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[stezo2k]

I had a feelin that they'd done somethin to the graphics because it doesnt look as spectacular as some other games on my TV, i mean graphicswise GoW blows it away but its all about gameplay init

[Hopeful]

QUOTE(Hack_kid @ Sep 29 2007, 08:20 AM)

 But what i am kind of mad about is two player split screen. Anyone with a HDTV try it? its in 4:3 Ratio! there are the black crop bars on the left and right

I think that may actually work better if you think about it.

If they split a 16:9 image in half horizontally it would be freakishly long and squished, and split vertically it would be hard to focus on enemies at your sides. I'm not a huge fan of halo games but in all fairness this seems like a good idea. 4:3 split horizontally gives you way better proportions if you're just going 2 player. A bigger screen area doesn't always equal better in every case.

16:9 split four ways on the other hand, works out well because dividing by four doesn't distort the ratio at all, and you can use the whole screen to full effect.

You'll probably notice the camera has great proportions with any amount of players this way. So there's definitely a positive aspect to how they handled this.

QUOTE(Hack_kid @ Sep 29 2007, 08:20 AM)

I know they can make 2 player split screen in 19:9 cuz gears is. Just kinda bugs me cuz it makes the screens pretty small on a 32 inch LCD

I have a small HD screen too. Personally the co-op made it harder for me to aim in gears because of the proportions, even though the game was still just as fun. True though, the extra size on a smaller screen was helpful in its own way. I guess it's a trade-off either way, but I see the benefits of how Halo 3 did it.

[ludacrisvp]

QUOTE(SueMiBlitch @ Sep 28 2007, 11:32 PM)

did bungie ever clame anything about the resolution?
not like you can tell the difference between 640 and 720 with a naked eye anyway

Oh and yes by the way they do claim that the game is in HD right on the back of the box "HDTV 720p/1080i/1080p" if you dont believe me you can look at your own case.
Halo 3 has a native resolution of 1138x640 pixels.
Minimum to be HD, like they claim on their packaging, is 1280x720 up to 1920x1080.

"Running at only 1138×640, that means there are 728,320 pixels. That’s a full 193,280 pixels LESS than 720p. In fact, it is even less pixels than your very average 1024×768! Hardly what anyone would consider “high-def.”" - quoted from Gamerawr!
HD   1920x1080 = 2,073,600 pixels on screen
HD   1280x720 = 921,600
XGA 1024x768 = 786,432
below XGA 1138x640 = 728,320
800x600 = 480,000

[steveju]

QUOTE(ludacrisvp @ Sep 29 2007, 03:53 AM)

I like how this is ok but had it been a PS3 game that had done this the entire thread would be filled with flames towards Sony. But since it is the all powerful and amazing Halo it is ok. This is rather pathetic.

The real source for this actually states that PS3 games are equally running on lower resolutions than advertised.

[iwannadie]

QUOTE(ludacrisvp @ Sep 28 2007, 08:53 PM)

I like how this is ok but had it been a PS3 game that had done this the entire thread would be filled with flames towards Sony. But since it is the all powerful and amazing Halo it is ok. This is rather pathetic.
Mainly directed towards the people that say the PS3 isnt sending out a true 720p or 1080i/p signal both the native games and scaled games.

Exactly, sadly its so true. Had this been a ps3 game it would be an all out flamefest. The other side of the fanboy coin shows its face.

[bucko]

It's all about gameplay right? Graphics second?

Honestly as long as it don't look pants on the screen then it's ok...

[turk3y]

QUOTE(ludacrisvp @ Sep 29 2007, 09:32 AM)

Oh and yes by the way they do claim that the game is in HD right on the back of the box "HDTV 720p/1080i/1080p" if you dont believe me you can look at your own case.
Halo 3 has a native resolution of 1138x640 pixels.
Minimum to be HD, like they claim on their packaging, is 1280x720 up to 1920x1080.

"Running at only 1138×640, that means there are 728,320 pixels. That’s a full 193,280 pixels LESS than 720p. In fact, it is even less pixels than your very average 1024×768! Hardly what anyone would consider “high-def.”" - quoted from Gamerawr!
HD   1920x1080 = 2,073,600 pixels on screen
HD   1280x720 = 921,600
XGA 1024x768 = 786,432
below XGA 1138x640 = 728,320
800x600 = 480,000

I think you need to understand that the native resolution of 1138x640 pixels is only inside the frame buffers, once it goes throught the 360 output hardware its scaled to whatever you have chosen in the dash ie 720p or 1080i/p or even 640i... this is what the box means, as all you as a user need to know is that the xbox360 will display this game in thoes hd resolution.

Comparing halo3 to gears is a bit harsh, the enviroments in gears for the most part are up close and gritty whilst halo has wide open expanses which are totally different and much more taxing on the hardware. This is why the fighters in a 1 on 1 beat em up are always better than the characters dynasty warroirs say. They spend more pollys and more affects in a smaller area. I think Halo3 has a nice blend of up close detail and impressive draw distace going on, I think technically its much more advanced that its getting credit for.

This is all down to a smart move by M$ the scaler they touted allows for game designers to tweak things for over all performance, if bungie where forced to 720 you might find it would cost you 30fps... so slightly less crisp images for thoes with hd sets is much better than halving the fps for all users.....

[Gmc]

Guys...you are aware 99% of the people who play this game wont actually give a crap about what res they use in the framebuffer and whatnot. Hell, if this info never come out, I guarantee you probably wouldnt be whining about it. Stfu and go code your own halo 3 and show me you can do a better job

[throwingks]

QUOTE(Gmc @ Sep 29 2007, 07:51 AM)

Guys...you are aware 99% of the people who play this game wont actually give a crap about what res they use in the framebuffer and whatnot. Hell, if this info never come out, I guarantee you probably wouldnt be whining about it. Stfu and go code your own halo 3 and show me you can do a better job

Why do you think the info came out? Some people noticed it and hand counted the pixels. Nothing was said until they were called out by people that noticed it.

[BasicAir]

I wasn't too surprised to hear this news either. It also seemed to me like the resolution was lower than it should have been.

HD nuts like myself and others can tell the difference without trouble.

It isn't so much that we're missing a few pixels, but imo it's more about the fact that A) every 360 game is supposed to run in 720p natively, no exceptions, and they advertise 720p on the case. Also, considering it's the biggest video game launch of all time, you'd expect it to be 100% flawless and run 100% like people expect and like it's supposed to.

Resolution is even more important to me, considering I play 360 games at 1080p on my 56" HDTV over HDMI. Just minutes into the H3 campaign, I noticed it wasn't true 720p right away as the resolution looks IDENTICAL to that of CoD3 which is also not true 720p.

If someone was a big enough prick to file a lawsuit claiming false advertising for the "720p" label on the back of the case, I wonder if they'd actually win!? I bet they would...

[Kabbalah]

QUOTE(SueMiBlitch @ Sep 29 2007, 05:32 AM)

this is halo 3... i'm pretty sure the company took out all the stops to make this game look solid. and guess what it does look solid... i watched a bit of it on my friends HDTV running through optical cable and it looks clean, crisp and spectacular

An optical video cable.. doesn't really sound like a bad idea although nobody can buy one of these, right?

[FreqNasty]

Most of the graphics look good...some of the indoor stuff is lacking in detail.

Wonder if Bungie ever thought about using the Unreal engine.
What becomes of this company now. Another FPS game or something else?

[KaRiL]

QUOTE(anonim1979 @ Sep 29 2007, 06:17 AM)

"On X360 scaled games
Two 640p Perfect Dark and Halo3 (1138x640) (no AA) (correction Halo 3 uses 1152x640)

Is that true? no AA? isn't that also a requirement from MS? along with at least 720p.
wow, and you guys don't care?  not that I do, but I've read posts here where people are upset that BC games have no AA, I've seen posts where people rip the PS3 for not requiring 720p and AA....Everything on this site about the 360 was all specs this, resolution that, and now the biggest game in the universe comes out and its 640p with no AA.... and now its all about the gameplay??
you guys are hilarious

[GuntherMP5]

I just thought the graphics were so-so at best anyway!
 I have a 50" 1080p Sammy going though VGA for my Legit (Non Banned) 360, my TV upscales as well.  I have also noticed the 360 drive does seam to work over time loading HALO3 as well.

W3ell I am sure those with SD TV's still think it looks great. It's like when you try to watch Standard Def on an HD TV it looks like crap, worst than it would on an old SD TV.

Well I got it yesterday, have played some of the story, and only about 6 or 7 Online games.

It's OK, and I am sure the HALO fans from the previous games like it, but to me it doesn't look that great and the game play well very standard.

To me the GREATEST GAME ever made for any Platform is still " GEARS OF WAR" , It's sad that I compare all games to it now, and no one has IMHO been able to step up.  I only hope ARMY of TWO for 360 or PS3 and KILLZONE 2 for the PS3 can equal it, because it may be some time before GOW2.

Well I am going to go and play HALO3 some more now, but this is my assessment of the game, I like the fact that it makes matches based on players rating and skills ( so they say), its a decent game but it's no GOW!

Just my thought on the matter

[Boba_Fett]

Lulz! It's quite hilarious to see so many forum members post shit about stuff they have NO IDEA what they are talking about. As Luke Smith said, it would be impossible to determine with the human eye the difference between their upscaled 720p and real 720p. Anyone who said "I thought the resolution was low..." needs to stop posting on technical threads.