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Carlo210

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« Reply #30 on: October 15, 2005, 05:02:00 PM »

QUOTE(KAGE360 @ Oct 16 2005, 01:09 AM)
ozy your gettin annoying.  that is not meant to insult but only the truth.  how is PGR3 that consists of over 8 times the polygon count on the cars alone not next gen with over 300k spectators watching you over LIVE?  how much more can you do with a racing game??  the majority of the sport games look great (all except madden and tiger woods IMO) but again what more can you do with a sports game?  oblivion you know enough about and yet still doubt it so i wont go there.  PDZ is one of the most impressive launch games IMO and yet you seem to not realize what is happening on the screen when you watch those vids.  everyone has a different idea to what next gen is and even fewer people actually realize what is taking place on the screen when they see these launch titles (you being one of them) and yet they still feel the need to say their dissapointment when they dont even understand the whole picture.  thats where half of the people in here come in and paint that picture for people like you and yet you ignore or forget about it all on a day by day basis. 
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lex luther

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« Reply #31 on: October 15, 2005, 05:06:00 PM »

QUOTE(Ozy @ Oct 15 2005, 06:36 PM)
I'm not going to reply to that because I don't want to get banned. I can't be bothered with you fan boys, I'm going to my local.
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KAGE360

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« Reply #32 on: October 15, 2005, 09:05:00 PM »

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Coming into the home stretch, MS is pushing the envelope hard on this launch. They're cutting things close. It's October and we've finally seen near-final builds. But developers got their final dev kits in August, and less than two months is hardly enough to learn a new system, finish a game, and deliver it to the high expectations we have. Part of our expectations have to do with MS's lofty goals, and its insistence that everything will look amazing in HD, and part of it has to with Sony's CG E3 videos, which were sneaky and cynical, but represented a deft strategic move. Will any of the 360 games look like Sony's CG stuff? No. Will they look better than the quality of games MS and partners showed at E3? Oh hell yes. So now that you've seen the games in motion, what's your perception?

While MS's X05 event demonstrated it's ready to launch in November, not everything is in order. THQ's The Outfit and Saint's Row look shaky at best, EA's games aren't fully realized, and several titles look just like high-res versions of their current generation partners (Tony Hawk's American Wasteland, GUN, King Kong, Need for Speed Most Wanted, to name a few). But when you take a step back, compared to other launches, the overall quality of the lineup -- not necessarily the individual titles on their own -- but the overall quality of the games is high. Even if every one of these games is rated in the mid to high 8s, for a launch -- that's an achievement.

Looking back on Nintendo's Luigi's Mansion, Pikmin, and WaveRace Blue at launch, and Sony's two standouts from 29 games (SSX and Madden), this set of 26 or so games looks very good. Project Gotham Racing 3, Kameo, Perfect Dark Zero, Call of Duty 2, Dead Or Alive 4, Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion, NBA 2K6, Condemned, King Kong -- all of these can more easily contend with those others in their day.

The weakest aspect of this launch from a cynic's point of view is that there aren't any knock-out, drag-down kill apps. You could call Perfect Dark Zero that if you'd like, but I'd say that's erroneous. It's good, but it's no Halo. You can point out Project Gotham Racing 3, which is beautiful, fast, and fun, but it doesn't push the envelope too far. You can focus in on Call of Duty 2, but that's on the PC, and it's not a giant step over its predecessor. It's a good, solid, refinement and improvement. The fact is, none of the Xbox 360 games really blast out of the door with 100% knock-you off your feet next-generation games. They're all just good. Some are even very good.

Put things in perspective: Launches aren't traditionally the place where publishers or developers are able to knock you out in the first round. If that were the case, a lot of consoles -- the PS2, GameCube, perhaps even the Xbox -- wouldn't exist today. The fact is, there are several rounds to win -- and if these consoles last five years, that's at least five rounds -- this is just round one. Come next fall? Round 2 is where developers will really have had time to learn, understand, and exploit the complex architecture of the Xbox and make it work to do things you've never seen before.


http://xbox360.ign.c...8/658313p1.html

i think that all puts the 360's launch line up in a good perspective to past system launches.  and i agree with the bit shots at MS, other then the DC and xbox launch i havent been this excited for a system's launch games for any other system.
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lex luther

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« Reply #33 on: October 15, 2005, 09:22:00 PM »

QUOTE(KAGE360 @ Oct 15 2005, 11:16 PM)
since all this comparing to past system launches and talking about the launch games in general i figured i would quote this article, its been up for a couple of days, that i just got around to finally reading.....
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« Reply #34 on: October 15, 2005, 10:50:00 PM »

QUOTE(lex luther @ Oct 15 2005, 05:46 PM)
Ozy every other day you need constant reassurance that 360 is a great console and people are getting very anoyed with it and having to explain to you over and over again how things work. Use google or search in scene forums its getting old and members are getting agervated with you and having to tell you every time you come up with this shit you come up with. If your unsure about buying a 360 then don't buy one or read up on it to see how good of hardware it has. That info is all over the net it's not hard to find. If i was going to spend $400 on something i would know what i'm buying before i bought it. Read up on it if you don't like it don't fucking buy it. Don't make a thread every time you want some one to give you reassurance!! dry.gif
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« Reply #35 on: October 15, 2005, 11:41:00 PM »

Part of the problem here is that conventional methods of showcasing the games are simply unable to contend with the quality of video the next-gen consoles produce.

The 360's native output is 720p, which is higher than even DVD video. So a 20-minute demo video of PD0 or PGR, say, could easily be 750MB even after the drop in quality to DVD standards. Most people don't want to download 750MB worth of videos, and most server hosts don't want to mess with it. The only people interested in d/ling a video that size are the diehard fans that are already going to buy the console anyway; what's the point of making the sales pitch to the people already sold on it?

I think that once you see what the 360 can do in person, you'll be convinced that your purchase was the right decision.

Finally, the other posters here have a point. MS is not in the business of innovation; you'll have to look toward Nintendo for that. It's simply getting harder to make such drastic changes, for the reason I posted the first time I responded to this thread.

One more thing: I seem to recall the Nintendo 64 launch having a grand total of 3 (?) titles. We're positively spoiled now, with anywhere between 10-30 launch titles for the 360.
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« Reply #36 on: October 16, 2005, 12:29:00 AM »

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As for when we'll see next gen titles, you should know the answer to that question by now.  We all have discussed this issue at length.  You frequent this forum as much or more as I do and the answer is plain to me.  

It will take some time for developers to utilize the 360's true power.  They are only scratching the surface now.  

Yes, some of the launch titles were originally slated for release on the XBox, but that is the main reason why these titles aren't next gen "enough."  These titles, will never truly be next gen because of their Xbox roots.  Only games that are specifically designed for the 360 will take full advantage of its assets.

Just be patient, we won't see true next gen games until developers learn the ins and outs of the new console.

By the time you finish Oblivion, all 200 hours of it, there will probably be enough titles out there for you to see a true next generation game.
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lex luther

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« Reply #37 on: October 16, 2005, 01:10:00 AM »

QUOTE(bluvasa @ Oct 16 2005, 02:40 AM)
You guys need to lay off Ozy for a change.  Personal attacks are getting a little old around here lately.  If you don't want to listen to him, use the ignore option.  Don't tell him to stop posting on this forum, he can do what ever he wants.  Leave the banning to the mods dry.gif
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« Reply #38 on: October 16, 2005, 06:53:00 AM »

QUOTE(Lutz01 @ Oct 16 2005, 10:01 PM)
they never check this sight anyways.
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« Reply #39 on: October 16, 2005, 07:19:00 AM »

QUOTE(Lutz01 @ Oct 16 2005, 07:01 AM)
I'm not supposed to post anything other than what I'm told so shhhhhhhhh... they never check this sight anyways.
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« Reply #40 on: October 16, 2005, 08:00:00 AM »

QUOTE(miggidy @ Oct 16 2005, 08:44 AM)
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Carlo210

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« Reply #41 on: October 16, 2005, 08:30:00 AM »

QUOTE(Lutz01 @ Oct 16 2005, 03:01 PM)
I'm not supposed to post anything other than what I'm told so shhhhhhhhh... they never check this sight anyways.
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« Reply #42 on: October 16, 2005, 09:14:00 AM »

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« Reply #43 on: October 18, 2005, 09:20:00 PM »

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« Reply #44 on: October 19, 2005, 03:13:00 AM »

I can live with pretty much all the comments besides the personal flames. However,I  can understand the way Ozy feels. I also have had this wandering in my mind. My guess is that besides the leap in gfx, and the leap in physics there just isnt much change form the other older consoles. My personal fear is  that there is a lack of NEW things.

Look at hl2, the way physics for the 1st time was worked out in an incredible way. Or the splinter cell franchise (which is in my opinion great becuase every next chapter exceeds its (predeccessor?) which added "real" stealth in games (not unlike that other game..). Its the same with halo1, like ozy describes, warthog jumps, playing around with grenades, flying and vehicles. I remember the time halo1 was presented. I watched in awe when the guy from bungie played a little part of the game. When i saw that i thought OMG that is awesome. Then came halo2. In all parts (except story maybe) far superior to the original, however the people thought: ah well it looks good plays good but thats it (not talking about mp). But why werent they so flabbergasted about halo2? The expected leap just was not there. When i look at these "new" games, my mind starts thinking.. Been there, done that. My last finished! game experience was fahrenheit on xbox which was "new" in its kind and i played it with much delight

However i think that this is particularly about some of the most hyped games. pg3/kameo/pd0. I just expected something more, something new! The least i was worried about was that the gfx wouldnt look as good as they do now. i look at pg3 i think whoah that looks fantastic. But whats new? spectators? Live mode? pd0: coop from two level? Halo 1 and 2 delivered that already. A good story would make this game great though. But thats not something i can see from some vids. Kameo? a game that went over 3 to 4 consoles? I just expected something newer or more than upgraded gfx and more enemies... But with pretty much the same gameplay type weve all seen before.

My anticipation on only recently at x05 announced games is very much higher tnan the ones currently displayed as must haves.

All this said, i still cant wait to get my hands on one of these babies.. It looks awesome, it's power is awesome. Now i need some awesome games :-)

Thanks for reading.

(edited for some spelling and otherwise some misreading)
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