QUOTE(m_hael @ Nov 16 2005, 03:05 AM)
sports games for the most part provide a weak and diluted version of the original sport with almost none of the exacting nature of most sports
Try playing a soccer sports game, I don't feel PES is a weak diluted version of the original sport. It also requires great care, effort, and attention. Thats why most people bitch about PES5, it became hard and challenging and forces you to play smart.