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[Master X]

QUOTE(Foe-hammer @ Dec 30 2005, 03:28 AM)

Hell no, that's in-game.  A bud's girlfriends uncle knows one of the lead devs on it.....

 

[Legendary Badass]

I own several DOA games, but I never cared for the fighting mechanics. To me the best fighting games are SFII and the Tekken series. They offer a deaper element that doesn't fall back to quick easy to execute reversals. From what I hear DOA4 is a step closer to these games because the reversals now require some level of mastery. I hope that this is the case. I do think that the character models were excellent for the last gen, but now it is time for more realism. Though from an artistic stand point the characters look well conceived; I feel that the more realistc Tekken and Virtua Fighter models (the ones only seen in stills) are a reflextion of the next gen.

I'll likely buy the game because it is the best chance I have of fighting online with the 360.

[Johnny Johnson]

Haven't played DOA4 yet, but when DOA3 was released for the original XBox, its graphics blew me away.  Kind of like when Soul Calibur was released for the Sega Dreamcast.  I hope that Namco releases Soul Calibur 4 for the 360.  That would kick some serious butt!  

[jaskerzada006]

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I own several DOA games, but I never cared for the fighting mechanics. To me the best fighting games are SFII and the Tekken series. They offer a deaper element that doesn't fall back to quick easy to execute reversals. From what I hear DOA4 is a step closer to these games because the reversals now require some level of mastery. I hope that this is the case. I do think that the character models were excellent for the last gen, but now it is time for more realism. Though from an artistic stand point the characters look well conceived; I feel that the more realistc Tekken and Virtua Fighter models (the ones only seen in stills) are a reflextion of the next gen.

Tekken is for monkeys.  The counters are what make the game so much more complex than the other games you mentioned.  As opposed to Tekkens block or hit system.  If you can pull off reversals so easy in DOA:U, you weren't playing DOA:U.

[KAGE360]

yeah really tekken is not that much of a skill based game.  i have seen PLENTY of times people who just button mash beat out the player who learns the moves and comboes.  tekken has taken a dive, while the DoA and VF series continue to improve.  the countering system may have been a bit easy in DoA3 but after playing DoA:U you really need skill to pull off the counters effectively.  many people have told me i counter too much and rarely do they see people counter as often as i do, that is because i put practice into it.  DoA4 seems to have sped up the machanics and making them more refined giving the game a new layer of depth.  

i cant wait to get the game tonight!!  ill be seeing you suckers in the arena      

[jaskerzada006]

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i cant wait to get the game tonight!! ill be seeing you suckers in the arena

Yes indeed, I look forward to our next encounter.

[Immortal1974]

QUOTE(Rassilon666 @ Dec 30 2005, 01:06 AM)

You gotta be fsckin kidding.  or completely stupid, take your choice.
DOA may be the best 3d fighter on xbox, but thats not saying much.  Its very near the bottom of the list of all 3d fighters.
Virtua Fighter 4 is MILES beyond doa.  even tekken is better than doa.  The only mainstream 3d fighter that is WORSE than DOA is soul calibur.

Its not a bad game, and ill probably pick up doa4 if/when i get an xbox2.

But to dismiss SF and 2d games is purely ignorant.  SF3:third strike is one of the all-time best fighting games.
2D fighters are still going strong, with recent releases of King of Fighters neowave on ps2, King of Fighters XI, Samurai Spirits tenka, and Neo-Geo battle colosseum in the arcade, all with ps2 ports coming; Guilty gear, SF alpha3 on psp, melty blood, rumble fish2, etc.  (OK, those last 2 suck ass, but it shows that the genre is very much alive and well).

To this day, i would much rather play Samurai Spirits 2 or 5:special (though im liking Tenka as well) over any other fighter, 2d or 3d, with the exception of Virtua Fighter 4:evo (or final tuned in the arcade).

Its obvious you are in love with old gen fighters of which almost no one plays anymore, most people are living in the NOW. However just so you are set completely straight beyond your brainwashed mind, DOA3 is most certainly the best fighter ever made untill DOA4 surpasses it. You can look this up on ANY major game site as well as ANY E3 or other awards. It is common knowledge that DOA3 set the bar when it came out providing not only the BEST graphics ever seen in a fighter before but also the best fighting ENGINE ever made. Now the fighting engine part will be a matter of OPINION among gamers like us, but the official word WORLD WIDE from the people who review these games is that DOA3 is the BEST hands down, its not even a question to debate.

I suggest you do your research before you go spewing crap out of your butt thats ONLY based on your opinions and NOTHING else.

peace.

[KAGE360]

no matter how much research is done and no matter who says it an opinion is just that, an opinion.  im not arguing with anyone just stating a fact.  it is a fact that technically the DoA series is the most beautiful of the last generation and that is something that can not be argued on.  however as far as fighting engines, it is a fun and polished engine that Yu Suzuki helped itagaki build up but even with the countering system that i love i believe it still lacks the depth of the VF series which many people also consider ONE of the best 3D fighters out there.  IMO one game is more strategic and sim-like while the other is intense and very reflex heavy both having their positives and negatives with their fighting engines.  the only lackluster in the bunch IMO is tekken which its fighting engine tries to be many things but fails to be anything in the end.  the countering is off-wack, the skill development is trivial when a button masher can beat you, and the combos are not much to add depth to a fighting game.  

i love DoA and VF for different reasons and have played both since their first appearance.  its great to know that we will be getting pretty much everything DoA for another generation in a row, but i would be really happy to hear that VF5 was headed to the 360 as well (with online to boot!!)

[redwolf]

QUOTE(Master X @ Dec 30 2005, 08:12 AM)

Off topic but this pic looks crazy. It says PS3 so I am guessing this is all pre rendered right?

yeah where have you been? all the PS3 games will be pre-renderd. fuck realtime graphic!!! w00t

[Rubix42]

I only played 5 matches at Eb with the manager when I picked the game up on my lunch break, but neither of us were able to pull of a counter.  They are more difficult this time around, or maybe I'm just not used to playing DOA (it's been months)

[Altima NEO]

lol, PS3 and its pre-rendered graphics

360 may be the next Dreamcast, but PS3 will be the next Sega CD. Sewer Shark anyone?

[Kernal69er]

QUOTE(Rassilon666 @ Dec 30 2005, 01:06 AM)

You gotta be fsckin kidding.  or completely stupid, take your choice.
DOA may be the best 3d fighter on xbox, but thats not saying much.  Its very near the bottom of the list of all 3d fighters.
Virtua Fighter 4 is MILES beyond doa.  even tekken is better than doa.  The only mainstream 3d fighter that is WORSE than DOA is soul calibur.

Its not a bad game, and ill probably pick up doa4 if/when i get an xbox2.

But to dismiss SF and 2d games is purely ignorant.  SF3:third strike is one of the all-time best fighting games.
2D fighters are still going strong, with recent releases of King of Fighters neowave on ps2, King of Fighters XI, Samurai Spirits tenka, and Neo-Geo battle colosseum in the arcade, all with ps2 ports coming; Guilty gear, SF alpha3 on psp, melty blood, rumble fish2, etc.  (OK, those last 2 suck ass, but it shows that the genre is very much alive and well).

To this day, i would much rather play Samurai Spirits 2 or 5:special (though im liking Tenka as well) over any other fighter, 2d or 3d, with the exception of Virtua Fighter 4:evo (or final tuned in the arcade).

Anyone who calls the 360 xbox2 has no credibility, lol (not too mention the rest of his crap that he wrote) anyway back to DOA4,, Rogers Video in Canada has them, but no retail stores yet

[rfmok]

whoa...there's nothing wrong with old school fighters!  and I'm not a PS fanboy but what the hell about tekken 5!?  Read the reviews on that and play it!  I'm not saying Tekken 5 is better than DOA3 as a fact, but in my opinion I think it is.  DOA3 wasn't the last fighter ever made...and I'm sure people will argue that soul calibur 2 (which came after DOA3) gives it a run for its money.  But hey these are all opinions! Relax!  

Anyways, I got DOA4 on the 360 and its good.  Graphics are nice.  I'm playing it online trying to figure some things out.  It's definitely a deep fighter and you can't mash buttons like Tekken to win against your opponents.  Takes skills.  I'm going to have to spend some time in sparring mode to learn these characters :-).  Happy gaming people.

[esc1]

QUOTE(Foe-hammer @ Dec 30 2005, 01:28 AM)

Hell no, that's in-game.  A bud's girlfriends uncle knows one of the lead devs on it.....

 

[jaygould30]

Loved DOA3 and will eventually pick DOA4 up. All this arguing about fighting games is stupid. In my opinion Tekken is more of a beat em up game with its lack of skill moves, reversals and such. I really like Soul Caliber but it is no where as deep as DOA or other hand combat fighting games. Soul Caliber is in its own class because its more of a weapon based fighting game. In my opinion the only mainstream fighting game still being produced that features a deep fighting system is DOA. I'd love to see some of the older franchise games resurface and give it a run for its money but as of right now it doesn't look like thats going to happen. Anyway its all preferance people.