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[Blackbolt]

What kind of low life scum bag do you have to be to try reclaim your money because the game is lacking 80 lines of detail? The game looks amazing in HD. The people that are sueing over this are pathetic, I mean this is disgusting, these people must have NO LIFES whatsoever if something like this has bothered them so much they have sought LEGAL action!!

I'm almost gobsmacked, pathetic... just utterly pathetic human beings responsible for this.

[jrl]

I do not agree with this lawsuit.

BTW it is the lawyers who are attempting to start this lawsuit, but when greedy people start to see dollar signs they might jump on it.  Fortunately for Bungies case, they have logged all the hours of every player who has played Halo 3.  "If you didnt like the game why did you play it so much?" is all that is needed to be asked.

I was disappointed by the graphics in the gameplay, but I really bought the game because I liked the Halo series.  If there was a sacrafice to resolution for gameplay I think it makes sense.  Can you imagine if the game slowed way down in a game or Rockets because of a little better resolution?

my .02 cents
-Joe

This post has been edited by Chancer: Dec 9 2007, 08:17 PM

[jimbobjim]

So why haven't the hard drive companies been sued for turning 1GB into 1000MB, so that their drives seem to have larger capacity?

For those that don't know 1GB=1024MB. That's why when you buy a 300GB hdd you lose 300x24MB or 7.2GB.

I find it strange how nothing has been done about this, yet people are gonna shaft bungie for nothing.

[Johnwinger]

They should also sue for the fact that they are also advertising "Leaderboards" on the box and there are NO Leaderboards.

Halo 3 is full of over-promise and under-deliver as well as false-advertisement.

[Chancer]

Why is it every thread has to be turned into a playground fight.
 the discussion is about the resolution of H3 and the lawsuit.
 Turn it into countries v countries and generalisations about types of people based on origin and the thread is finished.
If your post is missing don't re-make it

This post has been edited by Chancer: Dec 9 2007, 08:25 PM

[clp]

QUOTE(jimbobjim @ Dec 9 2007, 12:48 PM)

So why haven't the hard drive companies been sued for turning 1GB into 1000MB, so that their drives seem to have larger capacity?

For those that don't know 1GB=1024MB. That's why when you buy a 300GB hdd you lose 300x24MB or 7.2GB.

I find it strange how nothing has been done about this, yet people are gonna shaft bungie for nothing.

Bottom feeding trail lawyers already cross that one off their list.  Seagate settled.  Case was "Cho v. Seagate Technology (US) Holdings, Inc."  

The US needs tort reform badly; unfortunately the US senate is 60% lawyers. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

[irnchriz]

QUOTE(Puffer @ Dec 9 2007, 09:15 AM)

I'm not sue happy, in fact, this is the first lawsuit I will have ever joined.  However, I was very disappointed with the graphics in the game as it did seem very "blocky" at times when my tv overscanned to scale up to a 720p display.  If they had been honest in the first place I would have been happy.

I had the same problem with GT4 on the PS2 and the constant jitter that occured when you started a race.  We (gamers) wait a long time, and through several delays, for these games.  The least the game companies could do is let us know the truth about the graphics we are about to spend 60 - 80 dollars on.

I even went so far as to buy the legendary edition and got scratched disks that MS never decided to replace for me.  Just kinda bummed by the whole release.   However I won't go so far as to say that it was a horrible game like some others.  I thought it was a good story and a great play minus the graphics problems I had.

WTF are you talking about?

Your TV over-scanned to scale up to 720p???   The upscale is done in the 360 hardware you retard, your tv is receiving a 720p format signal.

As for not getting your discs replaced, Microsoft had a disc replacement scheme so if you didn't take this offer up then tough shit.  Also, most of the scratched discs were not in the legendary box as the discs were packed in standard cases.  The discs that they had issues with were in the collectors edition because the disc clip was not standard.
 

[Mr_Milenko]

Halo 3 was a huge disappointment.. Get over it..

[johnnyrico]

jackass group of lawyers trying to advertise themselves...

do they even realize that class action lawsuits can completely destroy a company?
and for christ sake, 80 pixels! that's ridiculous!
sure halo 3 isn't native 720p, but bungie had their reasons for doing it like that.
those who whine about bungie choosing the path that is most efficiënt in their eyes shouldn't be playing videogames in the first place!


jrl brings up a good point: bungie can pull the logs and reject any damage claims from people who have been playing the game SINCE after they announced it wasn't entirely native but an intermediate solution to acquire 720p, as those who have been playing since after it was announced have had the chance to know it.

besides, by playing the game THEY AGREED TO THE EULA.
those who whine, get over it, by inserting the disk and playing you agreed to the MS EULA, simple as that.


hotknife420: it's not like bungie is the first company to commit false advertising, the competition has done it over and over, not to mention tons of industries do it


ultimate BESIDES: the lawyers are wrong to consider sueing bungie as at the time halo 3 was made, Bungie was actually Microsoft, so they should sue Microsoft, not bungie studios.

and I doubt even a top team of lawyers can beat MS in a courtroom.




all those who sign that petition are selfish greedy pricks in my eyes who fail to appreciate the work of a group of dedicated developers who get paid a regular sum of money and not the millions the publisher makes.

This post has been edited by johnnyrico: Dec 9 2007, 09:59 PM

[MrFish]

QUOTE(johnnyrico @ Dec 9 2007, 09:52 PM)

besides, by playing the game THEY AGREED TO THE EULA.
those who whine, get over it, by inserting the disk and playing you agreed to the MS EULA, simple as that.

By reading this post you agree to give me $100.

Sorry, contract law doesn't work like that. That's why you have to read and say 'I agree' to the TOS when you sign up to Live. They can't just say 'by playing on Live you agree to the EULA'.

Activision's "by looking at this you can't use the Rock Band guitar to play Guitar Hero III" is equally invalid.

[jimbobjim]

QUOTE(clp @ Dec 9 2007, 07:50 PM)

Bottom feeding trail lawyers already cross that one off their list.  Seagate settled.  Case was "Cho v. Seagate Technology (US) Holdings, Inc."  

The US needs tort reform badly; unfortunately the US senate is 60% lawyers.

Yeah I read about that after I posted.  However, there are still many other hdd manufacturers that haven't been done.

BTW, i'm not saying I hate hdd manufacturers and would never try to sue them for this. I'm just saying it's a tad misleading the way you buy a stated amount of space only to find some of it's missing.

I suppose the point I'm trying to make is... Destroying a hardworking company that brings so much joy to millions of lives, because of a tiviality such as this, is just plain wrong.

I don't really like the Halo franchise but I hope Bungie beat this crap.

[0794]

QUOTE(xboxmodder4life @ Dec 9 2007, 03:30 AM)

they will never win this lawsuit

from bungie.net
they use the two frame buffers so they can argue they actaully are giving you more then 720 vertical lines of resolution. Even so the final output of the signal is up to 1080p is not misleading because the final output resolution is that. This is because the xbox360 upscales everything...So this lawsuit has absolutely no feet to stand on. These lawyers do not understand what a frame buffer is let alone how two work together so i doubt they will even be able to go after bungie when bungie brings in their lead programmer to explain to them in the most technical terms how this works. The lawyers obviousbly havent done their research at all.

exactly, you can't explain that with just labeling on the back of the box - maybe a simple asterisk would have spared them from this mess.  well it must be interesting to see what comes of this, but more than likely this will be dismissed as they have very little clear substantial evidence or proof of their claims.

[tkkyj]

if it isn't HD, what is it?

What display method less of 720p can display a 640p signal?

720p is the lowest supported resolution that can display the output signal.

[Caswell]

If you hate it that much, you should be getting a refund.  Nothing else.  This "compensation" is a bunch of crap.  "Oh, the game sucks to much...but I still play it anyways".

The Xbox outputs the video at 720p.  You wanted 720p, the Xbox gives you 720p.  What are you complaining about?  It doesn't say "rendered at a native resolution of exactally 1280x720", it says 720p.  It's like buying a can of coke.  More than half that can is water.  Are you going to sue them because they didn't give you concentrated coke?  They have to add the water to make the whole thing work.

I'd wager than anyone complaining about this isn't a programer/designer/etc.  I'd also wager a guess than it looks better rendered at 640p with the extra features (lighting, etc), than it would at 720p with no extra features.

[johnnyrico]

QUOTE(MrFish @ Dec 9 2007, 11:31 PM)

By reading this post you agree to give me $100.

Sorry, contract law doesn't work like that. That's why you have to read and say 'I agree' to the TOS when you sign up to Live. They can't just say 'by playing on Live you agree to the EULA'.

Activision's "by looking at this you can't use the Rock Band guitar to play Guitar Hero III" is equally invalid.

Not entirely correct: on the box it says you MUST agree to the enclosed EULA in either the manual or enclosed booklet if you want to use the software, if you don't agree you should return it to the retailer you bought it from.
since you MUST agree if you want to use the program, it's pretty obvious that when you played it, you legally agreed to the EULA.
it's like having to sign a nondisclosure contract before being allowed to see classified information: you MUST agree to shut up if you wanna see it, or you can't see it.

Also, they offer you the chance to read the EULA when signing up for MS services and you have to select "I Agree" to use it.
therefor, MS can pull the Xbox Live logs, use that as a proof somebody agreed to their terms of use for the LICENSE they give you.

besides, if there's anything waterproof at MS, it's their contracts and EULA's.


alternatively, they can request the accuser to show a proof of purchase.
since MS offers a limited 90-day warranty on most software in the US and Canada, you've only got 90 days to complain.

remember, this is MS we're talking about, they could even check the date the first halo 3 savegame was made and use that as proof.



too bad nobody RTFM's or the EULA's they get shown.


sorry mate, but MS does have 1 thing that's bulletproof and it's their legal department.
people used the game and the boxes and/or manuals read you have to agree to the EULA's, since they aren't allowed to play if they disagreed, they showed they agreed by playing because you must agree BEFORE playing, once you played there's no turning back.

the agreement has been made before the act, plain simple.

This post has been edited by johnnyrico: Dec 9 2007, 11:30 PM