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[Toddler]

QUOTE(tomgreen99200 @ Nov 16 2009, 10:02 PM)

I dont think LIVE will try and ban them again since im sure it has already collected all the important info such as console ID, serial number and maybe even mac address. If your banned you could bet that they have blocked any console with matching information from signing in.

Not true.  It's already been demonstrated that flashing a pre-ban NAND doesn't allow you to connect to Live if you've already been banned, but some handshaking does take place and you do get banned again (lose the HD ripping ability, etc.).  If this hack works, it would prevent that from happening, since the NAND couldn't be written.  The perfect test scenario.

This post has been edited by Toddler: Nov 17 2009, 05:12 AM

[tomgreen99200]

QUOTE(Toddler @ Nov 17 2009, 05:04 AM)

Doesn't seem risky to me.  Maybe risky if you haven't already been flagged for a ban, but I'm going on the assumption that currently they're able to nail us all, it's just a matter of time.  I'm convinced my console is flagged, and I'm dying to download Sgt. Pepper's tomorrow--this would come in quite handy.  It would be nice to think that if I am destined to be banned, at least I can prevent my console from ever knowing about it.

I agree. I on the other hand dont believe i have been banned or flagged. I have called MS and checked my warranty info via their site and i appear to still be safe. Then again, im not going on again till the new firmware is out. I hope it helps.

[BennyBou]

QUOTE(IamReptar @ Nov 16 2009, 10:54 PM)

How simple, why haven't other people figured this out before?

Well why haven't you found it before. Finding modification on to alter the system behavior on a system like the Xbox 360 is really hard. Every major component behavior is supervised either by another component or remotely by Xbox live protocols. There's no way to tell how the Xbox will react to a modification on something like the Nand chip. We are only speculating on how this baby works until MS actually trigger something to make it so. In this case, maybe MS might come out with a scheme to make lives even worse for banned consoles users.

GodzIvan took the risk of trying this mod for us but he could have well triggered a special security measure that would have prevented the xbox to boot at all... maybe even permanently. The fact that your console is banned doesn't mean MS can't connect to your console and read some stuff on it. When the console try to connect to Xbox Live even if it is banned, there's some sort of handshaking, during this period of time, MS can probe your console and even modify it. Maybe even burn another eFuse without updating the kernel so it would prevent the Xbox to boot.

Sorry for you if you got banned before knowing this solution existed but don't blame anyone for not having found this solution earlier.

[Sauron-Jin]

I think this will have side effects on the behavior of the console, when the 360 realizes it can't write to nand, it may think setting got corrupted or something and cause configuration errors while the WP is grounded. This WP pin functionality has been well known since the first dual nand mods years ago, GodzIvan just rescued old info.

Someone who make this fix, plz post your results.

This post has been edited by Sauron-Jin: Nov 17 2009, 05:22 AM

[ccfman2004]

QUOTE(BennyBou @ Nov 17 2009, 04:44 AM)

Well, I don't think doing this mod violate Xbox Live Terms of service. It voids your warranty for sure but it does not allow you to run backups or cheat on Xbox Live. Would MS really ban people for blocking write on the Nand?

Technically it does violate the ToS so you could get banned.

MS has already banned people who used the 12v fan mod which also does not allow backups.

[Evi1d33d]

QUOTE(DarkEvilKen @ Nov 17 2009, 05:05 AM)

Well, as long as you're connected to live (while you're still not banned) keep write protect ON. If you would want to do updates; download it off the site, burn it, and do it through disc install offline (with write protect OFF) and not through xbox live.

You'll still get banned because the update contains a list of banned console IDs. There's a article where someone decrypted the NAND dump and found the list.

[lvader1]

QUOTE(whaevr @ Nov 16 2009, 06:38 PM)

Pfff they'd only do that if this info was displayed publicly where they could easily reach it. Otherwise how would they know?

....wait

99% of people don't seem to grasp that concept  

[ntkeith]

QUOTE(Evi1d33d @ Nov 16 2009, 10:20 PM)

You'll still get banned because the update contains a list of banned console IDs. There's a article where someone decrypted the NAND dump and found the list.

Could you link to that, I missed it some how

[DarkEvilKen]

QUOTE(Evi1d33d @ Nov 16 2009, 11:20 PM)

You'll still get banned because the update contains a list of banned console IDs. There's a article where someone decrypted the NAND dump and found the list.

Now that really sucks. They've actually bothered including that huge list of IDs with the update. No wonder the updates are so huge and barely change anything.

Guess you'd still have to stick to backing up your NAND.bin prior to any updates expected.

[Evi1d33d]

QUOTE(ntkeith @ Nov 17 2009, 05:35 AM)

Could you link to that, I missed it some how

http://xorloser.com/?p=45
There's an old list from 08 http://xorloser.com/...2009/05/crl.txt

[InvidiousDemise]

Well... I suppose this is good news for those that have yet to get their boxes banned.  

I have one that's already been banned but there is one at the 'rents house that has not been online in a few months. This could get fun. I like hardware mods like this- I feel like I learn more when I do stuff like this.

Would flashing a NAND with a pre-banning NAND image allow restoration of hard drive install certificates?

[sed1356]

QUOTE(Evi1d33d @ Nov 17 2009, 02:44 PM)

http://xorloser.com/?p=45
There's an old list from 08 http://xorloser.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/crl.txt

Although at 5 bytes per consoleID and (if you believe the internet) 1,000,000 consoles banned, that's around 5 MB of just revoked console IDs. Early consoles only had 16MB of NAND flash didn't they? So it would surely getting getting tight on space in there if they were to include the IDs of all the banned consoles.

[Kevin Sydney]

QUOTE(InvidiousDemise @ Nov 16 2009, 08:46 PM)

Well... I suppose this is good news for those that have yet to get their boxes banned.  

I have one that's already been banned but there is one at the 'rents house that has not been online in a few months. This could get fun. I like hardware mods like this- I feel like I learn more when I do stuff like this.

Would flashing a NAND with a pre-banning NAND image allow restoration of hard drive install certificates?

it could, but from what i read you need your cpu key in order to do a full nand restore.

[notmyrealname]

I told my cousin this would happen after microsoft messed with the wrong crowd, and there it is....LOL

he'll be happy cause he's banned but i'm definitely going to do this after LT for my own security.

 and for those crying about what if....m$ finds out and messes things up even more: you're banned already, don't connect to the network, besides there's always risks with modding, for god's sake i looked like a surgeon trying to solder the laser-cut legs on my Wii but I just had to do it and accept the worst, good thing it worked though...

Thanks GodzIvan.

[alwaysonjohn]

this is great news to keep people who are using free60 hacks to keep their dashboard from updating!!!!
Now someone should find an alternative point because i also hate ic legs... who wants to break out the magnifying lens!!!!