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[KAGE360]

this talk about the HD will go on for as long as this next gen lasts.  

of course no one will be talking down the ps3 saying that it having NO HD will hinder its performance.  and why ladies and gents??  because the zombies believe in the almighty godly Cell chip.  ooooo,  aaahhhhhh

ok im done

[maxgeek]

Hearing that developers can make use of the harddrive restored all my confidence in XBOX 360. I was really bummed when I first heard the Aussie Developer talk about how not having a hd was a limiting factor for games.

[Foe-hammer]

Saying that only good devs will be able to use the 360's hdd to it's full advantage, is like saying only a few good devs will be able to tap into the ps3's power.  You say that having only a few good devs that take advantage of the 360's hdd is good, while the few good devs who take advantage of the ps3 is bad.  Do you get my reasoning?  In both cases you have limiting factors, and limitations is not good.

Even though there will be good devs who will take full advantage of the 360's hdd, it still will require more work, time, and money to do so, that would not be the case other wise if the hdd was standard.  Do you understand what i'm saying; my concerns here?

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While the ps3 would also benefit with a standard hdd, the ps3 is not even shipping with an hdd.  So there is no, "what ifs"; it's not even an issue. If the xbox were not shipping with an hdd at all, there would be no discussion about it; as is the case with the ps3.  

Also, the hdd has become accustom to the xbox; the main thing that separated it from the other consoles.  So to not have it standard will create discussion/concerns.  Sony or Nintendo never had an hdd, so who cares; there's nothing to talk about.

This post has been edited by Foe-hammer: Sep 27 2005, 05:31 AM

[Deftech]

thats a poor attitude, and by your way of thinking, that lets sony and nintendo off the hook for not even offering one, thats bs.

I didnt say the good devs will be the only ones that are "able to" use the hdd. I said the good devs will max their games out as if the hdd IS standard, thats a huge fuggin difference.

"being able" is totally different from taking the time and using it. They are all able, but most wont maximize their game so that the hardcore owners get the best possible game.

again, the games I want wont suffer from limitations. DOA 4 for example...hdd owners will get a version that was developed as if the HDD IS standard, no limitations. I said its good for me, nothing else. The big name games I want will all take after DOA 4, they will be made as if the hdd was standard. all the other games I get are icing on the cake and I couldnt care less how the hdd is used with those.

I also said that wont hold true for the majority of games, so we are going in circles here.

so MS is evil for offering the buyer a choice. But Sony pulls the plug on it and they get a pat on the back, for what?

 

this hdd shit really needs to die.

the sku's, the pricing, its all genious. GENIOUS!  

am I spelling that correctly?  :lol:

[miggidy]

When you sit down and really think about the whole non-standard HDD issue, you will find that it's not a big deal.
Sure, it would've been nice to include it in every box. But by no means will this hamper gameplay.

Very few devs even bothered with the current Xbox's hdd.
And those who did, are planning on supporting it again with their new X360 projects. Think about that for a while....

So far we've seen a couple of devs complain about it, one turned out to be nothing more than a cry baby. Mad cuz his poor Steam engine depends on a HDD. And it's only a matter of time these Saint's Row devs turn out to be cry babies as well.
Using this dev's logic, if Saint's Row were to go multi-platform (which probably will) then it means that only the Xbox 360 version would get flying missions while the poor PS3 would be left out  :rolleyes:

Point is the devs who want to take advantage of the hard drive, will.
The one's who don't, won't.
And the ones who say they would have if the HDD was standard are lazy and are only using this as an excuse for their failures.
Much like a slacker always blames everyone else for his failures :lol:

This post has been edited by miggidy: Sep 27 2005, 06:34 AM

[Deftech]

the CoD 2 demo is done DLing..off to install!

[miggidy]

QUOTE(Deftech @ Sep 27 2005, 07:59 AM)

the CoD 2 demo is done DLing..off to install!

Damn it! I better download it myself!

[Deftech]

I am in WWII heaven!

Only thing that sucks is I cant go above Normal for detail, it doesnt even offer it to me due ot my older card.

it runs super smooth though, I posted pics in the other thread.

see you fuggers on Live with this!!

BOOM!!!

[Foe-hammer]

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I didnt say the good devs will be the only ones that are "able to" use the hdd. I said the good devs will max their games out as if the hdd IS standard, thats a huge fuggin difference.

And neither did I.  I said that good devs will be able to take full advantage of the hdd, when present.  Which is exactly what you said.  Am i missing something?  What the fug are you talking about?

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so MS is evil for offering the buyer a choice. But Sony pulls the plug on it and they get a pat on the back, for what?

What the flip are you talking about?  I sure the shit am not on Sony's side here.  And besides, when did Sony ever lead people to believe there were going to support an hdd standard?  While it's great that MS is even offering an hdd in one of its sku's, it sucks that they didn't make it standard; something i was expecting.  I never expected the other two companies to even offer an hdd.

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the sku's, the pricing, its all genious. GENIOUS! 

Good hell, i'm an xbox fan as much as the next hardcore xbox owner, but you're making me throw up; you don't believe all the MS pr bullshit, do you?  
How on earth is two sku's genius, from a tech standpoint, and not financial?  From a tech view, one sku with a standard hdd would have been better.

My point still stands, that one sku with an hdd would have been better from a dev point of view, and for us.  How?  As i've stated before, more time, money, and resources will be required to make a game run good off DVD, and as well take full advantage of the hdd when present.  This will cause games to take longer to develop then if there was one sku with hdd standard, or make the game be rushed.  And other devs will not want to take the extra time/resources to do this.  Both case scenarios will affect the end user, that being us.

I'm surprised that you do not see the logic in this.


Take it easy on people who do not smell roses on everything MS has to say.

[Deftech]

I never said it was genious from a tech standpoint, lol. Sure it would have been cool if it was standard...BUT IT IS NOT, AND ALL THE BITCHING IN THE WORLD WONT CHANGE THAT.

its genious because MS runs a fuggin business, they arent out to wipe our tears when we dont like something they do.

Them actually MAKING a profit on hdd's and memory cards for the 1st 6 months its on the market does many things, the biggest being allowing them to drop the price on Both skus when the ps3 hits.

The more $$ they make, the more stable the entire gaming side of things will be for them, and the more we will benefit in the long run.

they lost $$ due to the xbox architecture. Lets say they profit billions upon billions by taking this route of 2 skus, that leaves the door wide open for a cheaper xbox 720, one with a huge ass standard hdd, thats just an example.

all anyone heard in the beginning was that the hdd in the ps3 was going to be 80gigs or whatever, and thats not even the point. the point is atleast MS has a fuggin plan and maybe after time passes, all the whiners will see how it was genious!

fuggin A

less than 20% of all xbox games used the hdd for anything other than game saves.

having or not having a hdd will not be a hinderance in the long run, and for those devs that bitch and moan, stfu. They have the ability to overcome any hurdles, if they chose not to, oh well. fuggin lazy wastes of skin.

the best devs will not allow the skus to keep them from giving us the best experience possible, thats ALL I care about. The very few high profile ones Im looking forward too will be developed as if it was standard.

Genious I say! Genious!!

 :lol:

Im a PR man!!

w000h000000000!

Back to CoD 2!!!

[Deftech]

DOAx 2

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1UP: Will Pool Hopping be back?

TI: Yeah. There's no reason to cut it out.

 

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1UP: Dead or Alive Ultimate used the DOAXBV graphics-engine. Will DOAX2 use the DOA4 engine this time around?

TI: The engine's going to be refined so that it's better at showing the body, the skin on the body. And yes, it will use the DOA4 engine, of course. But when it comes time for us to work on DOAX2, obviously we'll be more familiar with the Xbox 360 hardware, so it'll be better looking.

 

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Dead or Alive: Code Cronus
1UP: Dead or Alive: Code Cronus. Can you please explain what the hell this game is?

TI: I officially sent MS details about what's known as Code Cronus. MS knows about it. [Laughs] It's a story about Kasumi and Ayane and how they grow up to be these great female ninjas.

1UP: So it's not going to be like Dead or Alive Kids, where they're five years-old, is it?

TI: No, it's actually is close to what you just said. [Laughs]

1UP: And you sent in this proposal to MS. Did the envelope say "You should be sitting down to read this?"

TI: Yeah, they were shocked when they read it. They were surprised.

 

[Foe-hammer]

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the best devs will not allow the skus to keep them from giving us the best experience possible, thats ALL I care about.

I hope your predictions turn out true.  But the pessimist in me believes otherwise.

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BACK TO WHAT THIS THREAD WAS ABOUT..NOT SOME FUGGIN HDD CRYING..

I would not have even brought it up if you had not; i don't make a point to share my views on the hdd issue, unless talked about first.

I'm done with the pissing match...  

Cannot wait for oblivion, and ninja gaiden 2.

[Deftech]

QUOTE(Foe-hammer @ Sep 27 2005, 04:41 AM)

I hope your predictions turn out true.  But the pessimist in me believes otherwise.
I would not have even brought it up if you had not; i don't make a point to share my views on the hdd issue, unless talked about first.

I'm done with the pissing match... :lol: 

Cannot wait for oblivion, and ninja gaiden 2.

I quoted Itagaki from the article, what am I supposed to do? not prove that myself and others were right all along? the good devs will use it af it was standard. He confirmed it today.

Just played the CoD 2 demo for the 4th time, lol

great stuff.

Im not even going to bed, eff it. Ive got 6 trees to cut down and cut up in                   3 hours so trying to sleep now would be futile   :lol:

I didnt find the sniper rifle    

Oops off topic.

team NInja!!      

[Foe-hammer]

QUOTE(Deftech @ Sep 27 2005, 11:00 AM)

I quoted Itagaki from the article, what am I supposed to do? not prove that myself and others were right all along? the good devs will use it af it was standard. He confirmed it today.

You still brought up the whole hdd topic again, regardless if you quoted something.  And you only focus on what you want to on the hdd topic.

For example:

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when I first heard that, I was surprised, I was kind of shocked, it impacted me at the time. But the point is that what everyone's feeling right now, to us that happened months ago. I've already gotten through that, I've already digested it and got past it, so that's why I really can't get too worked up over it right now.

Itagaki also confirmed what i am saying, he would rather have an hdd standard (he was/is not happy about it), and previously got "worked up over it".  Not having it as such was/is an issue.

Damnit, deftech!  My bladder is running empty!  :lol:

[KAGE360]

M_hael himself said that the code to make a game run and cache using a HD if one is present is easy.  it would not take much time at all from development other then just designing the game to adapt well to both skus. that is all.  

i could understand the concern if no devs were talking about downloadable content, or using the HD at all (knowing that 80% of the 360 sold will have HDs is enough reason for any dev to use it).  even bethesda said they were planning on having DL content for oblivion as well as many many other devs.  if not having an HD hinders the game then the devs designed the engine or code wrong that is it.  

again hopefully this talk will calm down when people realize that none of the ps3s will have a HD but no one will talk about its performance being hindered because of it.  

anyways yeah team ninja rules!!! yyyeeeeeaaaaahhhhhh!!!