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[Shinamano]

"well, getting your money's worth of gaming is one thing, but having to go about it like chores is a whole other thing. its simply not fun doing the same thing over and over."

That is what I think about unlocking teh costumes...nothing but a chore.

As for the game it really is quite simple to play...take your time with your attacks, vary them and when the enemy is on the offense...block or counter (countering takes time, but blocking is easy)

[Deftech]

QUOTE(dabigdilla @ Jan 4 2006, 02:28 PM)

well, getting your money's worth of gaming is one thing, but having to go about it like chores is a whole other thing.  its simply not fun doing the same thing over and over.  its nice to have depth, but thats just the thing....i haven't seen anything yet after nearly 5 hours.  thats not depth, thats exclusion.  

for instance, cod2 i can get thru on normal, and some parts were frustratingly hard.  it was a really different shooter than what i'm used to, but i had a chance to learn as I went.  now i am going back thru it on veteran and its amazingly hard.  i'll spend over an hour just to get thru one checkpoint.  but there is real progress being made.   i mean, its not that i'm THAT weak at games.  i'm no MLGer, but i can compete at the very least on a normal difficulty in any game.

quit whining

go play Gaiden and fight Alma a few hundred times until you dont use all your ninpo, only to get out and be attacked by rocket launching bastards and tanks.

Is this the first DOA youve ever played? just curious

speaking of difficulty, someday Id like to get Gaiden Black just to piss myself off  and toss controllers at walls  

[KAGE360]

QUOTE(Shinamano @ Jan 4 2006, 02:52 PM)

"well, getting your money's worth of gaming is one thing, but having to go about it like chores is a whole other thing. its simply not fun doing the same thing over and over."

That is what I think about unlocking teh costumes...nothing but a chore.

As for the game it really is quite simple to play...take your time with your attacks, vary them and when the enemy is on the offense...block or counter (countering takes time, but blocking is easy)

you could always just play online and buy the outfits from zack's shop  

playing the game is simple but to learn how to effectively use the attacks and really play the game is a harder task, mastering the timing and how to read moves for the counters are one of the biggest aspects of the game IMO.  

all this DoA talk makes me want to have a xbox-scene DoA tournament, that way we can school eachother while i come out on top  

[jaskerzada006]

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speaking of difficulty, someday Id like to get Gaiden Black just to piss myself off and toss controllers at walls

OMG!!!!

The missions will RAPE you!

[Rubix42]

QUOTE(Deftech @ Jan 4 2006, 02:55 PM)

quit whining

go play Gaiden and fight Alma a few hundred times until you dont use all your ninpo, only to get out and be attacked by rocket launching bastards and tanks.

I've never been a controller thrower no matter how frustrating, hard, or if I have to do something a few times.  That boss in Gaiden made me want to fucking kill someone.  I swear I spent 2 or 3 hours dieing a hundred deaths against her.  I seriously broke my controller after that.  I threw it on the ground and stomped the hell out of it, and swore I would never play the game again.

2 days later I bought a new controller and finally beat her, what a chore that was.

[dabigdilla]

QUOTE(Deftech @ Jan 4 2006, 11:55 AM)

quit whining

go play Gaiden and fight Alma a few hundred times until you dont use all your ninpo, only to get out and be attacked by rocket launching bastards and tanks.

Is this the first DOA youve ever played? just curious

first, fuck you.  i'm not whining (per se ) but more explaining what it is i'm doing and wondering from those that have beat the game what it is i'm doing wrong.  already i stated my frustration with NG (haven't even got past level 1), so i know nothing of Alma (cept i date this hot model chick named Alma   )

anywayz, i was frustrated my first time, and thought i'd read up on the game sommore.  and i found out there's an exercise that lets you do all the moves, blah blah, shit i didn't know.  so that is where i spent 4 hours yesterday.  then another hour after (thinking) i learned the moves.  with just one char.  my point is not to just rant, tho i did warn you, lol.  the point was i am trying everything i've read and have given it more than an honest, dedicated try and still come up with absolutely nothing.  and what's worse is that i REALLY like this game, to the point i'm killing myself tryna make progress.  *sigh*

and yes, this is the first DOA i've got my hands on.  so does that mean i don't deserve to stand a chance?
i am just confused.....and it doesn't help that i'm at work and not practicing

[KAGE360]

QUOTE(dabigdilla @ Jan 4 2006, 03:37 PM)

first, fuck you.  i'm not whining (per se ) but more explaining what it is i'm doing and wondering from those that have beat the game what it is i'm doing wrong.  already i stated my frustration with NG (haven't even got past level 1), so i know nothing of Alma (cept i date this hot model chick named Alma   )

anywayz, i was frustrated my first time, and thought i'd read up on the game sommore.  and i found out there's an exercise that lets you do all the moves, blah blah, shit i didn't know.  so that is where i spent 4 hours yesterday.  then another hour after (thinking) i learned the moves.  with just one char.  my point is not to just rant, tho i did warn you, lol.  the point was i am trying everything i've read and have given it more than an honest, dedicated try and still come up with absolutely nothing.  and what's worse is that i REALLY like this game, to the point i'm killing myself tryna make progress.  *sigh*

and yes, this is the first DOA i've got my hands on.  so does that mean i don't deserve to stand a chance?
i am just confused.....and it doesn't help that i'm at work and not practicing

it will take a lot more then just 5 hours of practicing to come to grips with all the mechanics for most people.  i have to ask, the one person who you practiced for 5 hours, do you atleast know the moves that you have been learning those 5 hours?  if so then the best practice you can get is playing online by people either on your level or better, that way from observing and just experience in general you will learn over time.  learn the moves for your fav. characters first then worry about using them effectively.

[Deftech]

QUOTE(dabigdilla @ Jan 4 2006, 03:37 PM)

first, fuck you.  i'm not whining (per se ) but more explaining what it is i'm doing and wondering from those that have beat the game what it is i'm doing wrong.  already i stated my frustration with NG (haven't even got past level 1), so i know nothing of Alma (cept i date this hot model chick named Alma   )

anywayz, i was frustrated my first time, and thought i'd read up on the game sommore.  and i found out there's an exercise that lets you do all the moves, blah blah, shit i didn't know.  so that is where i spent 4 hours yesterday.  then another hour after (thinking) i learned the moves.  with just one char.  my point is not to just rant, tho i did warn you, lol.  the point was i am trying everything i've read and have given it more than an honest, dedicated try and still come up with absolutely nothing.  and what's worse is that i REALLY like this game, to the point i'm killing myself tryna make progress.  *sigh*

and yes, this is the first DOA i've got my hands on.  so does that mean i don't deserve to stand a chance?
i am just confused.....and it doesn't help that i'm at work and not practicing

calm down there tough guy  

I asked if it was your first DOA because you seemed surprised at the level of difficulty. I assumed correctly.

If you havent gotten past level 1 in Gaiden, unload it and get some $$ back. You'll only give yourself ulcers and your model chick gf named Alma wont like that now will she.

[dabigdilla]

QUOTE(Deftech @ Jan 4 2006, 01:06 PM)

calm down there tough guy  

I asked if it was your first DOA because you seemed surprised at the level of difficulty. I assumed correctly.

If you havent gotten past level 1 in Gaiden, unload it and get some $$ back. You'll only give yourself ulcers and your model chick gf named Alma wont like that now will she.

oh c'mon now....what was the very first thing you said to me?  i was just responding in tone.....forgot to add the streetfighter2 high punch sound with the backhand to ya head  
i thought i was being nice.  you prolly thot you were doing the same  

and please, i never get rid of a great, exclusive game for my xbox, for the simple fact i might be inclined to give it a go again....such as now where i might pick up on some techniques that'll help me with doa.

[Vinestrike77]

I got all the story modes in 12 hours. I even got an achievement for playing over 10 hours. The toughest was beating Alpha with the African-Brazilian Dancing dude. It took my brother and I about 50 fights before we could beat her. Although I must admit my brother and I traded turns after every round that we get taken out, this helped to sit back and watch your opponent and study their every mode as well as reflect on how you were taken out and what moves to do next.

Even though I'm proud that we got all story modes before going to sleep Saturday Morning I suck playing online. I actually got twice the accomplishment for lossing 10 straight fights. I've been beaten by guys without connecting with any hit in about 5 fights. I don't know my overall record but I know I have a 16% Winning Pct.

How Ironic!

[KAGE360]

QUOTE(Vinestrike77 @ Jan 4 2006, 04:18 PM)

 The toughest was beating Alpha with the African-Brazilian Dancing dude.

hate to break it to you man but that "dude" is a girl named lisa, im not sure if you noticed the tits and all but thats one of the hottest "dudes" i have ever seen  

playing online is NOTHING like playing the computer and just because you can beat the game fine doesnt mean jack on LIVE.  i thought i would be great the first time i played online but i got schooled for the first few days.  all the DoA games i have played, i would beat the computer like a joke, and would beat out any friends who would come over to play so it was safe to assume that i was pretty good.  well i got a good smack of reality when i played DoA:U and found out that i really wasnt as good as i thought but just maybe everyone in my area just sucked real bad     well the best think i did to improve my skill is just played against people constantly and learned enough things to kick my skills up a notch.

[Deftech]

by all means keep playing Gaiden. Tell the Horse boss on stage 3(I think) that I say hello. If you beat it, you've accomplished something.

[dabigdilla]

QUOTE(Deftech @ Jan 4 2006, 01:39 PM)

by all means keep playing Gaiden. Tell the Horse boss on stage 3(I think) that I say hello. If you beat it, you've accomplished something.

lol to that!

[cyberg4]

Anyone who beats gaiden on the hardest difficulty as well as all of the missions in NGB deserves a hero cookie, fresh from team ninja.  That game is freaking rediculous.  Alma is impossible to beat on normal as is (I'm still working on beating her on normal), but on hard,   .  I want to try out DOA4 now hearing it's difficulty level rather high, but I'll probably wait until it comes into EB games as a previously played game, that someone found as "too difficult". shouldn't be too long, judging by the frustration expressed in this thread alone.

Edit:  Kudos to team ninja for not making their games rediculously easy.  The sense of accomplishment after beating a stage in Ninja Gaiden is much more rewarding than passing a mission in a game like Fable, or the LOTR games, which were much easier.

[Rubix42]

QUOTE(Deftech @ Jan 4 2006, 04:39 PM)

by all means keep playing Gaiden. Tell the Horse boss on stage 3(I think) that I say hello. If you beat it, you've accomplished something.

Our horsey friend is on stage 2, and I found him to be much easier than stage 1.  Ninpo fire and a horse's buttock's just don't make friends

Anyways to help out our ranting board brethren.  Here is some tips.

Don't play angry, you'll just wear out your controller and whatever patience you have left.

Play DoA for fun, just realize that challenging means more fun later, less fun now.  Try and stay calm while you lose 50 times in a row.

Learn the counter system, then I highly suggest playing sparring, but have the computer controlled char. on a level 8.  It will routinely kick your ass, but that way you have a moving target to hit, and no health to worry about, focus on learning a couple of combos for each char. and being able to counter a few times here and there.

Play through the story mode.  Once again, stop caring about your win loss record, play for fun and trying to enjoy it.  I can't remember how many times I died playing the original ninja gaiden on NES, but I sure remember the day I ran whooping and hollering through the house in my pj's when I finally beat it! (sure wish I had an achievement for that )

It will take much patience, and a whole lot of losing, but you will come to the point that you can consistently beat the comp. on normal.  By the time I was working on story with Hayate (played all other char's first) I beat Alpha on my first try.  

It took me about 200+ tries with Ryu Hayabusa (second char in story mode)  trust me, you'll get it, just walk away from it for a while if you get pissed though.  There is no point in playng if you're going to get upset.

And remember, this is coming from a guy who gets excited when I am beat by a game and it is a really tough challenge.  I find almost every game I play to be really, really easy.

QUOTE(cyberg4 @ Jan 4 2006, 04:50 PM)

Anyone who beats gaiden on the hardest difficulty as well as all of the missions in NGB deserves a hero cookie, fresh from team ninja.  That game is freaking rediculous.  Alma is impossible to beat on normal as is (I'm still working on beating her on normal), but on hard,   .  I want to try out DOA4 now hearing it's difficulty level rather high, but I'll probably wait until it comes into EB games as a previously played game, that someone found as "too difficult". shouldn't be too long, judging by the frustration expressed in this thread alone.

I am on level 4 in NGB on the Ninja Master difficulty.  I play it about 1 hour a week.  If I can make one checkpoint in that hour, I am very, very happy!

I think at this point it would be easier for me to become a real ninja that it would be to finish that game.