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[Owtlaw333]

QUOTE(Megamil @ Mar 30 2006, 12:23 AM)

I think they need to get those xbox programmers they sent to help the Vista team back.

Was thinking the exact same thing.

And I second the Rallisport vote. Then that means I'd need ta buy myself another wheel... But Rallisport3 sounds fantastic. I thought 2 looked great, and now a next gen version... Although wasn't EA aquiring DICE? That would kinda make me lose hope...

[corkinator]

Quick question... I assume all backwards compatible games are upped to 720p, but do they 'all' have anti-aliasing also?

And how does the jaggy city in San Andreas look?

Cheers

[C89ZX7R]

QUOTE(OffRoader23 @ Mar 30 2006, 04:47 AM)

Yeah, when I saw this on the RSS I was expecting something I actually had.. 3 games, thats like nothing.  I am seriously hoping that they add Counter-Strike, and both the Unreal Championships, because those are a few of the games I still have left.  Now I can't play Counter-Strike on live, because they haven't added them yet, but thank god I can still play Barbie Horse Adventures!!  

lol funny . have you looked at the bottom of the list you could be playing
Yourself!Fitness
http://www.xbox.com/...ourselffitness/

[luther349]

the ps3 has both ps2 and ps1 hardware inside. it will play all sony games bascily.  they coulda done this with the 360 but they would be 2 drawbacks. the 360 would been larger sence it would need both both the nivida and the xbox orignal x86 prosser.  and it woulda been more expensiv also rember at first they whernt even going to be backwords compatble.

the ps3 i guess will have both blueray and standerd dvd sence blueray isnt backwords comptable. probly a dubble lazer job. the cell prosser is supposed to blow everything away even the tri core xbox 360 prosser. it will also sport a larger harddrive. its acully a first for sony to build a powerhouse. the ps2 is the weaker of all the systems even the dreamcast had more power. lets not forget there online service will have both free and pay serice but both will allow you to play all games. as for the 360 prosser its not relly tri core anyways sence it only has 1 memery unit when it should have 3 if it was a real multiprosser arc not mutch woulda been able to beat it.

of course we all learned by experance not the most powerfull system wins the console war. if it was true it wouldent be sony vs m$ it would be sega vs nintendo in the n64 and dreamcast days sence both consoles where more powerfull then the ps1.

with rumers sqare started with ff13 being the next mmo but also going to be multi console targeted who knoes whats gonna happon.

[richie579]

San Andreas is definitely cleaner....but the shimmering and stairstepping ain't going nowhere, damn shame cuz it's one of my favorite games....gotta be their graphics engine for that game, cuz even the pc version at 4xAA still has a lot of shimmering....tried Black last night, and damn, I guess I won't send it back to gamefly yet after all...a good looking xbox game, lookin even better...too bad I gotta wait for my new HDD to come in, the one that came with my system is f**ked

[KAGE360]

QUOTE(constanboi @ Mar 30 2006, 08:14 AM)

bah I dont care what you xbox fanboys say.... 3 new games to the list is a complete JOKE...... nearly 4-5 months to release a new update and for what.... 3...games??!?! 3 GAMES?!?

this really pisses me off...  backwards compatability my ass....

seriously, what-a-joke.... 3 games? when i read the title i thought to myself, "finally jesus"... and then i read the "3 new games".. i was like.. "thats got to be a typo, the writer probably wanted to write 39 or 53..."...
i also dont give a shit about "the ps2 has the ps1 chip in it, the ps3 has the ps2+ps1 chip in it" excuses..... ALL i see is the ps3 = emulate 99% (im guessing a few wont work).. of ps2 and ps1 games..

360 = emulates like 20% of games...........
ugh I WANT TO PLAY SHENMUE 2 ON MY 360 GOD DAMN ITTTTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

p.s no i dont have an xbox, only a 360.
=/

im not sure what youre expecting, but the graphical improvements are minimal, they wont look like a completely new next-gen game if thats what youre hoping for.

Besides, only a couple of months until winning eleven 10 is released FOR the 360... hopefully it works on all versions (the jap version always come out a few months earlier than the rest). or at LEAST someone releases a region-free hack by that time.

go ahead and call out any names you like but before ranting a storm why not wait a little while and do some research to see if some of the existing BC titles have recieved improvements as well (like forza).  BC isnt so easy to just switch on as its been said many times.  also since black was just added it wont be long until many renderware titles are added.  

i do understand you though, i want shemnue 2 BC really bad, and to add put on PDO and ill be happy.

on a related note to your comment, doesnt the ps3 need to emulate the ps2 and ps1 games as well?  i can see the ps1 games being easy as im sure the cell alone can run it just fine but its the GPU that causes problems for emulation.  im curious to see how high the rate of ps2 games really is unless sony does for the ps3 as they did with the ps2 (add a ps2 chip inside the ps3 to make BC painless)

[VinnySem]

I'd rather 3 games work flawlessly than 20 work half-assed.

I want to try Forza again tonite when I get home, that framerate before was ASS.

And PLEASE keep the flamebait to yourself. Jerkoffs that dont even have a 360 complaining about BW compatibility is a fuckin joke.

[Shinamano]

ANyone tried out Ninja Gaiden Black since the update...I have been thinking of getting it, but want it to be as good as Ninja Gaiden...as far as smooth as buttah!

[twistedsymphony]

QUOTE(Owtlaw333 @ Mar 30 2006, 04:28 AM)

Was thinking the exact same thing.

And I second the Rallisport vote. Then that means I'd need ta buy myself another wheel... But Rallisport3 sounds fantastic. I thought 2 looked great, and now a next gen version... Although wasn't EA aquiring DICE? That would kinda make me lose hope...

EA did aquire DiCE but MS owns the rights to the Rallysport franchise... so basically expect a completely new dev team for RS3, but thankfully no ties to EA. (Maybe if we're lucky the Forza team is working on it)

QUOTE(corkinator @ Mar 30 2006, 05:41 AM)

Quick question... I assume all backwards compatible games are upped to 720p, but do they 'all' have anti-aliasing also?...

Yes they do all have AA also

For all those haters out there... emulation is no easy task, it took YEARS for most of the homebrew emulators to even get to playable states, never mind console perfect, and those are for consoles decades old already. MS didn't have to include BC at all, and the compatability list was distributed before the console launched. They didn't make any promises past that they would continue to work on it...  If you were expecting more then that then you obviously read way too far into the hype.

[Lizard King]

QUOTE(twistedsymphony @ Mar 30 2006, 09:20 AM)

They didn't make any promises past that they would continue to work on it...  If you were expecting more then that then you obviously read way too far into the hype.

I'm gonna hafta disagree with you there TS. MS published a list of games that would work. A lot of those games did not work - Some didn't boot right, some just loaded the menu and would lock on load (Splinter Cell) some had graphics anomolies that affected gameplay in varied ways. There was nothing in the FAQ about these problems (at the time), nor at the time I bought my 360. I was disappointed on Day one becasue of my library, Halo1 was the only game I could play.....again, according to MS's information, I should have been able to play 4.

MS had a FAQ about the BC games and said each game was "hand tested". My "research" about BC, about which games to sell for my old Xbox, about which games to keep, was all done with information put out by MS.

I believe that MS misled a bunch of people about BC. (My pessimistic view in intentionally, but that's just me....)

[KAGE360]

QUOTE(Shinamano @ Mar 30 2006, 09:18 AM)

ANyone tried out Ninja Gaiden Black since the update...I have been thinking of getting it, but want it to be as good as Ninja Gaiden...as far as smooth as buttah!

i played ninja gaiden before the latest update and i thought it ran fine.  yes it was a little bit smoother on the xbox but it was nothing bad at all.  i loved it on the 360 and im a fiend for NG.

back to the topic, i know that there may be some games that dont work on the BC list that have been taken off.  also anyone in gaming, especially here, should NOT expect any kind of emulation to be perfect, or even near, on day one or even year one.  i have to keep saying that almost everyone here was expecting around 12-20 titles on launch day and they gave us around 200.  they are doing what they set out to do, make every game BC, and there will be room for improvement for a while now.  im happy that MS took this approach to BC as i think it was a good decision to concentrate on making a NEXT GEN console first and not put any time or resources in developing a system with BC and maybe holding something back from the final product.  like twisted said, they didnt have to do anythin of this (and from early reports they werent going to) but they did and now even though the end product is better then we expected, people will still complain.  

i suggest give it time like anything else in the emulation world and all should be fixed, i understand where some dissapointment can come from as there are games i want to be BC that arent, but good things will come eventually.  in the mean time why not enjoy some next gen games on your next gen console.

[incognegro]

QUOTE(RogueStorm @ Mar 30 2006, 05:02 PM)

Seriously, why is everyone bitching about Shenmue II?  The game was a Dreamcast port to the Xbox in the first place.  Hell, it didn't even garner a 80% rating on most sites, why the hell would you want it to run so badly on your 360?

Let me break it down slowly for you:

Because......They......liked.......it. Who cares what another site said? if you played it and like it then wtf?

anyways, If I was on the Back Compat team an read anything on these forums you probably wouldnt be getting any updates at all! in fact, I might just break some of the games just to piss you off because you know, nobody buys a 360 to play 360 games! They use it to play xbox 1 games and then run to the forums and bitch about something that isn't really that big a deal in the first place.

[KAGE360]

QUOTE(RogueStorm @ Mar 30 2006, 11:02 AM)

Seriously, why is everyone bitching about Shenmue II?  The game was a Dreamcast port to the Xbox in the first place.  Hell, it didn't even garner a 80% rating on most sites, why the hell would you want it to run so badly on your 360?

you wouldnt understand if you arent a fan of the series.  its not just shemnue 2 but some other games that i didnt want to let go or was not worth the trade in value.

[dmitri]

Why are you guys crying so much?  It's in MS's best interest to sell NEW games.  Rally Sport 3, Burnout 360, etc..

1. At E3, MS said Xbox 360 would run the "top-selling Xbox games."
2. MS promised 200+(!!) games emulated

If you want to keep your full library, buy a PS3.  Don't expect anything more than was promised from MS.

 

[ZildjianKX]

QUOTE(RogueStorm @ Mar 30 2006, 08:02 AM)

Seriously, why is everyone bitching about Shenmue II?  The game was a Dreamcast port to the Xbox in the first place.  Hell, it didn't even garner a 80% rating on most sites, why the hell would you want it to run so badly on your 360?

Actually it might look pretty good with FSAA on the 360.