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[ppazz13]

This is pretty ridiculous.  

So everyone that is joining in on this lawsuit is saying that if Bungie had advertised the game at 640 lines of resolution rather than 720 lines, they would NOT have purchased it?  It would have been the same price.  In order to prove you deserve any compensation, you'd have to honestly say that you wouldn't have purchased the game knowing the true resolution.

Besides, I'm quite confident it'll get thrown out.  The game is capable of being displayed at 720p.  It's just "rendered" at a lower resolution before being scaled.  

And to anyone that joins in on the lawsuit:  You hereby forfeit any right to complain about rising costs of video games.  It's idiots like you that drive up production costs.  

Welcome to lawsuit-happy America.

[Tazmanian_Devil]

QUOTE(ppazz13 @ Dec 10 2007, 03:24 PM)

And to anyone that joins in on the lawsuit:  You hereby forfeit any right to complain about rising costs of video games.  It's idiots like you that drive up production costs.  

Welcome to lawsuit-happy America.

Well said, its all the dicks that have nothing else better to do and would have never noticed the upscaling if it hadnt havve been pointed out to them. Thanks a lot you bunch of MUPPETS for the future increase in our game prices.

[Eksyte]

QUOTE(1nsan3 @ Dec 10 2007, 03:11 PM)

I sell you a car, i tell you i beefed the engine up pretty good, but actually i really didnt. But hey THE CAR LOOKS GOOD SO GET THE FUC* OVER IT  right! your an easy one to screw over!! Bungie wants more people like you

Since you're talking about how a car performs and how the game looks, your analogy falls on its face because H3 plays fine.

This is more like seeing an ad for a bright red car but when you show up at the dealership to buy it, it's a little darker than it looks in the ad. Yes, it affects the appearance, but not in a debilitating manner. 99% of us would've still bought the car, just like 99% of people would've still bought H3, had Bungie been completely honest. After all, the graphics aren't the primary key to Halo's success.

Ya'll anal-retentive mofos are hilarious, as is this lawsuit.

[iamjacksass]

QUOTE(johnnyrico @ Dec 10 2007, 03:22 PM)

I never said they're invincible, but here it's pretty obvious the whiners are gonna be the losers and MS is gonna be the winner.
thank you America, the land of the mass murderers, the school shootings and the ability to sue just about anyone, for yet again acting like asses and raising the global prices for just a tiny profit.

with yer bloody lawsuits all the time, just as annoying as the paranoia you have since 9/11.

I don't hate america, but I do think it needs to be said that the USA has a lot of morons walking their land.
besides, the jackasses are sueing the wrong company, bungie isn't the publisher who put on the box it's 720p but MS since they're the publishers who print the covers, handle the advertising and all, they are the ones doing false advertising, not bungie.
and in the end your 360 does give you the 720p video output.

Well not to be too pedantic but you said the legal department is bulletproof, pretty close to invincible to me.

[cerealkillajme]

QUOTE(Puffer @ Dec 9 2007, 02:15 AM)

I'm not sue happy, in fact, this is the first lawsuit I will have ever joined.  However, I was very disappointed with the graphics in the game as it did seem very "blocky" at times when my tv overscanned to scale up to a 720p display.  If they had been honest in the first place I would have been happy.

I had the same problem with GT4 on the PS2 and the constant jitter that occured when you started a race.  We (gamers) wait a long time, and through several delays, for these games.  The least the game companies could do is let us know the truth about the graphics we are about to spend 60 - 80 dollars on.

I even went so far as to buy the legendary edition and got scratched disks that MS never decided to replace for me.  Just kinda bummed by the whole release.   However I won't go so far as to say that it was a horrible game like some others.  I thought it was a good story and a great play minus the graphics problems I had.

That was my only beef with the whole ordeal. I don't want to see Bungie go down, but I would like to see them get a nice slap for it. What most of you overlook is the fact that you were lied to, whether you want to believe it or not. Bungie wasn't going to tell you it wasn't true 720p for a second, the only reason we as consumers even know is that someone actually counted them. I don't want a refund for the game, nor do I want any money. I just would like to see companies stop pushing the consumer around. Bungie put out a game that didn't render in 720p and got busted for it. Had they actually came out and said that it wasn't 720p before it was released and given their reason for doing so, I wouldn't even mind it at all. Just the fact they tried to get over on all of us who bought the game by not delivering MS's standard 720p is BS, and most of you seem to not even care that you were lied to at all.

If we all continue to just sit back and not even care when companies lie to us and and try to pass a product off below the standard that it's supposed to meet what will happen in the future?

[barman1176]

This reminds me of how people http://www.gamestyle.net/news/3375. They had to sign something saying that they were offended and all kinds of BS.

Just an opportunity for lowlifes to make backups and send the retail copy back is all that was. "YO I got me 35 bones for nuthin'!".

[pingrr]

This is fuckign stupid.  So what if the game is 640.  It is then upscaled to 720P.  The botom line is you are seing a 720P image on your screen when you play the game

[hamwbone]

QUOTE(pingrr @ Dec 10 2007, 10:51 AM)

This is fuckign stupid.  So what if the game is 640.  It is then upscaled to 720P.  The botom line is you are seing a 720P image on your screen when you play the game

WRONG  

[sirsmacketh]

ghey.

[MrFish]

QUOTE(johnnyrico @ Dec 9 2007, 11:26 PM)

Not entirely correct: on the box it says you MUST agree to the enclosed EULA in either the manual or enclosed booklet if you want to use the software, if you don't agree you should return it to the retailer you bought it from.

No it doesn't; you're thinking of Windows and Excel.

On Halo 3 it says

"For use only with Xbox 360™ entertainment systems with a PAL designation and PAL TVs capable of displaying a 60Hz signal. See xbox.com for details. Unauthorised copying, reverse engineering, transmission, public performance, rental, pay for play, or circumvention of copy protection is strictly prohibited

Xbox Live System Requirements with Xbox 360 system and games: Paid membership required for online play. Some Xbox Live services and downloads require additional hardware (e.g. headset and camera) and fees. Features may change without notice. Subject to terms of use: www.xbox.com/live/termsofuse.htm. Broadband Internet service and a Microsoft Passport account required. While most broadband Internet services will work with Xbox Live, some may not; check with your service provider. Xbox Live is not available in all countries, please to go www.xbox.com and select your country for details."

No mention of having to agree to an EULA. It mentions that LIVE has a contract, but (as we all know) it's a clickwrap, not an implied. You need to "I Agree" to it, not just pop the game in having read (or not) the box.

But hell, refute me: you don't even need to supply a box scan. A simple copy of this 'Halo 3 EULA' would suffice. I mean, if it's a binding contract, the text of it must exist somewhere, right?

QUOTE(johnnyrico @ Dec 9 2007, 11:26 PM)

it's like having to sign a nondisclosure contract before being allowed to see classified information: you MUST agree to shut up if you wanna see it, or you can't see it.

No, it's nothing like an NDA (and I've signed one or two in my day), because if you don't sign an NDA, nothing happens (except perhaps a polite invitation to vacate the premises). They certainly don't go 'whoops, well, whatever', and show you their trade secrets anyway. Whereas if you don't sign this magical imaginary Halo 3 license, and just put the game in your drive, then *shock* it lets you play Halo 3.

QUOTE(johnnyrico @ Dec 9 2007, 11:26 PM)

Also, they offer you the chance to read the EULA when signing up for MS services and you have to select "I Agree" to use it.
therefor, MS can pull the Xbox Live logs, use that as a proof somebody agreed to their terms of use for the LICENSE they give you.

As I observed in the thing you're replying to, they do that when you sign up for Live, because they have to do that when you sign up for LIVE. If they could get by with an implied contract you don't have to "I Agree" to, don't you think they would have done so? Also, I urge you to actually read it (www.xbox.com/live/termsofuse.htm), and find the paragraph where it says you can't sue someone that isn't Microsoft over matters that don't pertain to Xbox LIVE. Or indeed any bit where it says anything about matters not pertaining to Xbox LIVE ("The Service").

QUOTE(johnnyrico @ Dec 9 2007, 11:26 PM)

alternatively, they can request the accuser to show a proof of purchase.
since MS offers a limited 90-day warranty on most software in the US and Canada, you've only got 90 days to complain.

remember, this is MS we're talking about, they could even check the date the first halo 3 savegame was made and use that as proof.

So companies get to decide their own statute of limitations now? Cool! I'll just offer a ninety-second warranty, and now no-one can sue me ever!

Warranties are in addition to, not a replacement of, your statutory rights*. As anyone that's done even an introductory course in law would know.

*(google it).

QUOTE(johnnyrico @ Dec 9 2007, 11:26 PM)

too bad nobody RTFM's or the EULA's they get shown.
sorry mate, but MS does have 1 thing that's bulletproof and it's their legal department.
people used the game and the boxes and/or manuals read you have to agree to the EULA's, since they aren't allowed to play if they disagreed, they showed they agreed by playing because you must agree BEFORE playing, once you played there's no turning back.

the agreement has been made before the act, plain simple.

Again, in case you're going to pull a tl;dr and only read my first and last sentences: simply post up Halo 3's EULA, and the whole world will know that you're right.

[MrFish]

QUOTE(peter0328 @ Dec 9 2007, 09:52 AM)

The people behind this lawsuit don't even have their facts straight.  720p is not 720 pixels, it is 921,600 pixels.  720p stands for 720 progressively scanned lines of picture.  The same is true for their analysis of 640p, it is not 640 pixels but it is actually 819,200 pixels if the resolution is 1280x640.  It is actually missing 80p or 102,400 pixels.  This error should be fixed immediately if they actually want this lawsuit to be considered somewhat seriously.

Technically, analogue television standards don't actually have horizontal pixels. It's one long analogue line. "720p" means that every CRT must display* 720 lines, but the number of pixels in each line is entirely dependent on the hardware displaying it. That the DAC on the Xbox's end is updating 1280 times each line is merely a technicality. It's for this reason that DVD (and, indeed, television standards in general) won't list the horizontal resolution, but only the number of lines.

So what they're alleging is, in fact, correct: the vertical resolution (the height) is 640 pixels, not 720 pixels. To try to enumerate the pixels that the display standard doesn't, in fact, have would be an error.

Digital standards like HDMI do, of course, have horizontal pixels, but there are no HDTV specifications based off them yet.

*(or ignore, or sample into a framebuffer and then faff around with, depending on how cheap/modern they are)

[xboxhaxorz]

i found this about 3wks ago and posted it on the xbox halo 3 forums and the form didnt work for me

even now it still doesnt work for me

the fact is bungie only admitted it AFTER the information was released not before but after

the fact is it doest not compare to gears of war a game i hate to death but must admit it looks better

halo 3 came out after gow so it SHOULD be better

i would be happy with a simple upgrade patch, i dont want any money cause ill play the game if it looked ugly or not

if anybody says halo 3 looks better than gow please i repeat please go to the doctors and get some lasic surgery

[MrFish]

QUOTE(xboxmodder4life @ Dec 9 2007, 10:30 AM)

they use the two frame buffers so they can argue they actaully are giving you more then 720 vertical lines of resolution.

Hell, why stop counting at back buffers? Every triangle has a a good few lines of texture, and multiple render passes. That's easily a hundred lines per triangle. If HDR sophistry can get you 1280p, fallacious pixel shader arithmetic could net 9001000000p.

[sunami88]

QUOTE(skEwb @ Dec 9 2007, 07:29 AM)

Why is everyone so surprised? If you go to a store and purchase a crucial drug for example that is used to keep you healthy and the drug says 200mg on the label but you instead get the wrong dose of 150mg and end up having health issues, why can't this apply to games? False advertising is false advertising period. I hope they win.

Ok, so I was going to read the entire thread before replying to any one thing/person, but congrats, you made me change my mind. You sir, are a moron.

If Halo 3's resolution is all thats keeping you alive/happy with your life: Kill yourself.

Play the game and love it? Keep playing. Play the game and hate it? Return it. But suing over a minimal amount of screen space? You're just out for money.

[mercury187]

is this why there is black bars down the screen when you play with more than 1 person on the same console? I think that is just so cheesy. I also think its pretty pathetic you cant hear the story if you have music going. I like to play games with instrumental music and if you have anything playing the game will complain to you to turn it off and punish you by taking away the words in the videos. Pretty sad if you ask me. I think this game is a miserable failure and cant believe so many people got all crazy over it. cod4 ftw.