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[Reaper527]

QUOTE(ConteZero76 @ Aug 1 2007, 03:54 PM)

If you want to say that 8+ Gb are useless for games, you're out of luck here.
As for PS3, we're alive and well with our WASTED 50Gb BD, just like PS2 owners were happy with their WASTED 8,4Gb DVD (as Dreamcast fans liked to say).

how many ps2 games use more space then a single layer dvd? Xenosaga maybe? i'm drawing blanks on games that use anything close to the 8.4 gig mark, and am thinking more along the 2-4 gig mark.

on a side note, what good is 50gigs on a disc that is to slow to read.

[KAGE360]

now honestly i dont know that much about DVD format, GPUs, CPUs, and such interest me more.  

however is there any reason that MS couldnt lisence and use a similar technology as this....

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Japan-based electronics giant Hitachi has developed a technology which allows 200 movies to be packed into a single DVD disc.

This is achieved by stacking multiple data-storing layers on a disc to allow reading and writing of a vast amount of data that can run up to 400 hours, reported the Agence French-Presse news agency.

The report said conventional DVD storage technology allows up to two layers to be used on one disc, but Hitachi's breakthrough can boost storage significantly by allowing for multiple layers.

"We expect demand for a DVD with a bigger capacity and hope to market the product globally in the near future," Hitachi spokesman Takeshi Kawakami was quoted as saying.

The company said it hopes to commercialise the technology, which was jointly developed with its audio and video storage subsidiary Hitachi Maxwell, by 2007.

Besides DVDs, optical storage vendors have also been looking to pack more into normal compact discs (CD).

Last month, Sanyo said its new technique can double the amount of data stored on CD-recordable discs. The firm said its technology fits 1.4GB of data into a standard 700MB (80-minute) blank CD write-once or rewritable disc.

http://news.zdnet.co.uk/hardware/0,1000000...4925,00.htm?r=1

also i thought i remember reading or hearing about sony owning a patent for 5 layer DVD among other articles i have read in the past of similar technologies.  

so my question is, cant the 360 run/read and use this (or similar) type of technology, finally putting to rest any doubts, fears, and bull**** surrounding this pointless debate?

QUOTE(Reaper527 @ Aug 3 2007, 02:40 PM)

how many ps2 games use more space then a single layer dvd? Xenosaga maybe? i'm drawing blanks on games that use anything close to the 8.4 gig mark, and am thinking more along the 2-4 gig mark.

on a side note, what good is 50gigs on a disc that is to slow to read.

not to mention the fact that the ps3 doesnt run the majority of it's effects in software and thus requires more code and space to emulate such effects.  plus, unless i'm mistaken, but the majority of the ps2 games are pressed on DVD5 which made a difference.

of course anyone please correct me on anything

[twistedsymphony]

QUOTE(KAGE360 @ Aug 3 2007, 09:28 PM)

... is there any reason that MS couldnt lisence and use a similar technology as this....

really whether or not you can use that technology depends on how good your laser array is. I'm sure there are consumer products on the market that could start utilizing this tech with as little as a firmware update (which would be necessary no matter what)  but some devices would need all new laser hardware.

it of course requires much higher focus accuracy because it works by basically focusing at a very specific depth and filtering everything else out. I would imagine some player would even have too much disc wobble to be accurate enough.

Assuming the hardware is good enough to handle it in the 360 (which I doubt considering the disc scratching and DRE issues) they'd still need to do a firmware update and I doubt they could do that either, because if they could I would imagine they would have pushed one out at this point to help quash piracy.

[KAGE360]

thanks twisted, i figured enough about the update being needed regardless, but wasnt sure of everything else.

this disk size topic never really bothered me, as long as it doesnt hinder the gameplay, im more then happy to save the extra $$ for it.  all these stupid little fanboyish debates and such just get old at times.

This post has been edited by KAGE360: Aug 4 2007, 04:33 PM

[matallica28]

More then one disk is ok, it was done with GT2 on the PSone. And a couple of RPGs were two disks on ps2.
Mutliple disks are just as a good as one big disk. Not better, just as good.

[Johnny Johnson]

QUOTE(tgm4883 @ Jul 31 2007, 11:40 AM)

Wrong, there is enough space on DVD for high definition.  But the movie industry would much rather you re buy your movies on HD-DVD or Bluray.  Joe Consumer doesn't know any better so he buys it thinking its better.  Tell me, why do they release movies that weren't even shot with a High Def camera on HD-DVD and Bluray?

TGM4883, you're correct.  There is room for HD on a DVD-9.  Proof of this is that you can download 720p movies from Marketplace that are around 5-6GB each.  Unfortunately the problem comes when trying to fit all of the High-def extras on the disc.  That is where they take advantage of HD-DVD's and Blu-ray's extra capacity.  Too bad they don't release 720p movies on regular dual-layer DVD's (without all of the extra features and whatnot).