being?  This just proves that you and most others cannot even discern the difference when a game is at lower native resolution then 720p.  Plus there is many games that do support a native resolution lower then 720p.  The only reason Halo 3 is singled out and made such a big fuss over is because of its high profile.