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[KAGE360]

QUOTE(deftonesmx17 @ Nov 30 2005, 12:06 PM)

Who is twisting words to suit their needs now? You are right, launch games never impress me because the gameplay is the same as last gen or only slightly better and not worth the money.

Wow, just wow, your whole argument has become nothing more than an attack on me.............

ok fine, since you dont like it any better then i do, i say we be mature people and shy away from the personal attacks then.  

im not twisting any words around, i just remember what poeple say and like, and im trying to understand how you can think some ways that you do.  ok so if a launch games is only slightly better then previous gen's games then how come you can like sequals that are still only slightly better gameplay wise then the launch title to begin with?  i wont continue to debate things you willingly back out from.

[deftonesmx17]

QUOTE(KAGE360 @ Nov 30 2005, 12:21 PM)

ok so if a launch games is only slightly better then previous gen's games then how come you can like sequals that are still only slightly better gameplay wise then the launch title to begin with?

I normally don't play those games, I just argued with wurm about burnout revenge and this point, but I will try to explain it. I don't want to play a game unless the next version presents me a new challenge, not just new modes and/or better graphics. Burnout is the perfect example of this. Sure Burnout revenge had new modes that were not present in takedown, but that didnt help. My whole problem was that revenge was an easier game than takedown, which was already pretty easy to begin with. It did not present me a new challenge.....I blew through the game way quick because I already knew how the game played.


You know how you like to say that in 2 years the new systems will really take advantage of their hardware, at that point the PC will probably have a SM 4.0 which will leave the console behind. Hell, some companies are already starting to make dual GPU GFX cards. If GFX cards are now having 512MB of GDDR3, in two years what do you expect them to have?

[KAGE360]

QUOTE(deftonesmx17 @ Nov 30 2005, 12:06 PM)

You may not understand this, but any and all major advancements in the gaming world are done on the PC. This is a fact.
You know them things called shaders, HDR, AA, AF, and all the other graphical effects you like so much, yup developed for the PC.
I wonder why, maybe because this site is full of xbox lovers and it doesnt matter what a person says. Did you ever think about that one or were you to busy ridiculing me?

how stupid do you think people here are?  of course all graphical advancements are done on the PC first, they are upgraded and evolving constantly.  if we waited for consoles every 5 years to dictate when graphical advancements are made then we would still be just using guraud shading    if consoles were released every 6 months and PCs werent updated for 5 years at a time then the same can be said in an opposite manner, but just because all graphical advancements are done on PC doesnt mean all gameplay advancements are.  also IMO just because they are developed on PC doesnt mean that they are developed with only a PC in mind but for games in general.  even though the power of todays gaming PCs will always be enhanced that doesnt mean that its being used, lowest common specs and the bottleneck of the PC itself will always hold back the true potential that any PC will have.

and i dont get what this forum being ful of xbox lovers has to do with our discussion.  this debate is between you, lowprofile, and I so there isnt any forum of xbox lovers jumping all over no matter what you say, only us not agreeing with your views of how to compare PCs and consoles because you dont do it on a level playing feild.

[deftonesmx17]

QUOTE(KAGE360 @ Nov 30 2005, 12:42 PM)

but just because all graphical advancements are done on PC doesnt mean all gameplay advancements are.

  Please name one gameplay advancement done on the consoles, that wasnt already done with a PC.

[LowProfileWurm]

QUOTE(asnpcwiz @ Nov 30 2005, 01:46 PM)

Wow...totally not the point of this thread.  If you guys want to argue about whether console or PC is better and costs of CRT monitors, you could please do it somewhere else?  I was hoping this thread would be a help for people considering which 360 games to buy.  Please respect this and don't troll here...

  Sorry man, but you kinda started it.  We're not trolling... you just laid fertile ground for debate.  Sorry it's not evolving into the help thread you envisioned, but that's the risk you take on a forum.  

[KAGE360]

QUOTE(asnpcwiz @ Nov 30 2005, 12:46 PM)

Wow...totally not the point of this thread.  If you guys want to argue about whether console or PC is better and costs of CRT monitors, you could please do it somewhere else?  I was hoping this thread would be a help for people considering which 360 games to buy.  Please respect this and don't troll here...

sorry to get off topic and i will end it shortly

QUOTE(deftonesmx17 @ Nov 30 2005, 12:47 PM)

Please name one gameplay advancement done on the consoles, that wasnt already done with a PC.

i know this may only be just one but i havent played, seen, heard of, or read about a good fighting game on a PC so there you go.  regardless of there actually being fighters on PCs it was started in the arcades and home consoles before PC could even keep up to run one.

you make some good points but no matter what advancements are done on a PC they usually arent fully realized or utilized until they are braught to the console, which is built and made for gaming alone.  platformers, racers, adventure games, fighters, and RPGs have all been takin to the next level or fully realized on a console.  you may have SM 4.0 but it wont be fully used like the 3.0+ in the 360 will, and that console will have USA long before PCs so that is one graphical advancement done on a console over a PC for the first time .  PCs will always rule in the online era IMO but i still much rather have the convenience and features of LIVE.

[LowProfileWurm]

QUOTE(deftonesmx17 @ Nov 30 2005, 01:47 PM)

Please name one gameplay advancement done on the consoles, that wasnt already done with a PC.

Dual analog stick control?  That's the only thing that pops into mind at the moment.  I'll think on this though.

[KAGE360]

QUOTE(LowProfileWurm @ Nov 30 2005, 12:55 PM)

Dual analog stick control?  That's the only thing that pops into mind at the moment.  I'll think on this though.

i think he means advancements in the gameplay itself, like MMOs, jumping around in platformers, creeping in the dark on a FPS, they have all been done on a PC first.  however like i said it has been taking a step further on consles, analog triggers for gas and brake for racers, MANY advancements with fighters on consoles, and another thing to further my point is that with more of a common factor of hardware developers are less concerned with graphical and hardware complications and can concentrate more on gameplay and advancements in gaming itself.

[deftonesmx17]

QUOTE(KAGE360 @ Nov 30 2005, 12:54 PM)

i know this may only be just one but i havent played, seen, heard of, or read about a good fighting game on a PC so there you go.

That is not a gameplay advancement, just a game genre.

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you may have SM 4.0 but it wont be fully used like the 3.0+ in the 360 will, and that console will have USA long before PCs so that is one graphical advancement done on a console over a PC for the first time

Except for the fact that there are already computer games that use SM 3.0, making the console second to use it. I really doubt the launch games are really using full SM 3.0 anyways. Remember your own point, the devkits most developers had did not have full 360 hardware but GFX chips that only could do SM 2.0b

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analog triggers for gas and brake for racers

Its called a steering wheel and pedals on my PC (aka analog triggers for gas and brake and analog steering)

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and another thing to further my point is that with more of a common factor of hardware developers are less concerned with graphical and hardware complications and can concentrate more on gameplay and advancements in gaming itself.

That might be the worst point ever. I don't know if you just don't notice this, but how many classics have you played on the xbox. Even if they were classic they never were classic like SNES, Genesis, N64, PSX, NES, Atari, etc games are. Why you may ask? Because the gaming world is full of graphics whores now and most developers spend more time on graphics than anything else and it really shows in the past 3-5 years.

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atleast there isnt a whole genre left out on the console as apposed to the PC

Yeah, there are about as many RTS games on consoles as there is fighting games on PC's

[KAGE360]

QUOTE(deftonesmx17 @ Nov 30 2005, 01:06 PM)

That is not a gameplay advancement, just a game genre.

Except for the fact that there are already computer games that use SM 3.0, making the console second to use it. I really doubt the launch games are really using full SM 3.0 anyways. Remember your own point, the devkits most developers had did not have full 360 hardware but GFX chips that only could do SM 2.0b

there are many gameplay elements in that genre so you knew what i meant, my point still stands that it is not done on PC first.  atleast there isnt a whole genre left out on the console as apposed to the PC

i know PC games use SM 3.0 and i dont disagree with you on that a lot of launch titles wont use SM 3.0 but all this still furthers my point.  a launch title that doesnt even use the hardware or its features still looks as good if not better then any "next gen" PC game and even when games use SM 4.0 they still wont be using the technology to its fullest potential or come close like a console would so still some technology is wasted which is a shame IMO.

[Deftech]

good grief

even if screenshots are doctored, its fair to compare a doctored Splinter Cell 1 pick to a doctored Splinter Cell 3 pick.

If you cannot see the difference in the following, you don't deserve to be here, you don't have the right to type and submit anything concerning graphics. Get off your ass and get your eyes examined. The difference, graphically, from SC 1 to Chaos Theory is night and day. Amazing how someone accuses people of being fanboys but is so fuggin stubborn that they won't admit theres a difference. Its either stubborness, or true eye problems. Theres no other explanation.

Splinter 1 pics...
http://media.xbox.ig...175/imgs_1.html

Splinter 3 pics...
http://media.xbox.ig...200/imgs_1.html

There was noticable difference part 1 and 2 for shits sake, Chaos took it a step further

To say there wasnt much difference graphically from PGR to PGR 2 is just foolish. Quit quoting the sob  

Exiting......

[incognegro]

I was wondering how this topic jump to 6 pages already........lol

I shouldve known deftones was involved. Why ppl argue with this guy, ill never understand.

He always brings up his " Your a fanboy and im not" argument to feed his ego and ppl always take the bait.

Its funny to me....lol......all of you do yourselves a favor, just leave him alone, he wouldnt have anything substantial to talk about if ppl didnt disagree with him

Now, back on topic, I changed my mind and i believe smash tv is the best 360 game!!!

Marketplace is da shit!......lol

[deftonesmx17]

QUOTE(Deftech @ Nov 30 2005, 01:19 PM)

good grief

even if screenshots are doctored, its fair to compare a doctored Splinter Cell 1 pick to a doctored Splinter Cell 3 pick.

If you cannot see the difference in the following, you don't deserve to be here, you don't have the right to type and submit anything concerning graphics. Get off your ass and get your eyes examined. The difference, graphically, from SC 1 to Chaos Theory is night and day. Amazing how someone accuses people of being fanboys but is so fuggin stubborn that they won't admit theres a difference. Its either stubborness, or true eye problems. Theres no other explanation.

Splinter 1 pics...
http://media.xbox.ig...175/imgs_1.html

Splinter 3 pics...
http://media.xbox.ig...200/imgs_1.html

There was noticable difference part 1 and 2 for shits sake, Chaos took it a step further

To say there wasnt much difference graphically from PGR to PGR 2 is just foolish. Quit quoting the sob  

Exiting......

ah yes because i remember SC:CT on xbox being jaggie free like this pic

and if you knew how to read, I didnt say there was no difference, I said there isnt that much of a difference

ah now here is a pic of SC:CT that looks more like what the game really looked like on the xbox

doesnt look so hot without the 6xAA and 16xAF that the "other xbox" pic had

[Deftech]

QUOTE(incognegro @ Nov 30 2005, 01:22 PM)

I was wondering how this topic jump to 6 pages already........lol

I shouldve known deftones was involved. Why ppl argue with this guy, ill never understand.

He always brings up his " Your a fanboy and im not" argument to feed his ego and ppl always take the bait.

Its funny to me....lol......all of you do yourselves a favor, just leave him alone, he wouldnt have anything to talk about if ppl didnt disagree with him

I havent argued with him in months,I want a cookie!! If the 2 bastards(you know who you are) would stop quoting him, I wouldnt have made the last post I did  

I find it hard 2 believe the human eye can't see the visual differences between splinter cells and pgrs. Its the stubborness that steps in, it has 2 be.

QUOTE(asnpcwiz @ Nov 30 2005, 01:27 PM)

Thanks...I knew there were a lot more games than those already mentioned...I haven't seen much talk at all about Ridge Racer 6, Tiger Woods, NHL, 2K6, or GUN...any inputs anyone?!?

RR6, dislike the series.

Tiger woods, same.

NHL, same.

2K6, same.

GUN, will try when the price drops a little. All my friends who *usually* like the same games say its one of the most entertaining games theyve played in a while, even if it doesnt "look" as good as other titles.

[cyberg4]

There are two types of gamers in this world, PC gamers, and console gamers (and a select few who ar both).  I myself am the latter, and for years I have tried to win converts to the cosole side fruitlessly (there was 1 "gamer" who I did convert to the console side but he doesn't count since he owned an old e-mac).  I have brought people from PS2, or Gamecube to the Xbox, but none PC to console.  Everyone has their opinions, no matter how wrong they may be.  and they won't change their mind, so stop argueing because I will never become a PC gamer (unless some stuff changes), and some of you will never become console gamers, so why argue, because we all know which is better .
As for me I will continue enjoying PD0, I Love the multiplayer, It's awesome. (onslaught on tower)