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[deakphreak]

QUOTE(tomb @ Dec 30 2005, 05:14 PM)

I am glad to see so much enthusiasm for my post, but I would like to clarify some things if I may. I have seen Xbox 360 in 1024x768 and it appeared not to have AA. I do believe Xbox 360 has a great amount of potential! I am just lamenting the fact that developers are not taking advantage of all its power. I feel it is appropriate to compare pc and xbox 360 because although an Xbox 360 may cost less, a hi-def big screen television will run between $800-$1200. Now add in the price of the console and you could buy yourself a nice gaming pc. I addition the Xbox 360 does not eliminate the need for a home pc. A decent home pc (not a budget one) will cost
$800+ and now add in the cost of buying a console not to mention a special tv on to that. This equals about $1200 once again for just a bit more investment of money you can puchase a nice gaming computer. By the way a nice gaming computer can  be purchased for $1000-$2000 not $2000-$3000. Thank you for considering by point of view.

That is true and i never actually though of it like that, in the end you will pay lots of money for a nice gaming system no matter what your using.  It really is a matter of opinion as i really enjoy games on as big of a screen as i can but i dont play on my projector because it doesnt have the quality an HDTV does.  I use my pc for many other various things but i rarely play games on it even though ive got the hookups, 600 watt p/s, geforce 6800 pci-e ect....  I love using a mouse but i can use controllers well and so overall thats why i stick with console games mainly.  Its great hearing all these opinions but i hate when people say the games suck when they dont know the first thing about making a game and the process these people go though. Sure there was the rush to get games out som im sure they could have been better, but its really harsh to say these games are crap when ovbiously lots of work was put into them and they sure do look great from my point of view.

[marauderrt10]

QUOTE(Kernal69er @ Dec 29 2005, 04:31 PM)

Why must people like you always compare CONSOLEs to PCs .... If everyone could afford a power PC for $2000-$3000 then they would have one

Buty a xbox 360 for $500 CAD with that much power, build me a PC for that price with that much power?? YOU CAN'T

Thats exactly what ive been trying to tell all the stupid PC fany boys in my school.

[deakphreak]

QUOTE(marauderrt10 @ Dec 30 2005, 06:02 PM)

Thats exactly what ive been trying to tell all the stupid PC fany boys in my school.

Can you surf the net with an xbox and download things? Can you edit movie files and burn dvd's? Can you run windows and install programs? The xbox is great but there is no reason to get in a fight over which is better, the pc has MANY other uses then just gaming and the xbox is cheap, so there are good and bad points of both, take your pick.

[crobar]

in the reeal world...PC's are for work...not play...
when you have to work on a computer all day you DO NOT want to go home in sit infront of a pc again...

[deakphreak]

QUOTE(crobar @ Dec 30 2005, 06:21 PM)

in the reeal world...PC's are for work...not play...
when you have to work on a computer all day you DO NOT want to go home in sit infront of a pc again...

Im at a PC all day at work and that is right, i get really sick of sitting in a computer chair all day.  I love just going to lounge on my couch and play some games.

[tomb]

In regard to the point about development time. Thats a good point I hadn't thought of, but I have a feeling that it has more to do with money than anything. If the developers gave you all they got right away there would be less anticipation for newer games. What do you think?

[deakphreak]

QUOTE(tomb @ Dec 30 2005, 06:38 PM)

In regard to the point about development time. Thats a good point I hadn't thought of, but I have a feeling that it has more to do with money than anything. If the developers gave you all they got right away there would be less anticipation for newer games. What do you think?

Very good point as well, the thought of money just went right past me.  Im sure a lot of the companies had limited budgets for the games especially since its a new system and they dont want to put all their money into producing games for it right away.

[deftonesmx17]

QUOTE(crobar @ Dec 30 2005, 12:21 PM)

in the reeal world...PC's are for work...not play...
when you have to work on a computer all day you DO NOT want to go home in sit infront of a pc again...

Let me ask you a question then. Are you ever at work when you post here on XS? If so, that is play and not work

Thats an opinion. I am at work as I type. Guess what, I want to go home and play on my computer (playing on my computer consists of much more than just playing games).............not my consoles.

[Carlo210]

Pc's require maintenance in terms of needing to stay up-to date (even loosely) to play the games that come out. Playing Half Life 2 is no easy feat with a 2001 gaming pc. At my age, I dont' have money to spend to make sure I can play the latest games at the highest graphics. Now I can get a pc and play at lower graphics with my older gaming pc (for example, a 2 year old gaming pc), but that is not why I spent 1500-2000 to rebuild my pc. This is why, for now, I'm sticking with consoles. If things tend to continue at this rate with developers moving onto consoles, I may stick with them forever.

I also hate gaming with kbd and mouse. If I play online shooters, I get my ass handed to me on a bronze platter.
There are pros and cons to each, I'm just commenting on my own personal 'cons' to a pc. They are more useful and worth the money on a broader range, and games are cheaper, and you can mod them, and so forth, but it jsut doesn't suit my style. I use this pc right here for web surfing. Some of you need to stop acting as if people who get gaming pc's get it to surf the web. They don't. They get it to game because any low end pc can surf the web for 200$.

Edit: Sure, I can go spend 1500-2000 to build apc to Xbox 360's specs, but what will that do for me? If I had the money, sure I'd probably do it, but I would be prepared to spend an extra 500$ every 2 years (plus an extra 500 for a worthwhile future cpu with more than 1-2 cores, because 1-2 cores will be low-end in 2-3 years) to keep the 'pros' of a gaming pc alive.

This post has been edited by Carlo210: Dec 31 2005, 02:12 AM

[tomb]

If you got a decent TV set to go with that 360 then you will be doing well. I however, have a regular 25" CRT(the big box) television set so I would not be able to enjoy playing 360 at its full potential. I did have a decent computer which I upgraded for about $300. I guess its a matter of what you like and what setup you already have. For example I LOVE kbd and mouse and hate controllers. Dont lecture me please it is just my preference. Therefore, if I needed a new pc and a new tv at the same time and wanted to do gaming I would buy a gaming pc instead of a 360 and hidef tv. I have already got this topic way off track so I will allow you to continue with it and I will not post anymore about PCvsXBox, because either way MS rocks.

This post has been edited by tomb: Dec 31 2005, 05:50 AM

[m_hael]

QUOTE(tomb @ Dec 30 2005, 08:14 AM)

I have seen Xbox 360 in 1024x768 and it appeared not to have AA.

I assume you are talking about COD2 again - if you are you are most definitely wrong about the 1024x768 resolution. It IS 1280x720 (16/9 widescreen).

Regarding the AA, I cannot comment on that but I can tell you that it looks pretty darned good.

QUOTE(tomb @ Dec 30 2005, 09:38 AM)

In regard to the point about development time. Thats a good point I hadn't thought of, but I have a feeling that it has more to do with money than anything. If the developers gave you all they got right away there would be less anticipation for newer games. What do you think?

that you're wrong. Its called development because it develops. Look up the word and see what it means (its not a moniker).

Developers may have tech that is ahead of the game they have just released however there is a very valid reason for this. Tech has to be used in order to look good, in order to use it the game has to be designed around it and to design around it the tech has to exist beforehand else be a tried and tested technique being applied to an existing engine and thus be a sure thing. Either way it has to be ready months and months before the game is finished in order to go through iterative and functional testing.

When a game is released the engine team for that company have likely superceded the tech being used several times over BUT they didn't hold back, they simply developed the new tech whilst the currently GAME was being made.

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[jizmo]

QUOTE(deakphreak @ Dec 30 2005, 07:23 PM)

Im at a PC all day at work and that is right, i get really sick of sitting in a computer chair all day.  I love just going to lounge on my couch and play some games.

Amen to that.

Doing anything on my home PC resembles working far too much working and I just want to kick myself every time I touch the computer back home.

[Wedding-shirt]

QUOTE(DWells55 @ Dec 30 2005, 12:11 AM)

Comparing a 360 in 480i to an Xbox in 480i is like comparing a Civic and a McLaren based on how they perform in a school zone.  Sure, the McLaren (360) will be better, but not by as much as it could be if you let it use it's whole potential (HDTV).

I will say that the one thing that bugs me is the fact that my over 1 and a half year old PC which cost me around $750 makes CoD2 and Quake 4 look better than the 360 version.  And FEAR looks better than eveything except PGR3 (which needs higher FSAA and resolution [1024x600?]) and PD0 (stunning graphics other than the unrealistic faces, but nothing liek the gem of an original). Kameo also looked fantastic, but I have no doubt my PC could handle it.

What exactly are your PC specs?

[Wedding-shirt]

QUOTE(tomb @ Dec 30 2005, 11:14 AM)

I am glad to see so much enthusiasm for my post, but I would like to clarify some things if I may. I have seen Xbox 360 in 1024x768 and it appeared not to have AA. I do believe Xbox 360 has a great amount of potential! I am just lamenting the fact that developers are not taking advantage of all its power. I feel it is appropriate to compare pc and xbox 360 because although an Xbox 360 may cost less, a hi-def big screen television will run between $800-$1200. Now add in the price of the console and you could buy yourself a nice gaming pc. I addition the Xbox 360 does not eliminate the need for a home pc. A decent home pc (not a budget one) will cost
$800+ and now add in the cost of buying a console not to mention a special tv on to that. This equals about $1200 once again for just a bit more investment of money you can puchase a nice gaming computer. By the way a nice gaming computer can  be purchased for $1000-$2000 not $2000-$3000. Thank you for considering by point of view.

First of all 720p = 1280 X 720, NOT 1024 X 768. I'm glad we got that straightened out. You really can't compare a PC to a 360.

The PC costs a lot more, especially if you're talking about a high end PC. And you can't tell me that you have to factor in the price of an HDTV because that can be used for a lot of other things beside playing 360. And you also have to spend on a monitor for your computer. If you want a good one it will run you 1,000 or more.

PC's are great because you can use them for a lot of things beside gaming. But if you're only comparing the gaming aspect of them then the 360 wins easily. The 360 will get a lot more games and it is so cheap in comparison. And it has a lot longer life cycle. The next time you'll need to upgrade hardware is in 5 years. On the PC you constantly have to upgrade if you want to run the latest games at the highest settings.

PC's are great because you can do so many things on them but they're not a replacement for consoles.

The truth is it's hard to compare PC and console gaming but it's wrong to say you can buy a high end PC and then you don't have to buy a 360 or that you can buy a 360 to avoid buying a PC. It doesn't work out that way. PC games are different than console games and both have their strong marks.

If you buy a 55" DLP to play your 360 and you have a nice surround sound system then the experience is very different than that which is found on the PC. And then you can watch movies on that same setup and that's awesome.

I think the best thing is to buy a 360 and whatever HDTV you can afford. Then buy a medium end PC. You don't need to buy the highest end. Say a Pentium 830 or X2 3800 with 1GB or RAM, 250 GB HD and a GTO2 or 6800 GS and you'll be set.

[jaskerzada006]

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