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whiteblur67

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« Reply #15 on: September 30, 2005, 05:01:00 PM »

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I believe 80% will buy the hard disk model.


dammit M$ why are you being dumb
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you still have time to vanish the core pack

i have a 4:3 crt normal tv too
its a sony wub.gif
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« Reply #16 on: September 30, 2005, 05:09:00 PM »

grrrrrrr these forums have slowed down so much

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« Reply #17 on: October 01, 2005, 11:01:00 PM »

Sorry Itagaki but I fell in love with this Samsung LCD:
http://product.samsung.com/cgi-bin/nabc/pr...=LNR329DX%2fXAA

I've made all kinds of comparisons already and this is the best HDTV I've seen.
Any of the newer Samsung LCD's will do the trick, no matter what the size is.

I love DLP's but I hate the fact that they're still a projection television in the long run. You still have to replace the tube/bulb and you have to look at the screen at the right hight.
And forget Plasmas....
SED's? Ok I'll look into those when I'm a rich :) That's right after I buy a Ferrari :lol:
CRT's are great if you don't mind 480p and 1080i only.
Samsung's line of HDTV widescreen CRT's look great.
But I don't like the fact that they up convert 720p to 1080i.

I'm telling you, as bad as LCD's are,
Samsung's new (and M$'s official Xbox 360 tv's) LCD's are the ish....
I know which HDTV set I'm going to buy this November :luv:

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« Reply #18 on: October 01, 2005, 11:41:00 PM »

QUOTE(miggidy @ Oct 2 2005, 01:05 AM)
Sorry Itagaki but I fell in love with this Samsung LCD:
http://product.samsung.com/cgi-bin/nabc/pr...=LNR329DX%2fXAA

I've made all kinds of comparisons already and this is the best HDTV I've seen.
Any of the newer Samsung LCD's will do the trick, no matter what the size is.

I love DLP's but I hate the fact that they're still a projection television in the long run. You still have to replace the tube/bulb and you have to look at the screen at the right hight.
And forget Plasmas....
SED's? Ok I'll look into those when I'm a rich :) That's right after I buy a Ferrari :lol:
CRT's are great if you don't mind 480p and 1080i only.
Samsung's line of HDTV widescreen CRT's look great.
But I don't like the fact that they up convert 720p to 1080i.

I'm telling you, as bad as LCD's are,

which model are you getting???
Samsung's new (and M$'s official Xbox 360 tv's) LCD's are the ish....
I know which HDTV set I'm going to buy this November :luv:
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« Reply #19 on: October 01, 2005, 11:55:00 PM »

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that should not be a factor, you wont own a set that long.

but get what your heart and eyes like I always say  beerchug.gif

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DLP manufacturers list the backlight bulb hours at around 80,000 hours, with most reaching over 90,000. What's more, this bulb can be replaced for as little as $200 in some cases, and that price will drop steadily over time.


at the 12 month mark my projector didnt even have 800 (eight hundred hours), and I do a lot of shit on it. That bulb will last me 4 to 5 years, atleast 3. and by that time the bulb for it will be $100 - 150.00 instead of the $300 it is now.

Even at 12 hours a day, 7 days a week...all year long, you'll only reach 4,300 some hours. Thats TWELVE hours a day, every day of the year. Thats 18 Years of use out of a DLP tv  laugh.gif

I just dont want people getting the wrong idea about a DLP tv, the bulb needing replacement isn't an issue. I dont even see it being an issue with a DLP projector at 4,000 hours.

shit, even if you left the set on 24 hours a day, it would still take 9 years for it to go.
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« Reply #20 on: October 02, 2005, 02:57:00 AM »

QUOTE(spIdeZ @ Oct 1 2005, 12:34 AM)
I don't care what anyone says, LCDs rock  biggrin.gif I got a Samsung 930b and I can't see any ghosting or any other artifacts.  Plus it's much easier on the eyes, much clearer, less glare, smaller, and uses less power than CRTs.   love.gif
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« Reply #21 on: October 02, 2005, 12:57:00 PM »

dry.gif best i have is a 27inch 4:3 sony wega from 2001....tv was damn expensive to i could get a 32inch HD samsung today for what we payed

we had an addition to our house and there supposed to buy a tv for that....but they only want to spend $350 max sad.gif
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« Reply #22 on: October 02, 2005, 05:06:00 PM »

QUOTE(miggidy @ Oct 2 2005, 02:05 AM)
CRT's are great if you don't mind 480p and 1080i only.


Really? I play Tony Hawk and Amped 2 just fine and in HD, it upscales.

LCD is improving, but it is still has not reached the same PQ as a GOOD CRT set.

As far as Samsung DLP sets, do a little research on sound lag and Xbox lag.

Kept me from buying one....
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« Reply #23 on: October 02, 2005, 05:08:00 PM »

QUOTE(Deftech @ Oct 2 2005, 03:06 AM)
You do know that the average bulb in a DLP tv lasts upwards of 80,000 (eighty thousand) hours right? Im only mentioning this because thats the only negative you gave the DLP tv  smile.gif

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« Reply #24 on: October 02, 2005, 05:14:00 PM »

ballztothewallz, i got my 30" for 359$ shipped.  Go to www.outlet.philips.com.  The tv ROCKS!
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« Reply #25 on: October 02, 2005, 05:49:00 PM »

QUOTE(SatanX2112 @ Oct 2 2005, 07:19 PM)
I've seen this floating around, wee bit off. 8000 hours tops (thats with minimal off/on).

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=576698
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hmmm

8,000 is what the manufacturers mention, with most exceeding 10k from the little searching I just did.

regardless if its 80 or 8, its still not an issue when buying a tv set or projector. If you cant afford a fuggin $200.00 bulb every 5 to 7 years, then how the hell can you afford a 400.00 console and 60.00 games?

A dlp tv would last me to 6 to 8 years at 8,000 hours, and Id get a new one 2 to 3 years after I purchased it anyways so no bulb problem here. Surely some of you dont have the same tv you got 8 years ago. My bad, *some* of you were only 8 years old 8 years ago. I keep forgetting the ages around here  :(

Shit in the last 11 years(when I got into home theatre hardcore), Ive gone thru 4 tv's(2 of them HD) and a projector.

Noone I know who likes games and movies holds onto a tv for more than 4 to 5 years. With progression comes time to buy new toys  :beer:

I need to check the site that said it was 80,000 hours, maybe I read it wrong?

Nope, I didnt read it wrong..
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DLP manufacturers list the backlight bulb hours at around 80,000 hours. What's more, this bulb can be replaced for as little as $200 in some cases. Certain DLP TV displays require a technician to change their bulbs, and this will cost you more than the lamp itself. In other cases, though, the DLP is configured in a way that makes it easy for a layperson to replace burned-out bulbs. It all depends on the make and model of your DLP.

And, since DLP is a mirror and light technology, once the bulb is replaced, the DLP should perform as well as it did when it was brand new.

Plasma, by contrast, uses a small electric pulse for each pixel to excite the rare natural gases argon, neon, and xenon (a k a "phosphors") to produce the color information and light. As electrons excite the phosphors, oxygen atoms dissipate. These rare gases actually have a life and fade over time. Manufacturers of plasma have estimated the life of these phosphors to be about 60,000 hours. The life of the plasma display itself is usually determined by half-life of the phosphors. So at 30,000 hours the phosphors will be at their half-life, and the viewer will be seeing an image that has half the brightness capability that it did when originally purchased. This should be a good point at which to consider its life over. The gases in plasma TVs cannot be replaced. There is no phenomenon of "pumping" new gases into a plasma display.

Advantage: DLP


Im sure the dlp tv's have a low lamp mode like projectors do. that alone would prolong the life of the bulb by a significant amount, and I can guarantee that Most owners do not use it because it darkens the picture, and most people live a bright picture.

Ive calibrated many a tv for people and they hate how dark it is afterwards. I guess the dont like lifelike pictures and instead of watching it how the directors intended, theyd rather crank up the contrast and black level. Makes me sick  :grr:

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« Reply #26 on: October 02, 2005, 05:56:00 PM »

QUOTE(Heet @ Oct 2 2005, 07:25 PM)
ballztothewallz, i got my 30" for 359$ shipped.  Go to www.outlet.philips.com.  The tv ROCKS!
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Heet, what kind of warranty do you get with the factory renewed ones at that site? doesnt shipping make the deal not worth while?

that 400.00 model on that site (30PW8402/37B)  is the one at target and walmart that I saw when getting my cousins Samsung.

I want a hdtv resembling the phillips in every room of the house, including the bathroom!
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« Reply #27 on: October 02, 2005, 05:49:00 PM »

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j/k  pop.gif
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« Reply #28 on: October 02, 2005, 06:08:00 PM »

QUOTE(Deftech @ Oct 2 2005, 08:53 PM)

I need to check the site that said it was 80,000 hours, maybe I read it wrong?

Nope, I didnt read it wrong..


I'm not trying to fight or bad mouth DLP, but seriously, do a search at  AVSforum.com, no one gets anywhere near that.

http://www.dlptvreview.com/dlptv/3estimated.html

http://www.primediahometech.com/dlpseeit/705common/

How long will it last?
This is really a two-part question. The DLP parts should last as long as any other TV. The lamp on the other hand, doesn't live nearly as long. Each DLP projector uses a lamp (a fancy light bulb) to create the light that eventually ends up on a screen as a picture. These last from between 1500 and 8000 hours. Bulb life is going up, and costs are going down. Currently a replacement bulb costs $200-400 or so.
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« Reply #29 on: October 02, 2005, 06:19:00 PM »

QUOTE(Carlo210 @ Oct 2 2005, 08:00 PM)
Hey Deftech, is there any possibility you could be hospitable and pass down one of your tv's down to me?  :D 

j/k  :popcorn:
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I dont have any tv's, well the 25" in my room, but nothing you'd want.

and Satan, for there to be a huge difference between 1500 and 8000 hours, somethings amiss.

the low end either reflects someone abusing it or the bulb was shit to begin with, or both. No way in hell should there be such a difference in average bulb life.

why am I talking about this? I'll never buy a tv again, not for main viewing(movies and games) anyways. I wanna get the phillips or samsung crt's that are cheap, the picture on them are fantastic. And for $300.00? Maybe thats what Carlo is talking about  :P



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