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[bennyblanco420]

hey i dindt read all the post my add kicked in just want to offer a word of advise buy your electronics from best buy i dont know about in other areas but in nyc best buy will offer a 3 year warrenty which you can bring your brick in and leave with a new 360 just thought id put that out there

[AYB Faithless]

I got the xbox360 at launchday and i never had one single problem. I have GH2 also and i never have any problems. Guess I'm just lucky

[ILLusions0fGrander]

just played a bit, and aside from not making it to the end of the song, i had no lockups or freezes. i think i knocked 2 or 3 hard songs off the list though... 5 more to go!

[twistedsymphony]

I have a launch day console... My GF has been playing Guitar Hero almost non stop since it came out and the console hasn't so much as sneezed at it.

I was actually in the middle of a marathon session today when I saw this news post and had a good chuckle.

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FWIW I probably take better care of my console then most people... I'm not talking about light useage, it gets played non-stop all the time.

the ambient temp of the room never goes above 66F (based on the layout where the 360 sits is often cooler then that). the console and the PSU are on separate shelves to keep their heat from interfering with each other and both have 6+ inches of free flowing air on 5 of their 6 sides.

Since the console was setup on launch day it had only ever been moved once when I re-wired my game room. Based on the fact that the game room is in a basement the floor is concrete and the stand is metal and glass the console probably doesn't even get vibrations from people walking around the room or other things.

Why am I telling you all this? Because it shows that things like updates and games don't do jack to damage your console, mine is complete proof of that. It's played more then 2 3rds of the Xbox 360 catalog and the only time is has never given me any grief.

I'm not saying that everyone should have to treat their console like a precious jewel just the fact that when all things are handled properly games will not kill your console.

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When you power up your console it stresses it more then during normal powered on use.... the stress on most electronics during the boot process is usually much higher then it is even after running for hours and crunching it's capacity's worth of numbers.

Because of this it's not surprising that consoles almost always fail when powering up and not in the middle of a game.   Also a reboot after hours of play is more harsh on the console then a cold boot after sitting for hours. When considering this is not at all surprising that consoles which are close to dying choose to finally kick the bucket after an update. the boot process at that point is the most stressful. Once a console is near dead due to heat stress or other abuse it only takes one really stressful reboot to put the final nail in the coffin

... at least that's my hypothesis.


Even still, modern electronics are built for an average lifespan of 18 months to 2 years... just because lots last beyond that point doesn't mean they're designed to do so, nor do companies go out of their way to intentionally shorten the lifespan of a console.

[gli7ch]

Yup, I highly doubt it is GHII or the patch, or any game/patch for that matter, oh wait, i forgot about that patch that kills everyone's 360 who has even thought about owning a PS3....yea that one happened to me...

*Edit* With my new 360, i have it sitting vertically inside of my mini-fridge, keeping it at a nice cool 40 degress farenheit

[dirtlegdan]

QUOTE(gli7ch @ Apr 15 2007, 03:01 PM)

Yup, I highly doubt it is GHII or the patch, or any game/patch for that matter, oh wait, i forgot about that patch that kills everyone's 360 who has even thought about owning a PS3....yea that one happened to me...

*Edit* With my new 360, i have it sitting vertically inside of my mini-fridge, keeping it at a nice cool 40 degress farenheit

Just wait for that condensation!

[Roam]

They not only need a CPU temp monitor, they also should have something that monitors what kind of load the CPU's are under. I know with my computer sometimes a background program will freeze and the CPU will be under 100% load until I kill the process. How much stress can the Xbox 360 components take?

[epsilon72]

QUOTE(HSDEMONZ @ Apr 15 2007, 10:45 AM)

I stand by my comment. I fully believe that the warranty period is as long as we can expect hardware these days to last. the days of buying a piece of electronics and watching it last 10 years is over. I remember buying my original VHS and BETA machines, and watched them work long and hard under shitty conditions for 5, 10, and more years.

these days.. brand name electonics just aren't doing that anymore. People are far more likely to buy hardware today, and replace it in 2 year due to failure or wanting the latest greatest. Manufacturers no longer strive to make quality components that stand the test of time.

Sad but true.  My SNES still runs fine after 15 years.  I definitely don't expect my PS3 to last that long.

Maybe I should hold off a little bit longer before buying a 360...or perhaps the problems will never be fully resolved and I should just get one anyway...I dunno.....
 
I wonder what problems the Elite will have....

[SpiderX1016]

QUOTE(gli7ch @ Apr 15 2007, 01:01 PM)

Yup, I highly doubt it is GHII or the patch, or any game/patch for that matter, oh wait, i forgot about that patch that kills everyone's 360 who has even thought about owning a PS3....yea that one happened to me...

*Edit* With my new 360, i have it sitting vertically inside of my mini-fridge, keeping it at a nice cool 40 degress farenheit

Are you really doing that? Because that isn't good for the 360.

[BRD]

I updated, everything seems to be working OK for now.

The real bitchcore problem with any warranty on this system is the damn downloaded content.  If you get a new 360, your downloaded stuff on the HDD is usable only if you are online.  You really get fucked over because MS's half-assed hack way of fixing the problem of replacing your DLC after a warranty can take 3 months, as it did for me (I don't see why it should take 3 months to generate codes for MS points, unacceptable).

[TheIrishLad]

QUOTE(gli7ch @ Apr 15 2007, 02:01 PM)

Yup, I highly doubt it is GHII or the patch, or any game/patch for that matter, oh wait, i forgot about that patch that kills everyone's 360 who has even thought about owning a PS3....yea that one happened to me...

*Edit* With my new 360, i have it sitting vertically inside of my mini-fridge, keeping it at a nice cool 40 degress farenheit

If your serious I'd say your Xbox 360 is on a fast road to death by condensation.

[gli7ch]

I was joking fellas... but I am thinkin bout puttin in an Fan on the side of it, anyone know how big those XCM Fans are?

[LostIt]

Don't even get me started on Quality Control (or lack there of.)

Things I've returned this year...
-Xbox 360 - just under 1 Month old, 2 or 3 days after I installed PGR 3 with the Wireless Racing Wheel (Install Drivers)
-Wireless PS2 Guitar Hero Controller - The yellow button never worked.
-Pelican XBox (orig) controller - Right analog stick didn't work.
-PSP - Screen had a scratch on the inside of the screen (backside)


It's amazing how much time I have to waste standing in line at the local Best Buy. It feels like I spend more time at customer service than most of the employees. You would think I'm insulting the customer service people by returning defective hardware by the way they act.

Just wait.... in the near future I can see retailers stamping the bottom of every receipt with the word
GOTCHYA!

Sorry folks, the days of Quality Merchandise are Gone! (But in theory the merchandise works great! Just don't ask anyone to manufacture it correctly.)




Edited (Added)
Could the drivers be what is causing the problems? I installed the Wireless Racing Wheel drivers and it was soon after my XBox had an identity complex... It kept telling me to "Please place this disc in an XBox 360 console to play it" no matter what 360 game I inserted (even Gears of War which was brand new at the time.) Funny eh? Maybe some drivers are causing problems with specific hardware o nthe 360... How many different versions of the 360 are there?

[LostIt]

(I tried to add to previous post, but I was too late.)

Also, there is no way I would have forked over the $450 for the premium bundle, $60 a game (which more than likely won't be compatible with the next gen) if I thought it was only going to last 2 or less years. That is seriously on the low end of quality even for todays manufacturing standards. Come on, I've got a Commodore 64 that still works!

[gli7ch]

QUOTE(LostIt @ Apr 15 2007, 07:38 PM)

Come on, I've got a Commodore 64 that still works!

How much electricity does it take to run a Commodore 64, compare that to the 360...