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« on: September 27, 2007, 11:28:00 AM »

He can send it to me if he likes!
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« Reply #1 on: September 27, 2007, 11:29:00 AM »

He could of made $1800 on Ebay, oh well his loss.
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« Reply #2 on: September 27, 2007, 12:22:00 PM »

Welcome to the industry, doesn't sound abnormal. Every (larger) publisher does this, sends you cool shit, sends you to exotic locales, expensive hotels, etc. to preview games.

So, nothing new.
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« Reply #3 on: September 27, 2007, 01:23:00 PM »

So what... he likes what he likes. He´s no idiot. I respect his preferences.
Besides he must know what 'the real entertainment event of the year' is.

If it isnt Halo 3 then what is?
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« Reply #4 on: September 27, 2007, 04:50:00 PM »

QUOTE(stevenalvarado @ Sep 27 2007, 02:59 PM) View Post

So what... he likes what he likes. He´s no idiot. I respect his preferences.
Besides he must know what 'the real entertainment event of the year' is.

If it isnt Halo 3 then what is?


i agree somewhat about the "gift acceptance" issue - as a physician i have to be careful about how much "free" stuff i accept from the pharmaceutical industry - not that it would truly cause me to change my prescribing habits, but it can cast a negative shadow on my practice.  i assume that it could be the same with him causing others to see his journalism as "less than legitimate."

but, seriously, with Halo 3 being the biggest release in US entertainment history (of all time), and the year almost over, what would the real entertainment event of the year be?
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« Reply #5 on: September 27, 2007, 05:08:00 PM »

QUOTE(TexT @ Sep 27 2007, 07:58 PM) View Post

Welcome to the industry, doesn't sound abnormal. Every (larger) publisher does this, sends you cool shit, sends you to exotic locales, expensive hotels, etc. to preview games.

So, nothing new.

What is abnormal is the extent that Microsoft goes to compared to other companies.

I live in Australia & the other day I was listening to the radio & the entertainer was telling a small story of how his son wanted an XBOX 360 so bad now Halo 3 was coming out, I thought nothing of it, just a story but then when the next day he went on about the same story & I noticed the XBOX & Microsoft were put in after every 5 words or so he spoke I starting to think something was fi$hy.
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« Reply #6 on: September 27, 2007, 05:28:00 PM »

this always happens with every new game coming out. they always say it causes the 3 red lights. it happened with forza2 and guitar hero 2 as well.
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« Reply #7 on: September 27, 2007, 06:31:00 PM »

i could care less about him throwing the crap out the window.. if he doesn't want it then so be it... no big loss for me, so why should i care?

what i do care about is that this bag of douche took it upon himself to lash out at the fanboys with the spoiler.. problem is, it wasn't just the fanboys that saw it.. normal people like me who enjoy the game saw it.. that was just childish on his part. i for one will never visit that site again, unless that little brat lam is punished for his blatant disreguard for his readers..
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« Reply #8 on: September 27, 2007, 06:57:00 PM »

QUOTE(Hopeful @ Sep 27 2007, 07:56 PM) View Post

FINALLY! Someone with some reason and honor! I salute this guy for seeing through the obvious bullshit, unlike most people. This actually made me smile.

It's sad how blind most of us are. Marketing shit and popularity OWNS most of us, no matter HOW bad or plain the product is. The halo series is a HUGE testament to that. But finally, here's a story of someone being smarter than that.

Examining this game FACTUALLY SHOWS that it is one of the lowest quality recent games ever designed. I'm not talking opinion. I'm talking measuring the actual contents offered for admissible evidence of depth or epicness.  (Epic - Surpassing the usual or ordinary)

-The controllable interface
Walking, moving by vehicle, or firing ammo of varying speeds, powers and graphic-effects, and a couple of melee bops. That's literally ALL the substance involved.  sleeping.gif It lacks even the simplest innovations like diving, contextual actions or a cover button. This is an observable and measurable trait of the game, and has nothing to do with opinion. These facts demonstrate beyond a shadow of a doubt that it has little to no substance on this level.

-The story
...is incredibly depth-barren and ordinary. It also has no real meaningful or even brain-phasing moments. It consists almost entirely of an ordinary and idiot-accessible type of story recycled in cheesy movies: Combating alien monsters trying to kill society. Yet another variation. rolleyes.gif  Literally and factually, not much separates it from "Power Rangers" level material, other than higher quality voice acting. Everything is simple enough to be absorbed by most people who understand how to walk or talk. It is as "original" and "deep" as star 'gate','trek','wars' or anything else with combat-groups fighting aliens. It has a few measly backbones trying to add believability or depth, but they're flimsy and far between. About 5% of the story is backed, if that, and floats in about 95% unbelievable alien bs simply prompting you to pump more ammo. Again, when you look at these facts, you have to admit in all honesty, whether you like the game or not, that it has no substance or anything surpassing the ordinary on THIS level. It's the mental equivalent of a child's candy, having no real mental nutrition.

-The graphics/atmosphere
...Graphics are admittedly less important than how a game is layed out. However, they are responsible for a main part that no one discusses: The atmosphere. Because of that, there's simply no excuse for a game to look less than on-par today. Halo 3 doesn't look terrible, but most other recent next-gen games look a LOT better, having measurably more detailed textures, 3-D landscapes and objects in general. The fact that the game isn't other than ordinary in either control or story places EXTRA priority on atmosphere, where the game is measurably empty too. The fact that generally the stages are barren with mostly cold steel walls and almost no manned elements aside from weapons, vehicles and your own team makes it more barren. Where are the towns and citizens and building workers? Some of the light or particle based effects are beautiful, but in fact they are details and mostly handled by the graphics card. When looked at with an unbiased eye, the graphics are passable and balanced but don't really shine as exceptional. Measuring the graphics in proportion to other games would show lower res textures, blander pictures as a whole, and passable but not above par graphics.

When you consider these facts, whether opinion-wise you like the game or not, if you're being honest you have to admit that it never escapes or surpasses the ordinary. Ordinary controllable actions, ordinary vehicles, ordinary sci-fi ships, ordinary cliche'ed and depthless sci-fi story, etc.

Yet most of us STILL buy the hype and accept it as if it were some high quality masterpiece with depth. This is one more piece of the abundant evidence that most of us are as mindless as a herd of sheep and can't even see it because it's not obvious ENOUGH.

Hooray that there's an exception. It feels like hope. pop.gif


you obviously have some serious anger management issues that really need to be worked out with probably lots of counseling...

it is perfectly fine to not like the Halo series (everyone has personal choice) but it was the biggest US entertainment release in history and thus definitely has way more merit than you attribute to the series, the game and the depth of story.  i hated everything that has to do with the lord of the rings, but i am intelligent enough to respect that it did make a huge impact across the globe and that many absolutely love the trilogy.  your arguments are quite baseless and just seem laced with hate and anger...i hope that you can move on while the rest of the world enjoys Halo...
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« Reply #9 on: September 27, 2007, 07:42:00 PM »

QUOTE(Hopeful @ Sep 27 2007, 05:56 PM) View Post

FINALLY! Someone with some reason and honor! I salute this guy for seeing through the obvious bullshit, unlike most people. This actually made me smile.

It's sad how blind most of us are. Marketing shit and popularity OWNS most of us, no matter HOW bad or plain the product is. The halo series is a HUGE testament to that. But finally, here's a story of someone being smarter than that.

Examining this game FACTUALLY SHOWS that it is one of the lowest quality recent games ever designed. I'm not talking opinion. I'm talking measuring the actual contents offered for admissible evidence of depth or epicness.  (Epic - Surpassing the usual or ordinary)

-The controllable interface
Walking, moving by vehicle, or firing ammo of varying speeds, powers and graphic-effects, and a couple of melee bops. That's literally ALL the substance involved.  sleeping.gif It lacks even the simplest innovations like diving, contextual actions or a cover button. This is an observable and measurable trait of the game, and has nothing to do with opinion. These facts demonstrate beyond a shadow of a doubt that it has little to no substance on this level.

-The story
...is incredibly depth-barren and ordinary. It also has no real meaningful or even brain-phasing moments. It consists almost entirely of an ordinary and idiot-accessible type of story recycled in cheesy movies: Combating alien monsters trying to kill society. Yet another variation. rolleyes.gif  Literally and factually, not much separates it from "Power Rangers" level material, other than higher quality voice acting. Everything is simple enough to be absorbed by most people who understand how to walk or talk. It is as "original" and "deep" as star 'gate','trek','wars' or anything else with combat-groups fighting aliens. It has a few measly backbones trying to add believability or depth, but they're flimsy and far between. About 5% of the story is backed, if that, and floats in about 95% unbelievable alien bs simply prompting you to pump more ammo. Again, when you look at these facts, you have to admit in all honesty, whether you like the game or not, that it has no substance or anything surpassing the ordinary on THIS level. It's the mental equivalent of a child's candy, having no real mental nutrition.

-The graphics/atmosphere
...Graphics are admittedly less important than how a game is layed out. However, they are responsible for a main part that no one discusses: The atmosphere. Because of that, there's simply no excuse for a game to look less than on-par today. Halo 3 doesn't look terrible, but most other recent next-gen games look a LOT better, having measurably more detailed textures, 3-D landscapes and objects in general. The fact that the game isn't other than ordinary in either control or story places EXTRA priority on atmosphere, where the game is measurably empty too. The fact that generally the stages are barren with mostly cold steel walls and almost no manned elements aside from weapons, vehicles and your own team makes it more barren. Where are the towns and citizens and building workers? Some of the light or particle based effects are beautiful, but in fact they are details and mostly handled by the graphics card. When looked at with an unbiased eye, the graphics are passable and balanced but don't really shine as exceptional. Measuring the graphics in proportion to other games would show lower res textures, blander pictures as a whole, and passable but not above par graphics.

When you consider these facts, whether opinion-wise you like the game or not, if you're being honest you have to admit that it never escapes or surpasses the ordinary. Ordinary controllable actions, ordinary vehicles, ordinary sci-fi ships, ordinary cliche'ed and depthless sci-fi story, etc.

Yet most of us STILL buy the hype and accept it as if it were some high quality masterpiece with depth. This is one more piece of the abundant evidence that most of us are as mindless as a herd of sheep and can't even see it because it's not obvious ENOUGH.

Hooray that there's an exception. It feels like hope. pop.gif


Do you feel better now??  Did Master Cheif beat you up or something??  Guess what genious!?  I loved the game and I feel the game has some serious depth.  With the SP, Co-Op campaign, Multiplayer, Forge and the Theatre options this has more "meat" to it then any game of recent memory.  Btw, you say you aren't talking opinion but your whole post is just that, an opinion, otherwise I would be agreeing with you.

It's HALO, what did you expect??  I don't go into a Die Hard movie expecting it to be the next Godfather/academy award winning movie.  The game does what it does best and that's a straight up FPS with a decent story and some excellent multiplayer.

I will agree I expected more from the graphics, but again, it looks and feels like Halo.

I could go on but I wont..  You obviously set your expectations thru the roof or you are a jaded gamer.  This seems like the kind of rant I would hear from a loser Sony fanboy.  I'm not accusing you of being one but I can't fathom why someone who hates this game so much would waste the time whining about it in a forum post.

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Dean T. is a bozo and he is doing this to get attention.  How many go to this guy or the San Jose Chronicle to get your gaming news and reviews????  Yeah, thats what I thought...  Nowhere did MS say, give this game a good score and you can keep this swag!  Keep the stuff and give it a 0/100, nobody is forcing him(apart from company policy).  I think someone needs to pick up a dictionary and read the defination of a bribe.    Also, this is nothing new to the industry and reviewers often get products for free.  All the stuff he received was Halo related, why didn't he review the whole package as maybe that was MS's intent.   Funny thing is, he still gave it a great review.. But again who cares..
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« Reply #10 on: September 27, 2007, 07:56:00 PM »

QUOTE(Hopeful @ Sep 28 2007, 01:56 AM) View Post

FINALLY! Someone with some reason and honor! I salute this guy for seeing through the obvious bullshit, unlike most people. This actually made me smile.

Well if this guys sees through the bullshit and enjoys the game is he still a mindless sheep?

Review: Halo 3
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Overall, I’m happy with the game. It is not my favorite game of all time. That honor goes to Halo. And last year’s ”Gears of War'’ was more fun and more artistic. But Halo 3 will provide hours of entertainment for millions. Go Spartans!
By Dean Takahashi

So you don't like Halo 3, big deal. I probably wouldn't like half the shit you play. If millions of people play and enjoy the game that doesn't make them mindless sheep. Halo 3 would of sold millions of copies without 1 single advertisement or news story. If marketing was all it took to sell games then Viva Piñata wouldn't had been such a flop. If a product is popular why wouldn't you promote it on a large scale?

Why would you want this title to fail? Halo 3 will make the 360 install base stronger, grab publishers attention bringing more games to the 360 in the long run. Obviously it's too hard for you to see the positives of millions of people buying and enjoying a game if it's not up to your standards.
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« Reply #11 on: September 27, 2007, 11:43:00 PM »

QUOTE(Hopeful @ Sep 28 2007, 05:11 AM) View Post
If you enjoy the game regardless of what it is, that's your business.

I'll admit i'm a halo hater.

...

As a gamer, I appreciate that this is a game and some people enjoy it, but personally, I'm tired of hearing halo hype and exaggerations by now.


Nice response. I understand that it would suck not liking this game at this time. Fortunately for you there is plenty of other titles to look forward to. Mass Effect can't come soon enough for me.
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« Reply #12 on: September 28, 2007, 06:11:00 AM »

QUOTE(Hopeful @ Sep 27 2007, 11:11 PM) View Post

If you enjoy the game regardless of what it is, that's your business.

I'll admit i'm a halo hater.

Personally, my tastes have matured for more complex games that have come out, which actually offer insight in their stories or offer a more robust and innovative experience in the actual playing of the campaign...

The game factually doesn't have depth in what you can control in the actual campaign, and the story is incredibly common cheesy sci-fi type stuff with no real insight or meaningful depth. Anyone who denies that is either lying to themself or really can't comprehend a greater scale of things. I don't have a problem with others enjoying it, but I wanted to get what I noticed out there.


it is interesting that for something that you hate so much you have spent so much time involved with that activity - or at least claim to - in order to make your hateful remarks.  in fact, even the time you have spent blasting this game (even on this site) is quite an interesting activity since most people ignore what they dislike and do not post long rants about how bad something is and how great they are since they "recognize" that "badness."

you say it is fine for others to enjoy the game, but then you state that your opinion is truth and if anyone else "denies" it then they are "not able to comprehend" what you can - which is purely a narcissistic mentality.  you can still state your dislike for something and NOT bash everyone else in the process, which is unfortunately not what you chose to do.

i understand that you hate the game and that is fine, but coming on these forums and saying that anyone who likes the game is stupid (or at least inferior to you) shows very little class and actually is quite immature.
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« Reply #13 on: September 28, 2007, 08:40:00 AM »

QUOTE(794 @ Sep 28 2007, 05:47 AM) View Post

i understand that you hate the game and that is fine, but coming on these forums and saying that anyone who likes the game is stupid (or at least inferior to you) shows very little class and actually is quite immature.


Couldn't agree more, in other words you can say you don't like the game without being a total dick about it.
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« Reply #14 on: September 28, 2007, 05:38:00 PM »

QUOTE(794 @ Sep 28 2007, 01:47 PM) View Post

it is interesting that for something that you hate so much you have spent so much time involved with that activity - or at least claim to - in order to make your hateful remarks.  in fact, even the time you have spent blasting this game (even on this site) is quite an interesting activity since most people ignore what they dislike and do not post long rants about how bad something is and how great they are since they "recognize" that "badness."

you say it is fine for others to enjoy the game, but then you state that your opinion is truth and if anyone else "denies" it then they are "not able to comprehend" what you can - which is purely a narcissistic mentality.  you can still state your dislike for something and NOT bash everyone else in the process, which is unfortunately not what you chose to do.

i understand that you hate the game and that is fine, but coming on these forums and saying that anyone who likes the game is stupid (or at least inferior to you) shows very little class and actually is quite immature.

Well first off, I don't want to be misinterpreted or reframed. I'm not trying to insult halo fans. I just want to make some things clear. For one thing, I'm not feeling 'hate' in any of the things I'm saying. I don't 'hate' halo, I simply don't enjoy it. I'll admit that grenade fights and blowing things up with the rocket launcher can be fun though. It wouldn't affect me except that halo's success causes most companies to switch to making FPS style games today, causing MANY less games that I'd enjoy to come out. This affects me as a gamer tremendously, and makes it an annoyance that actively seeks out my world.

For another thing an opinion is something like "the game is bad" or "the game is too short" or "the game is awesome" or "the game offers a relatively long campaign".

But I want to be clear that I'm using the context of the word "depth" that is measured by facts, not the one measured by opinions. I mean the "depth" that means "dimension".

For example, not "How much DEPTH of enjoyment does this game offer" but

-"Do you only basically move and fire or can you control other depths"
-"Does the story contain layers of mental complexity aka 'depths', such as irony, that add dimension on top of the regular cliche?"

These are asking the fact of whether the game contains these certain ingredients. No more subject to interpretation than "does water contain hydrogen". I get your line of reasoning, that "how much you consider a lot" is relative, but I'm talking about whether the actual mechanics contain layered ingredients, aka complexities or depths.

If I said the game is BORING because main parts of it lack depth, THAT would be an opinion. I never said anyone was "stupid" if they don't recognize "the badness" I said they aren't being honest if they won't ACKNOWLEDGE the BASICNESS of game actions and story. There is a huge difference. I am not "bashing" anyone but the specific Halo fanboys that seek out and "bash" anyone sharing something unimpressed about halo, as if that's 'out of bounds'.

Secondly when the halo community fanboy-gangs anyone who states that this game lacks depth, trying to silence or discredit them, it's silly. Such people are only talking about the fact that each of the campaign's ingredients don't go deeper than basic, which is a fact.  It's not a personal attack or a competition, and it's not saying you're shallow or inferior if you like halo..

I have fun with some shallow things. That doesn't make me or you stupid or inferior. EVERYONE does it. But it IS a problem if you can't admit that something you enjoy is shallow. Those that HAVE to have things they find fun seen as epic need to back off. I couldn't care less who is "smarter" or "better". I just want people to acknowledge a couple of things.

My issue is with the growing number of Halo users that gang up to discredit anyone stating unimpressed observations about the game. And the number of fans who are blind to the shortcomings of the game and unwilling to admit them because the game hits their chemical g-spot. The problem isn't with liking the game, it's with trying to silence anyone who brings up issues that bother them about the game and the affect of its hype.

I'm not trying to have a pissing contest. In fact that's what I'm tired of growing numbers of the Halo community promoting. The game has its good points that I can understand people enjoying. I'm not posting to put anyone down just for liking this game. There are things even I think are good about it. Its graphics are much better than previous Halo games, the controls are tight, the team play is accessible for those who like that, and it can be visceral especially if you have a nice home theatre. Those facts aren't lost on me, but there are some facts that transcend the hype and I'm tired of people being unable to speak them without being fanboy-mugged. That's all I want to get across.
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