Topic: MSs Marketing Team Needs To Be Fired. (Read 213 times)

Carlo210 · « **Reply #30 on:** October 07, 2005, 01:35:00 PM »

QUOTE(twistedsymphony @ Oct 7 2005, 09:39 PM)

I've never thought that it makes that much of a difference, They don't separate people who play Forza with Wheels vs people with gamepads do they?

twistedsymphony · « **Reply #31 on:** October 07, 2005, 02:01:00 PM »

QUOTE(Carlo210 @ Oct 7 2005, 03:46 PM)

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Carlo210 · « **Reply #32 on:** October 07, 2005, 02:21:00 PM »

QUOTE(twistedsymphony @ Oct 7 2005, 10:12 PM)

Those are all things the game developers would have to deal with IFF they chose to include mouse support.

ZildjianKX · « **Reply #33 on:** October 08, 2005, 01:44:00 AM »

You really can't judge how good a game looks from them, you need a true source capture.

Carlo210 · « **Reply #34 on:** October 08, 2005, 06:53:00 AM »

It comes out in a month and a half, you think they won't release final trailers and GAMESPOT Preview Videos? (goddamnit I love those things)

Carlo210 · « **Reply #35 on:** October 08, 2005, 12:17:00 PM »

Who said we don't own a kbd/mouse? Don't we all?
Kbd/mouse users don't belong in a console environment when online because of what we have been speaking of for quite a while now. The console market consists of people who play mostly on their couches, so that is one small reason why mouses/kbs combos dont fit in.

And fuck off, seriously, about FPSs not being made for controllers. YES THEY ARE. They are just as much as mice are. Do you control a gun like you use a joystick? Well, no, but using a mouse is jsut as far away from being realistic as well. Obviously you get more precision with mice, which is exactly why they haven't been included on the consoles. If fps are uncontrollable with controllers, then they wouldnt be made for consoles, yet look at how many we get. Controllers are disadvantageous compared to mice/kbsd setupis, duh. I just can't believe that you don't realize any of the logical resonings behind not letting mouse/kbd players use their equipment with native control setups in a controller-using community.
Would you like it if people with ir-guns came into your Half Life 2 matches and had native ir-gun control support in the deathmatch while you were stuck using a mice and keyboard?

Carlo210 · « **Reply #36 on:** October 08, 2005, 02:59:00 PM »

QUOTE(Carlo210)

Obviously you get more precision with mice

QUOTE(Carlo210)

Controllers are disadvantageous compared to mice

I find it amusing that you don't understand the problem. In an online community such as Xbox Live, doing things like, for example, performing glitches and cheats make the game not fun for the rest of the players because you get an advantage. Being able to snipe people without scoping in, have instant control over your crosshair, never lose target aim when moving, and turn around/shift targets quicker than the heavy majority of users on Xbox Live is no exception. What gives you these advantages? A mouse. If you agree, then we are on the same page.
You might say 'everyone is allowed to play with a mouse and keyboard, therefore nobody should complain if they are playing with a controller'. Well, that is like saying drag-motorcycles are now allowed in traditional drag-car races. Is it fair for the ones who are using their drag-cars? No, but should they complain because they could equally just use a motorcycle? Well, the world of drag-car racing has turned into drag-car and drag-motorcycle racing. Just because a drag-motorcycle is faster and better at drag-racing than a car doesn't mean everyone should accept them into the world of drag-car racing. Why can't they just stay in the world of drag-motorcycle racing? Well, the costs for being in a drag-motorcycle tournament is very costly and modifications to the motorcycles engine has to be done every few months, which is why the motorcycle racers want to be included in the affordable drag-car racing seasons. The drag-car racers don't want to change their car-driving ways because they have health problems which prevent them from driving a motorcycle. They also need to sit in their cars cabin because the necessary things are there, such as a back-supportive driving seats and a steering wheel which is easier on their arms than motorcycle handles. Also, why should they be the ones to change? Why can't the motorcycle drivers just start to use a drag-car in the drag-car world instead of forcing a problem on the car drivers?

Etc. I think you guys can make up the rest.

Carlo210 · « **Reply #37 on:** October 09, 2005, 03:28:00 PM »

/rant

Heet · « **Reply #38 on:** October 10, 2005, 12:38:00 AM »

Cmon, their marketing is great! Remember the Killers and MTV? I started to lose faith in MS and they totally redeemed themselves.

deftonesmx17 · « **Reply #39 on:** October 10, 2005, 08:06:00 AM »

I also play PES/WE on my computer and online. I use a gamepad and sometimes the people I play against are using the keyboard. Yes the keyboard for a football (soccer) game. Guess what, I have lost to players using the keyboard, but shouldnt I of had the advantage of 360 degree movement with the joystick on my gamepad? Not really, they were just a more skilled player than me and have no trouble playing with their keyboard. I don't hear any of them whine that gamepad players are playing with them.

Here is the real difference between KB/M and a gamepad, that console only people can't grasp. Gamepad FPS have Aim-assist, KB/M FPS do not. So their is a clear advantage for the gamepad users. I have Far Cry instincts and I feel that its easier to kill people in it than the version on the computer because on the xbox I dont have to aim clearly at them or their head.

KAGE360 · « **Reply #40 on:** October 10, 2005, 09:50:00 AM »

QUOTE(deftonesmx17 @ Oct 10 2005, 10:17 AM)

I'm going to chime in on controls and its somewhat like what Twisted said about Forza and wheels.

Carlo210 · « **Reply #41 on:** October 10, 2005, 09:59:00 AM »

As I said, /rant for me.

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