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[KAGE360]

have only read the article not the full interview.  loved doom 3 just think the engine is a little underperforming for next gen standards.  either way developer praise to the 360 is great praise indeed.

http://www.onthexbox...69eed8a7445a551

[lex luther]

QUOTE(KAGE360 @ Aug 14 2005, 01:44 AM)

have only read the article not the full interview.  loved doom 3 just think the engine is a little underperforming for next gen standards.  either way developer praise to the 360 is great praise indeed.

[incognegro]

good read

[incognegro]

But it seems to me that he thinks the HD standard that MS is forcing developers to adopt as a disadvantage. Which I almost agree with. Yes HD is great but what about those that wont benefit from it, wouldnt that limit their experience? Its been said that 720p limits the performance of the system by almost half. Even though thats still makes the 360 perform alot better than expected, the average joe is not gonna care much. Yes its gonna be a bigger deal in the future when HDTV gets really popular but this the most crucial time for the 360. When it has barely any competition in its market. ppl arent gonna be blown away until HDTv takes off and by then the 360 would be knee deep in competition and nobody isnt gonna notice much cause first impressions last.

[KAGE360]

think about it this way.  when MS announced that they are going broadband only with their live set up everyone was saying that it isnt in enough homes and similar stuff.  they are making the 360 with a 5 year life in mind.  i wouldnt be surprised is the number of HDTVs in the homes jumped in the coming years as broadband did.  besides im sure the performance hit isnt nearly as big on the 360 as it is on the ps3 because of the 10MB of embedded ram.  and it has been said by a couple of developers that the games will look great on a regular television but to achieve that scene of photorealism you need to be seeing the game in high res.  whats the point in putting so much more power into the system and adding all this detail and such if the tvs were watching it on doesnt allow us to see it?

[incognegro]

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think about it this way. when MS announced that they are going broadband only with their live set up everyone was saying that it isnt in enough homes and similar stuff. they are making the 360 with a 5 year life in mind. i wouldnt be surprised is the number of HDTVs in the homes jumped in the coming years as broadband did. besides im sure the performance hit isnt nearly as big on the 360 as it is on the ps3 because of the 10MB of embedded ram. and it has been said by a couple of developers that the games will look great on a regular television but to achieve that scene of photorealism you need to be seeing the game in high res. whats the point in putting so much more power into the system and adding all this detail and such if the tvs were watching it on doesnt allow us to see it?

Look at it this way, where im from im one of the first people to get broadband and i got it 2 WEEKS AGO!!! Plus its still too slow to do any serious gaming (128 down 64 up). By the time we get HDTVs its time for frigging xbox 1440!!! Anyways i get what your talking about in terms of the performance hit on the ps3 but atleast on the ps3 the devs have a choice. In the same interview John Carmack mentioned that 'it must've been marketing that came up with that idea' giving the perception that its not much of an advantage and isnt worth it from a devs point of view.

[Deftech]

QUOTE(incognegro @ Aug 14 2005, 06:14 PM)

Look at it this way, where im from im one of the first people to get broadband and i got it 2 WEEKS AGO!!! Plus its still too slow to do any serious gaming (128 down 64 up). By the time we get HDTVs its time for frigging xbox 1440!!! Anyways i get what your talking about in terms of the performance hit on the ps3 but atleast on the ps3 the devs have a choice. In the same interview John Carmack mentioned that 'it must've been marketing that came up with that idea' giving the perception that its not much of an advantage and isnt worth it from a devs point of view.

[Deftech]

strange how the popularity of one technology or piece of electronics isnt popular in one area, and further along, those same things have been around and popular for years.

I dont know a single friend or relative that doesnt have cox cable or sbc dsl, and havent had dial up since '99 or 2000. Just using that for reference, dont get all pissy  

same goes for HDTV's.

Of the 6 people close by, be it friends or relatives, 2 do Not have a HD TV or projector, the rest do. And most of us got them so we could see xbox games in simple, ugly, 480p.

HDTV's have been huge around here for years, I got my first 4.5 years ago, and people around me were also getting them.

make that 7 people, forgot about my cousin, hes got a Pioneer set and a Infocus projector.

obviously this is not common, but from where I sit, being around 480p for years and wanting more and seeing it finally meterialize, is a dream come true. Thats why I explained all of this, so you could see where some of us are coming from.

I cant worry about what others think of MS and their tactics, I worry about what my eyes will see on the massive screen, and my eyes will forever thank MS and people like Cliffy B who are about to give me games that are sex for the eyes  

oh and repeating myself...IF at some point between now and launch, MS says 720p wont be supported by all games, and we as consumers wouldnt be able to "turn it on" at our leisure, my checking account will not be losing any $$ come November, atleast  not on consoles. I'll spend a lot of $$ and get back into pc gaming where I can get high res gaming.

[Beelzabub]

QUOTE(Jason9875 @ Aug 15 2005, 12:57 AM)

I don't have high speed internet available where I live (thats latency is less then 1800ms)

[Foe-hammer]

QUOTE(incognegro @ Aug 14 2005, 03:15 PM)

Its been said that 720p limits the performance of the system by almost half.

[Shinamano]

Just to interject...Saying that 720p will not 'blow people away' is dead wrong. MS will have 360's on display hooked up to nice Samsung HDTVs that will show the true glory of the High Def graphics in kiosks around the world (country at least) and people will be in awe. Those people who have HDTVs will want to get home faster to see it on theirs...people without will want a 360 and a new HDTV to go with it.

[incognegro]

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Please tell me youre kidding...about your speeds that is.

friggin ISDN is atleast 128/128 I thought, and thats pathetic.

128 DL? is that the advertised speed of your line? and 64 up?! or is this after running tests and your looking at your transfer rates? 64 upload? If youre talking about actually sending someone a file and you send at 64, then youre advertised upload is around 500. lets not get advertised and real confused.

lol.........thats the advertised speed, i dunno what my REAL speed is.....lol.......i havent tested anything( I dont wanna know... ). Its ridiculously slow. Alot of ppl in my country (jamaica) still dont know how to use the internet, much less know what broadband is. The highest speed they offer is 3m and i think thats the business offer, you have to run a registered business to qualify for that. The highest for residential is 1m. Hopefully i can afford to upgrade to 512/128 next month

I practically burst into tears the other day when i heard a guy on this forum say he had 16m.....

The worst is when i use p2p clients and they ask what my speed is and i chose dsl, then it asks what my up and down is. I have to just skip that option cause there is NO option for 128/64 only higher.

You all have it so easy.

[twistedsymphony]

yeah HDTVs are taking off...

The office I work in is mostly old hick engineers. They spend more time driving pickups and talking about their tracker than anything else. Most don't have cell-phones and even fewer have cable internet... the interesting thing though... almost all of them have HDTVs  

I think the 360 will do well for the HDTV fantatics... I don't have HD cable for the simple fact that it's a freaking $100/month option+equipment in my area... the only HD content I have for my Theater is my Xbox. ANY gamer with an HDTV will buy a 360 for the guaranteed 720p. Plain and simple.

Imagine you owned a Ferrari and it was locked in a garage. You could start it up and listen to it... sit in it, walk around it and admire it but you couldn't drive it because it was locked in a garage... Now imagine a locksmith is opening shop in a few months.... Wouldn't you call that fugger the first day possible to finally unlock your garage and see what it was capable of?

People are dying for HD content and the 360 will be the most reliable source for HD content when it comes out.

As for 720p hindering it's performance... yes and no...
One of the Japanese developers (I forget who) said that the 360 was over 10 times more powerful than the Xbox. He then went on to say that it would be over 20 times more powerful if they could make games in 480i/p. So when most developers are talking about the power increase... it's taking into full account the use of 720p.

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[m_hael]

QUOTE(Foe-hammer @ Aug 15 2005, 01:12 AM)