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[ConteZero76]

Elite board is just a revision of the original one.
Sis also supplies (design, build and such) the southbridge.

[luther349]

QUOTE(FCTE @ Jul 4 2007, 05:41 AM)

I've never had any problems and I played for four weeks straight almost, only quit recently after being burnt out on the game and getting Overlord.

The only thing I noticed is it worked the DVD drive real real hard and the disk quit spinning and threw up a "clean disk" error twice on me. But no real "system" crashes, black outs, or graphical issues.

now that makes more sence then the orignal post. that might be a inbalenced disk i have a copy of splintercell that does the same thing and the disk has no scraches. but it doesent do it all the time and the games still very playble. but thats a defect that happones often when the press they and normaly has no effect on the disk but sometimes it does.

[Viper323]

I'm not saying it was Forza's fault, but my 360 was running just fine since I bought it. Two days after I started playing Forza I had the three red lights and had to send it in.

[Knasen]

I have several friends playing forza 2 alot, and neither of them has had any problems sofar.

When GuitarHero2 came people said it bricked their 360.
When GoW came people said it bricked their 360.
Now people claim Forza 2 bricks it? Come on, you people can't be serious...

Yes, 360s can break but imo its just bad luck and nothing to do with the actual coding/bugs of a game but perhaps if it puts alot of stress on the CPU/GPU for a very long time that it finally overheats the motherboard or circuitry, but in that case that's a hardware problem (not shutting of when temperature exceeds critical value or proper cooling) and not related to a specific game.

[bob_barker]

The amount of ignorance displayed by Xbox fanbois is amazing...

This pedantic bickering about whether games can cause failures is ridiculous.  YES, the issue is OBVIOUSLY that the game stresses the console! So what?

Gears bricked my first console, brand new, after 4 hours of play.  And when I try to find out anything about it, all I get is fanbois ranting about how I must have moved the console, or stood it on its side, or done something wrong.  And now this news comes out.

The failure rate for the 360 is _UNACCEPTABLE_, and it seems clear to me that MS rushed the design to market without adequate testing.  4 hours of Gears of War, in a room that is 75 degrees Fahrenheit, adequate space on all sides (only device on the shelf), screws up a piece of consumer electronics?  

I'm an engineer for a _VERY_ large radio and other electronics company.  I think I know WTF I'm doing with a piece of consumer electronics.  I also know that the failure rate of the 360 is way higher than anything we've experienced, at least once we've gotten the design down, gone through rounds of environmental and stress testing, etc.  You're telling me MS didn't have a test suite that could stress the hardware like Gears and Forza have?  Bullshit.  There is NO reason for these issues to be coming to light now, except for gross incompetence on MS's part (not likely) or a rushed product with flaws they're unwilling to admit to (very likely).  And we, the consumer, their base, are paying the price.

I will say that, at my company, when we moved our radio product to lead-free solder for RoHS compliance we experienced much, MUCH higher failure rates, and it has been a struggle to adapt our manufacturing.  I would expect for a company like SiS to have this down pat, though.

In short, screw MS, and screw the people defending their actions.  We're all in this together, as gaming fans, right?  All I want is for my very expensive 479 dollar console to work with some degree of reliability!

[pRtkL xLr8r]

I had a launch 360, and never gave me a blip of problems, so I thought I was in the clear.  I had put the intercooler thingy on just in case though.  It seems maybe it just delayed the inevitable, because during the Halo 3 beta (of all fricken' times) I got the 3 red rings, 0402 or 0403 general hardware failure.  Searched online and did the towel trick.  Worked for a day or so, then locked tight and ringed again.  Couldn't play that game forever, so I went and bought a new core system at Walmart so I could just transfer over the HDD.  They asked if I wanted a 2 year service plan for 17 bucks.  I thought they were absolutely insane for offering, and more than gladly took them up on the offer.

It seems that the latest popular games (Gears, Guitar Hero, H3 Beta, Forza) have been blamed, but that is I think because the 360 you have *will* eventually fail, especially if it's a launch one.  These new games are coming out now, when the 360 has been now weakened to the point that it only takes one good game to push it over the falls, so to speak.  I was a casual user of the system, so since Nov of 2005, I'd say I played maybe 10 hours a week (that's probably high).  When Gears came out, I played that baby non stop for a few weeks.  That right there I thought was the test.  Never a problem.  It was when I played the H3 beta that it finally died.  Were I a more avid gamer, it would have died with GOW.  Were I a less avid gamer (or didn't get into the beta), it would have died with Forza.

I saw someone say in one of the posts of this thread that replacing the firmware would make the 360 run cooler -- how exactly is this possible?

[ThaCrip]

QUOTE(bob_barker @ Jul 4 2007, 12:59 PM)

The amount of ignorance displayed by Xbox fanbois is amazing...

This pedantic bickering about whether games can cause failures is ridiculous.  YES, the issue is OBVIOUSLY that the game stresses the console! So what?

Gears bricked my first console, brand new, after 4 hours of play.  And when I try to find out anything about it, all I get is fanbois ranting about how I must have moved the console, or stood it on its side, or done something wrong.  And now this news comes out.

The failure rate for the 360 is _UNACCEPTABLE_, and it seems clear to me that MS rushed the design to market without adequate testing.  4 hours of Gears of War, in a room that is 75 degrees Fahrenheit, adequate space on all sides (only device on the shelf), screws up a piece of consumer electronics?  

I'm an engineer for a _VERY_ large radio and other electronics company.  I think I know WTF I'm doing with a piece of consumer electronics.  I also know that the failure rate of the 360 is way higher than anything we've experienced, at least once we've gotten the design down, gone through rounds of environmental and stress testing, etc.  You're telling me MS didn't have a test suite that could stress the hardware like Gears and Forza have?  Bullshit.  There is NO reason for these issues to be coming to light now, except for gross incompetence on MS's part (not likely) or a rushed product with flaws they're unwilling to admit to (very likely).  And we, the consumer, their base, are paying the price.

I will say that, at my company, when we moved our radio product to lead-free solder for RoHS compliance we experienced much, MUCH higher failure rates, and it has been a struggle to adapt our manufacturing.  I would expect for a company like SiS to have this down pat, though.

In short, screw MS, and screw the people defending their actions.  We're all in this together, as gaming fans, right?  All I want is for my very expensive 479 dollar console to work with some degree of reliability!

i would agree with you here quite a bit cause i think the bottom line is (like you said) ... certain games (like forza 2) strees the CPU/GPU quite a bit which jacks up heat which = stuff dies.

QUOTE(pRtkL xLr8r @ Jul 4 2007, 02:51 PM)

I had a launch 360, and never gave me a blip of problems, so I thought I was in the clear.  I had put the intercooler thingy on just in case though.  It seems maybe it just delayed the inevitable, because during the Halo 3 beta (of all fricken' times) I got the 3 red rings, 0402 or 0403 general hardware failure.  Searched online and did the towel trick.  Worked for a day or so, then locked tight and ringed again.  Couldn't play that game forever, so I went and bought a new core system at Walmart so I could just transfer over the HDD.  They asked if I wanted a 2 year service plan for 17 bucks.  I thought they were absolutely insane for offering, and more than gladly took them up on the offer.

It seems that the latest popular games (Gears, Guitar Hero, H3 Beta, Forza) have been blamed, but that is I think because the 360 you have *will* eventually fail, especially if it's a launch one.  These new games are coming out now, when the 360 has been now weakened to the point that it only takes one good game to push it over the falls, so to speak.  I was a casual user of the system, so since Nov of 2005, I'd say I played maybe 10 hours a week (that's probably high).  When Gears came out, I played that baby non stop for a few weeks.  That right there I thought was the test.  Never a problem.  It was when I played the H3 beta that it finally died.  Were I a more avid gamer, it would have died with GOW.  Were I a less avid gamer (or didn't get into the beta), it would have died with Forza.

I saw someone say in one of the posts of this thread that replacing the firmware would make the 360 run cooler -- how exactly is this possible?

only thing i can think of that makes sence is... if you run the 4x reading speed firmware (iXtreme 1.2b) it will reduce heat of the dvd-rom drive itself since the drive motor aint going to spin it @ 12x (stock speed) so less motor movement to me would mean less heat... even though im guessing it's a minimal difference that i highly doubt would mean the difference between a working 360 and a dead 360.

[Havok]

QUOTE(BecomethemonsteR @ Jul 4 2007, 10:10 AM)

Everyone that doesn't have shit for brains knows this is a fad.  Every time a new game is released, there is a slew of topics like 'FM2 killed my 360!' or 'WTF FM2 is a 360 killer'.  I have looked solely for topics like this on release days.  Surprisingly, I haven't seen a '_________ killed my 360' thread for Harry Potter: OotP yet...

Actually I can start that tread... LOL... its all I have been playing lately and BAM.. graphical glitches and a freeze..  my 360 will only run cold and then hang when heat builds.

Do I think the game killed my console because its uber stressing the system... ahhh... NO.

With regards to Forza 2...  if the game hangs and it doesn't adversely affect your box as a whole... then the game is at fault.

If its a case like mine where all of a suddenly NO games work or you get a 3ROL... then it sthe hardware and has nothing to do with the game but cooincidence.

[RudiBergers]

forza2 killed my box

[Muzzakus]

QUOTE(smokeynerd @ Jul 5 2007, 06:10 AM)

So I got forza on launch day , have played it every day since then with no problems, I read this thread this morning and went to play today and it locked while I was selecting a car, I reset the console and saw the 3 dreaded lights. I reset the console again, it froze during the 360 splash screen and gave me one red light.  I yanked the HDD and reset it , it loaded ok then said it couldnt read the disc. I removed the disc and the HDD , started it up , then shut it down and put everything back. it played for an hour or so then froze.

BUT...... I did something the last time i played that I have never done before , I shutdown the console right after heavy playing without letting it idle for a while.  

If you play forza now and your xbox is ok, I would highly reccomend letting it idle for a while before shutting down. letting it idle will let the components flex at a more gradual rate rather than just shutting off.  If this becomes a real problem I will deffinatly want to kick myself for shutting down the machine that one time.  
Just my 2 cents......

Yeah, but this is a consumer product.  You shouldn't need to treat it like a specialist tunnel drilling machine with a 100 page complex operating procedure of do's and dont's.  If there is a reason to cool it after powering off like a projector them M$ needed to build it in.

No one should be kicking themselvs about doing anything wrong with this device - it should handle all scenarios even down to a childs misuse.

All the consoles that shit themselves are MS's failure, plain and simple.

Muz

[Chancer]

QUOTE(Muzzakus @ Jul 5 2007, 08:48 AM)

Yeah, but this is a consumer product.  You shouldn't need to treat it like a specialist tunnel drilling machine with a 100 page complex operating procedure of do's and dont's.  If there is a reason to cool it after powering off like a projector them M$ needed to build it in.

No one should be kicking themselvs about doing anything wrong with this device - it should handle all scenarios even down to a childs misuse.

All the consoles that shit themselves are MS's failure, plain and simple.

Muz

I totally agree.
This is not some turbo charged supercar that you should have to let "idle" after playing.

[Guidor]

QUOTE(bob_barker @ Jul 4 2007, 05:59 PM)

The amount of ignorance displayed by Xbox fanbois is amazing...

This pedantic bickering about whether games can cause failures is ridiculous.  YES, the issue is OBVIOUSLY that the game stresses the console! So what?

Gears bricked my first console, brand new, after 4 hours of play.  And when I try to find out anything about it, all I get is fanbois ranting about how I must have moved the console, or stood it on its side, or done something wrong.  And now this news comes out.

The failure rate for the 360 is _UNACCEPTABLE_, and it seems clear to me that MS rushed the design to market without adequate testing.  4 hours of Gears of War, in a room that is 75 degrees Fahrenheit, adequate space on all sides (only device on the shelf), screws up a piece of consumer electronics?  

I'm an engineer for a _VERY_ large radio and other electronics company.  I think I know WTF I'm doing with a piece of consumer electronics.  I also know that the failure rate of the 360 is way higher than anything we've experienced, at least once we've gotten the design down, gone through rounds of environmental and stress testing, etc.  You're telling me MS didn't have a test suite that could stress the hardware like Gears and Forza have?  Bullshit.  There is NO reason for these issues to be coming to light now, except for gross incompetence on MS's part (not likely) or a rushed product with flaws they're unwilling to admit to (very likely).  And we, the consumer, their base, are paying the price.

I will say that, at my company, when we moved our radio product to lead-free solder for RoHS compliance we experienced much, MUCH higher failure rates, and it has been a struggle to adapt our manufacturing.  I would expect for a company like SiS to have this down pat, though.

In short, screw MS, and screw the people defending their actions.  We're all in this together, as gaming fans, right?  All I want is for my very expensive 479 dollar console to work with some degree of reliability!

The guys got it bang on!  I love my 360 but I'm expecting it to fail at some point in the near future which for a console is unacceptable.  You have a right when you buy one to expect it to last the life cycle of that generation of console.  Not all will but when you expect it to fail then that cant be right and shows it's not suitable for purpose.  There will be a mass lawsuit in the future regarding these machine I have no doubts.  The disgruntled user base grows daily.  Once the PS3 is a more viable alternative it will effect future sales of the 360 as word of mouth and press coverage will dent the 360's reputation significantly.

[Neilor]

I think the reputation has already been hurt... the design or manufacture of this thing is POS... the biggest worry for MS and it's manufacturing partners is the 10mil+ out there
... the majority of which are in Class Action US of A or Regulatory-MS-hating Europe.... this is a powder keg that I wouldn't like to be sitting on.

[scottmuller28]

As I have ranted for many months on other forums like xboxhacker on reliability, the only way to keep your system alive is to leave the top cover off and put in a talismoon fan. My system has been like this since june 2006 and is still running cool. It looks like shit but it is still alive but still has not reached 14 months yet, but im confident it will reach 2 years!!!!!!

When the cover is off it runs really lukewarm....

One thing I have noticed is the demand for mods in the past month has dropped off which I tend to think that sales are going to slow down for the 360. When at the movies watching Transformers and the 360 box was shown people yelled out thats got the ring of death... this is not good sign for the future of the console....

[faithlesssoul]

movies to do instead of the halo movie

lord of the red rings


field of red rings
microsoft if you build it the three rings will come

lol