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[deftonesmx17]

QUOTE(cyberg4 @ Nov 30 2005, 01:36 PM)

There are two types of gamers in this world, PC gamers, and console gamers.

Your forgot the third type, they are called gamers. Yup thats me, I play PC games, Gamecube games, PS2 games, XBOX games, but I have a problem with this next-gen that doesnt seem very next-gen. It is nothing more than polished up current-gen IMO.

[cyberg4]

QUOTE(deftonesmx17 @ Nov 30 2005, 11:40 AM)

Your forgot the third type, they are called gamers. Yup thats me, I play PC games, Gamecube games, PS2 games, XBOX games, but I have a problem with this next-gen that doesnt seem very next-gen. It is nothing more than polished up current-gen IMO.

whoops forgot that group, post edited
Edit:  As for the Next gen not being all that "next gen" I was originally in that group, and still am in some ways (even though I have a 360), but the current games are great and it's only going to get better, better physics (Oblivion), amazing graphics (Gears of War), AI, Destructability, etc.

[LowProfileWurm]

I'm tapping out of this PC-Console debate because asnpcwiz asked so nicely. Sorry man.  

I would like to say though:  if you haven't tried Geometry Wars, I suggest you blow the 5 bucks on it.  It's great.

And I'm gonna have to try out Condemned.  You guys are really making it sound awesome!

[KAGE360]

im done debating sorry about getting carried away.

anyway, im up to a part in condemned that made me shut off the console because it looked and moved so real it was eerie.  cant wait to get scared tonight!

[deftonesmx17]

QUOTE(cyberg4 @ Nov 30 2005, 01:42 PM)

whoops forgot that group, post edited
Edit:  As for the Next gen not being all that "next gen" I was originally in that group, and still am in some ways (even though I have a 360), but the current games are great and it's only going to get better, better physics (Oblivion), amazing graphics (Gears of War), AI, Destructability, etc.

I hope we will see that stuff. Yes, Gears of War does look amazing, but these launch games are just hurting my impression on the next-gen. I doubt I will get either a PS3 or an xbox 360. I'm leaning towards the revolution because nintendo knows what matters the most. Games being..............well games. M$ and $ony are just playing a stupid graphics war while nintendo is going to change the way we play games and change is good IMO.

The way I see it, and many other don't, but thats ok, is that if I want great graphics I will play PC games. If I want a game for the enjoyment of it being a game, I will probably buy a Revolution. Honestly, there is a reason why I still play games such as Mario on the NES, SNES, N64, and I can sure as hell tell you it isnt because of how good it looks.

[Deftech]

QUOTE(KAGE360 @ Nov 30 2005, 02:02 PM)

im done debating sorry about getting carried away.

anyway, im up to a part in condemned that made me shut off the console because it looked and moved so real it was eerie.  cant wait to get scared tonight!

Hahaha

I saw you wuss out last week so I can hear your sayiing "Oh Hell No" -hits eject-, Hahahaha. 15 minutes later I shat myself remember? Creepy game indeed!!

[Carlo210]

QUOTE(deftonesmx17 @ Nov 30 2005, 08:02 PM)

Honestly, there is a reason why I still play games such as Mario on the NES, SNES, N64, and I can sure as hell tell you it isnt because of how good it looks.

Then why do you keep referring to games not looking next-gen on the next gen console if what matter most to you is gameplay? Many of the Xbox 360 launch titles play great, and if that's what is important to you, why are you put-down by your opinion of the games looking lackluster in the graphics dept?  
As I hear, Kameo plays great and is reminiscent of the Mario/platformer days with a mix of kickassness, and many other launch games are getting feedback of being just plain fun.

[Deftech]

Carlo comes out of the shadows 2 make a good point, No, a Great point.  

[Xombe]

Thread derail in 5, 4, 3...

[deftonesmx17]

QUOTE(Carlo210 @ Nov 30 2005, 05:46 PM)

Then why do you keep referring to games not looking next-gen on the next gen console if what matter most to you is gameplay?

Because you expect certain things when a new generation is released. If the games have no next-gen gameplay then they better have next-gen graphics and they just don't seem to have either IMO.

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Many of the Xbox 360 launch titles play great, and if that's what is important to you, why are you put-down by your opinion of the games looking lackluster in the graphics dept?  

Many of the launch games play like a computer game, I already have a computer. I also hear that many games don't play very well, like every sports game.

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As I hear, Kameo plays great and is reminiscent of the Mario/platformer days with a mix of kickassness, and many other launch games are getting feedback of being just plain fun.

Well, the ones I have played are not that fun.

Xombe - sorry I wont derail the thread

[Foe-hammer]

Did everyone forget that the 360 works on a pc monitor?

360: $400
PC CRT monitor: $400
Total: $800

PC: $1000 (if you build it yourself with specs to match what the 360 can do), much more if you buy it built; $2000+ range.
PC CRT monitor: $400
Total: $1400 to $2400+

You definently get more gaming bang for your buck with the 360.


I also agree that there was not that much graphical improvement in 1st gen xbox games, compared to even games that are currently coming out.  The reason for this is because the devs were already extremely familiar with how to program for the xbox.  All it was was a console stuffed with off the shelf pc parts.  So, it was pretty much tapped out on day one.

The 360, as stated, is unfamiliar to devs, and will take some time to fully utilize it.  We can expect to see much difference between 1st gen and later gen games on the 360.  It is completely different this time around, and unfair to compare it to the xbox, deftones, in terms of what we can expect to see from 1st gen to 4th gen games.  

[deftonesmx17]

QUOTE(Foe-hammer @ Nov 30 2005, 07:57 PM)

The 360, as stated, is unfamiliar to devs, and will take some time to fully utilize it.  We can expect to see much difference between 1st gen and later gen games on the 360.  It is completely different this time around, and unfair to compare it to the xbox, deftones, in terms of what we can expect to see from 1st gen to 4th gen games.

Ok then. The PS2 and the emotion engine was unfamiliar to devs and a pain in the ass to utilize at all. The first gen games looked like crap and they still do to this day. Look at MGS2 and then MGS3, the graphics are not that much better. I'm not saying there is no difference, but it is not as big as you people make it out to be.

[hugoboss1]

All i know is that once i sit on my lazyboy and with a flick of a controll i turn on the 360 then reach over and turn on my 50 inch hd-tv the surrond 5.1 digital sound sit back and game on. I concider that ....PRICELESS.

yeah the pc this the pc that. Its all about comfort to me...the only complaint I can have about the 360 is that the headset isnt wireless....im not concerned about the games because they arent even scracting the surface yet. With the HD era knocking on the door most people will trade the office for the tv,gaming ,media center expirience. The way the 360 seems to be going we will soon be able to do every thing you can do on a Pc email shooping online using search engines you get the drift....any ways i thought i would throw in my 2 cents or three or four.....blah blah i know.

[Foe-hammer]

QUOTE(deftonesmx17 @ Nov 30 2005, 06:46 PM)

Ok then. The PS2 and the emotion engine was unfamiliar to devs and a pain in the ass to utilize at all. The first gen games looked like crap and they still do to this day. Look at MGS2 and then MGS3, the graphics are not that much better. I'm not saying there is no difference, but it is not as big as you people make it out to be.

The ps2 is a good example, but still not the learning curve the 3-core cpu will be, in terms of utilization.

But, you are comparing later generation games to eachother.  MGS2 was much better, graphically, then any 1st gen ps2 game.  Compared to mgs3, the difference is minimal.

Lets compare 1st gen ps2 games to god of war, shall we.  There is quite a bit of difference, much more then any 1st gen xbox game compared to it's current gen.

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Also does the Premium pack have a PC moniter out? (is it VGA or RGB bleh I always forget which one) If not then you also need to add a few extra bucks into your equation.

You're right,

360: $400
PC CRT monitor: $400
vga cable:$40

Total: $840

Few, glad we fixed that.

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Excluding of course the fact that PC games are easily modded. Which greatly increases your gaming per buck ratio as game mods are FREE!  Hell if it werent for game mods I would have played HL2 a total of 9 hours, but with all the mods it has, from The Hidden, Dystopia, Garrysmod etc I have probably played over 80 hours.

Very true.

But in time, the 360 will be hacked, and you'll be able to mod the 360 games, like i have with games for the xbox.

[deftonesmx17]

QUOTE(Foe-hammer @ Nov 30 2005, 10:22 PM)

But, you are comparing later generation games to eachother.  MGS2 was much better, graphically, then any 1st gen ps2 game.  Compared to mgs3, the difference is minimal.

Lets compare 1st gen ps2 games to god of war, shall we.  There is quite a bit of difference, much more then any 1st gen xbox game compared to it's current gen.

I used MGS as an example based on a time frame. The xbox also only had a what, a 3.5-4 year shelf life before its next system. So if, like you said All it was was a console stuffed with off the shelf pc parts. So, it was pretty much tapped out on day one. Shouldnt the PS2, being the pain that it was, have some leeway?
Halo
Release Date: Nov 14, 2001
Halo 2
Release Date: Nov 9, 2004
MGS 2
Release Date: Nov 12, 2001
MGS 3
Release Date: Nov 17, 2004

Now do you see why I used the MGS's as an example for the PS2?

If that is not good enough try this one.
SSX Release Date: Oct 30, 2000

SSX On Tour Release Date: Oct 11, 2005

Like I have said, there is a difference, but it is not that big.

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The ps2 is a good example, but still not the learning curve the 3-core cpu will be, in terms of utilization.

Now hold on, the PS2 has been around for 5 to almost 6 years and it is still not utilized very well. I think the PS2 was the best example. If M$ is only going to have a 4-5 year lifespan and somehow the utilization of the CPU will be harder than it was for PS2, will we even see it before their next system?