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[Deftech]

[incognegro]

ok fine.........MS is bad, sony is good

can you the shut the fuck up now!?

do the whole world a favor

[deftonesmx17]

I would say M$ missed their target also.

The irony here is that xbox 360 comes closer to these xbox tech demos than the xbox ever did.

[Deftech]

theres no way in hell one of them said "every single xbox game will feature anti aliasing"

maybe they said "the xbox is capable of anti aliasing every game" ??

thats not a lie, and leaving it up to developers will always yield different results. I pray we are past those days.

Im sorry but Chaos Theory looks better than any tech demo that was shown for the xbox. So does Doom III on a whole.

Chaos Theory just oozed next gen, and there it was, looking and running better than any previous SC b4 it.

[deftonesmx17]

QUOTE(Deftech @ Jul 28 2005, 04:19 PM)

did someone from MS, robbie, J or Peter, ever say that the xbox games would have no jaggies? and this generation would be the one to eliminate that problem? if so, Please post. I dont recall anyone saying such a thing, but that was a while ago and lord knows me memory isnt what it used to be. Its filled with sony hating thoughts which cloud my mind 

theres no way in hell one of them said "every single xbox game will feature anti aliasing"

maybe they said "the xbox is capable of anti aliasing every game" ??

thats not a lie, and leaving it up to developers will always yield different results. I pray we are past those days.

Bro, why did you respond as if I said M$ told us no jaggies on the xbox? All I did was watch the tech demos and think to myself, "I see no jaggies but have yet to see an xbox game like that." That would be why I made my comment on jaggies.

My whole post was to stop the childish fanboy crap. Both companies exaggerated. M$ is not innocent like some think. I want to make that very apparent. There is also two sides to every story. M$ fanboys do nothing but talk and post pics of the $ony tech demos and call $ony liars. Yet, they never seem to post xbox tech demo pics. You guys know, the ones that make M$ liars also. Strange isnt it?

QUOTE(Deftech)

I think xbox could do the raven demo(if thats all that was on screen), just with a gazillion jaggies is all.

Very true, MechAssualt 2 proved just that. It looked every bit as good during the cutscenes, with as you put it, "a gazillion jaggies".  

On a side note: God of War is one of the best looking games I have ever seen on my HDTV, and it only ran in 480p. The only thing that comes close IMO is Splinter Cell Chaos Theory on xbox, it was about equal.

[Deftech]

Peter Moore said it this year for 360, so I wondered if maybe it was said back then too.

and why is this thread talking about tech demos that were shown 5 to 7 years ago( a year b4 each system launched).

has MS shown anything that was fake at this past E3 and said "this is real time" like sony did?

another serious question..did they? no sarcasm intended

they had games running on the floor, people complained that most looked poopy while very few looked stellar(ofcourse comparing it to the prerendered masterpiece known as shitsone 2) thats about all I remember from that.

I guess Im asking if MS did anything this past e3 as blatant as Sony did. That whole week is a blur in my mind  

ahh, the joys of emotions and synthesizers and cells  

[Andy51]

[Deftech]

QUOTE(Andy51 @ Jul 28 2005, 08:33 PM)

FUCK IT PEOPLE! LETS ALL SAY THAT NOT ONE SINGLE CONSOLE HAS GRAPHICS LIKE THE TECH DEMOS BEFORE THE RELEASE THE THE CONSOLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[deftonesmx17]

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please refresh my memory. I had to wipe my harddrive a few weeks back and lost 5 gigs of E3 shit I had saved

Thats why you always should have more than one HDD.

[Deftech]

QUOTE(deftonesmx17 @ Jul 28 2005, 08:57 PM)

I believe the ATI/Ruby demo was their only tech demo for the 360.

[miggidy]

QUOTE(MightyZim @ Jul 28 2005, 10:46 PM)

I don't remember either Sony or MS 'promising' anything with their tech demos (and if they did, it still doesn't matter). A tech demo is just that --- a tech demo. In the case of the ballroom scene tech demo, FFX was able to achieve a similar result. If you want to be picky, then I'll say that other games like God of War have certainly surpassed it.

[Andy51]

QUOTE(Deftech @ Jul 29 2005, 12:55 AM)

step away kids, hes losing it!

[MightyZim]

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I have the video clip sitting on my pc.
Do a quick search on Sharebear and you will find it.
FFX didn't even come close, the facial expressions are about the only thing that came close. Although the video clip graphics lack detailed textures, it's pretty obvious that it wasn't running on real time PS2 hardware, let alone specs.
As for God of war surpassing the tech demo?
No, I'll admit that the game has great graphics (one of this year's favorite games for me) but it still doesn't come off as good as the ballroom scene.
Again, you need to download a clean clip to see it for yourself, I've yet to see anything on the Xbox even achieve it's level. Not even Team Ninja's games.

I'm happy for you that you seem to have some sort of incredible video that the rest of the world does not know about. I have already posted screenshots as well as a link to the actual ballroom demo which plainly show that, for the most part, the ballroom demo graphics were inferior to those of FFX. But if you don't think so, that's your problem.

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Check out what TeamXbox has to say about Sony's broken promises:

You posting a link to an article about the PS2 that is on an Xbox site is no different then if I were to post a link to an article on a PS2 site that claims it lived up to all its tech demos and that the xbox lived up to none. An Xbox site bashing the PS2 has about as much credibility as a PS2 site bashing the Xbox. In other words - none.

So no, I have no intention whatsoever of reading the teamxbox article.

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Depends and on your definition of close. All I see is the textures coming close to that of the demo.

You're also the same one who claims to 'see' that FFX does not come close to the ballroom demo.

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Here's the PC version of Silent Hill 3.

What exactly does the PC version have to do with all this? And if that was a screenshot of the game running on my PC, I would be embarrassed to show it...

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See the huge difference?

Just what exactly are you talking??? A 'huge' difference between the PC version and PS2 versions??? What does that have to do with this discussion? We aren't talking PC vs PS2 here, you know!

More shots from the PS2 version:




Resolution/textures aside, I don't see any "huge" difference unless your definition of "huge" is different from everyone else's. Certainly even in the worst case it is not any greater than, for example, the difference between a middle-range PC vs the Xbox version of Doom3 (and thats really pushing it). Regardless, what the PC version has to do with this is beyond me...

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Video game companies always enhance their pictures.
It used to be done through RGB back in the 16 bit days and now it's done with AA.
The Halo 2 screen shot you put up is of the same quality of what you see in Halo 2, minus the AA of coarse.
No one's denying this, and no one's denying that MS miss the mark with their Robot tech demo.

Actually the reason I came into this thread is because someone was.

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The thing that seperates M$'s Xbox division and Sony's SCEA/J division is Sony's intent to fool the public.

Ooooh so now we're down to conspiracy theories. The Xbox division is pure and angelic and sony is the evil deceiver that turns people into sony zombies.

Grow up. The world is not black and white.

Both sides have tried to and have successfully 'deceived' the public. I don't know about you, but I certainly remember talking to one of my friends after he had seen that incredible first halo 2 trailer. His words were "OMG, did you see the graphics?!?! I'm gonna pre-order it, it's gonna be f----- sweet." (and like the millions of others, he did).

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Those tech demos were never proven to be running on actual PS2 hardware so there's no way of knowing whether they can run in an optomized fashion on the PS2.

Now rewrite that sentence but replace every instance of 'PS2' with 'XBOX'.

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I've yet to see any current console surpass those tech demos
So I don't know where your comment came from.

What tech demos? Are you actually trying to say that NONE of the xbox or ps2 tech demos have been surpassed this generation?!

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As for me having faith in tech demos? Tell that to the folks over at G4TV.

[Carlo210]

QUOTE(miggidy @ Jul 29 2005, 04:57 AM)

Check out what TeamXbox has to say about Sony's broken promises:

[Deftech]

anyone that sees a supposed real time pspoo screenshot and thinks its REAL, when its not filled with jaggies, is so far gone its just effing sad.

those pics can have PS2 stamped all the fug over them, but unless they are riddled with jaggies, then the pic is for show, and not taken from an actual ps2 running the game.

it cannot remove jaggies from a real time scene, whether its ingame play or a real time cut scene. The pics that keep getting posted of Silent Hill 3 are the best example possible. Those supposed ps2 pics lack jaggies, need I say more?

the damn xbox versions of SH 2 and 4 are riddled with them for shits sake!!

LMAO!! Look at the 2 recent pics Mighty whatever posted! Look at the guy int he BG! Smooth as shit! yeah go watch that fuggin scene on a ps2 and tell me it has no jaggies.

Look at the pic with just the girl, look how smooth the BG is! the walls...hahahaha

If you have eyes that see that exact scene, frame for frame, jaggy free, play out on your retail ps2, then youre a freak and should insure your eyes for 5 million $$. who needs HDTV when you have those freaky things.

I wish I had those kinds of eyes.