Print

[korn00]

Nope - No bashing here.  Excellent review on your point of view.  To be honest - this is what I expected to read.  I love my xbox but I have never been blown away with anything that I have watched so far for the 360.  I do think it will take many months until we see the "killer" graphics and games that we are all hoping for.  Most of these games will be rushed out just so there is a launch list of games when the system goes on sale in a month.
Yes - M$ will beat Sony out the door for a system release but overall the quality of games and where they should be in this next gen phase won't be there...that is disappointing.
I, myself,  will be trying out the demo unit at my local Wal-Mart tomorrow and make my own decision....but thanks for the review and your thoughts...

[kendrid]

Thanks for the detailed write-up.  You are not the only person that has comment on the lack of AA.  I sincerely hope it is because of a misconfiguration or 'beta builds' (which should not be the case this late in the game).  

I do find it a bit odd that posts last week regarding the invite-only 360 demos never mentioned the lack of AA in COD2 and Kameo.  In fact I think people commented that they looked great.  Something odd is going on...

[Deftech]

yeah some friends who attended the media events last week said there were no jaggies to be seen in any of the games they played.

I have 2 gigs of kameo footage on my hdd and the first thing you notice is the lack of jaggies. If they were there, we'd be able to see them I think.

something is definitely going on.

If MS sent out demos that dont use AA, that could turn away some people. Not many care about jaggies, but losing a few customers, and even more so by word of mouth, is never a good thing.

[Juancster]

I just hope this isnt how the final product turns out to be. I still have high hopes =) Im hoping my local Walmart gets one so I can give it a test run.  

[John566]

My biggest hope for this generation was that aliasing would be a thing of the past. I'd rather have lower polly models with lower resolutions and great AA then everything turned way up with aliasing all over the place. To me aliasing is very distracting. I remember when I first put Halo in my brand new XBOX, I was so disappointed because I had heard that it was supposed to have AA. From what I’m hearing and the screen shots/videos I’ve been seeing I’m starting to become pessimistic about AA in this generation as well. Maybe it doesn’t bother most people but it irks the $!*% out of me.  

My local GameStop has a video demo of Oblivion running and it looks fantastic except for the aliasing. You don’t see too much stair stepping but you can see quite a bit of “shimmer” between objects.

I was very excited, now I'm sad.  The Wal-Marts where I live haven’t set up the demos yet but if others are seeing AA problems I guarantee I'll hate it.

I have purchased every system the night it was released back to the PS1 and I love my XBOX, but now I'm thinking of getting a refund on the XBOX360 that I have already paid in full.  Bad move MS.  I also remember the free AA claims and I could have sworn that it was a requirement on all games.

Here's to hoping these are early builds and that MS is just unbelievably stupid to ship kiosks with these demos.

[Deftech]

just wait until you get it in your house. its way too early to go cancelling a predorder.

I too will jump ship if the majority of games arent using AA, but I'll give it a year or so for devs to come to terms with the hardware.

[Heet]

Wow glad I didnt preorder.  I almost did when I saw the PGR3 vid that blew us all away.  I cant believe it that bad.  I got to go see for myself.  Im gonna go checkout our walmart and see for myself.  

Nope none of ours have it  

[Deftech]

jaggies on the demo games dont exist if properly set up. its been confirmed that some werent set to 720p, now everyone calm the fug down.

its future titles that worry me.

[geo22]

Man, I just feel really let down, I guess I expected too much for the system, and after playing with it for the first time, I get hit with reality. Well, for me, its pretty obvious that Bach or Allard(?), lied about AA being free, or not a hassle, or a requirement for all games...heck I forgot the exact statement, but I'm pretty sure somebody said it. Because if this was true, why is it as if most games dont seem to have it? If it was such a highly touted feature that was effortless to implement thanks to the design of the GPU, why aren't developers utilizing it? Especially on these here demos that everyone will be trying out in the coming days! There is just no excuse not to have it on. Don't tell me that these games are still not complete, heck, Kameo is supposed to be a launch title, and this demo doesnt have it! Its like trying to sell a brand new car that hasnt been washed or waxed! Hope you get my point. Maybe using AA would really take a huge hit performance wise? A bottleneck that developers on the 360 dont wanna talk about? I dunno...M$ should have never made such a claim, and brag about it without the evidence to prove it.
  I'm not being a hater, I'm still getting a 360, with the hope that developers get a hang of the hardware just like what happened with the ps2. But how long will that take? And if AA was sacrificed already on these launch titles jus to get them running decently,,it worries me what other sacrifices will be made jus to get those future games run well too.
 Oh well enough of all this doom and gloom, heres hoping to better days for the 360, and I'll have some  

[Deftech]

have you read a single thing anyone has typed in this and other threads?!

the kiosk you played on was not set up correctly. Some saw and played them in 480i, while others in 720.

Please read other threads.

[luther349]

i think xbox 1.5 pretty mutch sumes it up. relly thers knothing new gen abought it. its just a xbox with a bigger prosser more ram etc. the games whont be any diffrent untill the tech used to make them is upgraded. a 600$ pc probly has just as mutch power as a 360. shure its triple core but it doesent have the memery to relly take advantge of it i rember devs posting abought that. you have 3 prossers working in 1 memery core when it should be 3 prossers running totaly indempden t on eatch other aka 3 memery cores. granted im not hating on the 360 ill probly wind up getting one later on after the inatal launch garbage is replaced by the good games but i whont be expecting anything amasing out of it just a better xbox thats probly a bit faster and looks slightly better.

to sum it up last gen xbox games will probly looks close to the same as first gen 360 games its not the systems falt its just the limits of current dev tools look at splinter cell 3 it looks like a 360 game i have seen videos lol.

[geo22]

. the x360 has a hard time using AA w/o any severe performance issues w/c developers havent publicly said yet, contrary to M$ claims of "free AA".

[John566]

geo22 is correct.

[Sir_Vival]

QUOTE(luther349 @ Oct 21 2005, 06:17 AM)

i think xbox 1.5 pretty mutch sumes it up. relly thers knothing new gen abought it. its just a xbox with a bigger prosser more ram etc. the games whont be any diffrent untill the tech used to make them is upgraded. a 600$ pc probly has just as mutch power as a 360. shure its triple core but it doesent have the memery to relly take advantge of it i rember devs posting abought that. you have 3 prossers working in 1 memery core when it should be 3 prossers running totaly indempden t on eatch other aka 3 memery cores.

[brooksie48]

watch gameplay vids


what they show is what you get:

Kameo-exactly the same as the vids except sweeter in person

Call of Duty 2- Even better than the gameplay vids in person