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[DanB91]

QUOTE(sancho_panza @ Aug 5 2009, 01:55 PM)

Sorry? He's saying it's best NOT to use CK3 and use the standalone pc solution (insert the drive in the pc with x360 off, and extract, than flash)

Read again.

"To be clear you SHOULD still use an xtractor or CK3 Pro (this is what we use)"

[Philipsstar]

QUOTE(MrFish @ Aug 5 2009, 07:07 PM)

I believe their business model is to get people to send obfuscated key blocks and $42, whereupon they send back unobfuscated keys.

While some people might be interested in these keys out of mere curiosity, most would be wanting to put a hacked firmware on so as to play their backups.

No hacked firmware, no punters, no $42.

Very good

[Takieda]

QUOTE(MrFish @ Aug 5 2009, 01:07 PM)

I believe their business model is to get people to send obfuscated key blocks and $42, whereupon they send back unobfuscated keys.

While some people might be interested in these keys out of mere curiosity, most would be wanting to put a hacked firmware on so as to play their backups.

No hacked firmware, no punters, no $42.

*sighs* from the get go, there is NO CONSPIRACY between THX and foundmy.com... Seriously, with the reputation that THX has, don't you think they could have gone to a more reputable company for this, should that have been their desire?

Aside from that, as stated multiple times, THX has NEVER made a penny for anything that they've done, why would everyone suddenly jump up, THIS ONE TIME and decide that, OOOOOOO they have to be out to scam us now. That is not now the american legal system works; that is not how justice works; that is how anonymous 4chan'ers work. Get over it, it's not real, it didn't happen.

QUOTE(Philipsstar @ Aug 5 2009, 01:09 PM)

Very good

No, not particularly, no secret business dealings between the two, thusly, the argument falls flat. If you think there IS something between the two, just don't go to foundmy.com, don't bother with them, no money spent is no money lost. Wait for THX, or some other group to release a free solution, and stop it with this lame conspiracy theories... seriously... moontruth, and now this? (yes, I'm equating the two, because of how silly BOTH are).


Sorry Iriez, apparently, no amount of discussion can convince these people, I'm out of this silly argument from here on out. Anyone for REASONABLE conversation, can quote me, but I will not be responding to more of this silliness.

[Philipsstar]

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[LEON007]

QUOTE(hetster @ Aug 5 2009, 07:41 PM)

when a conspiracy theory starts its generaly a good idea to come right out and say "thats bulls**t"

the complete oppositte happened in iriez's case. he was thanking them and telling everyone to go to their site and use it. and that we should be thankful to them lol..dear oh dear..
and after all the insults and contradictions iriez threw at all the sceners with serious doubts and questions i dont think many people will listen to a word he says seriously again.
as for THX i sincerely hope they do not have any links to foundmy.com but with iriez as a spokesman they are actualy doing more harm than good..

i could point out lots of posts and quotes from iriez to argue my point just like you could then counter argue with other posts and quotes from iriez which just goes to show the contradiction and harm its done. i would have said doing but as i said nothing he says will be taken seriously again. even when half these posts get deleted and the bans start (i half expect to go to login screen every time i refresh through banning lol).

i'd say its beyond a conspiracy theory now. its allmost become fact wether it is or not and the sole reason for this must lie with iriez and NOT the theorists.

Exactly my thought. I am also feared that when my account get banned here in X-scene. Although I am not doing anything against the rule here. Just can not agree with iriez. Is that crime here??

Iriez openly said that go to foundmy and use there service. Isn't it advertise any site against the rule here??

On "LiteOn 83850c Hack" Thread Iriez clearly state that he was gave his life for free stuff to us and its time they can except something return. You know Iriez I learn many things from your post. You help me lot. I always looking for your post because I knew when you post something its to the point and correct. But when I saw you defending what foundmy asking for I am hurt. Really hurt.

I remember many days ago when Myth a well known PC game cracking group run there private paid FTP site. All sceners are stand against them. Same thing is happened here.

Please don't tell me that cracking securom,fade,starforce,vista OEM bios emulation, WPA,WGA are less illigal than this crypto.

Hope XWizX is not purchased by THX. XWizX dont disappoent us. We are counting on you    joking

[sancho_panza]

QUOTE(DanB91 @ Aug 5 2009, 08:09 PM)

Read again.

"To be clear you SHOULD still use an xtractor or CK3 Pro (this is what we use)"

Ok I reread carefully. You were right.

[sancho_panza]

QUOTE(Takieda @ Aug 5 2009, 08:23 PM)

Wait for THX, or some other group to release a free solution, and stop it with this lame conspiracy theories... seriously... moontruth, and now this? (yes, I'm equating the two, because of how silly BOTH are).
Sorry Iriez, apparently, no amount of discussion can convince these people, I'm out of this silly argument from here on out. Anyone for REASONABLE conversation, can quote me, but I will not be responding to more of this silliness.

Thx will *likely* release a free soltion when 83850c is out-stock, Iriez said, so we should wait a bit.
Hopefully someone else will release something before. And I don't care about conspiracy theories nor to say that thx is behind foundmy (each person here can have their opinion about), it's just a fact that Iriez (as THX spokesman) endorsed Foundmy.com, it's a fact that THX put in their docs (the readme) foundmy as the only solution available, and invited people who want flash their latest ixtreme to use it (certainly, not to avoid them). I am not against THX and do not think they will disagree what I'm saying, as those are facts.

[Iriez]

QUOTE(XbotWiz @ Aug 5 2009, 08:32 AM)

Good News!

I'll keep this short and sweet but basically we WILL be releasing a FREE solution for the Liteon 83850c within the next two weeks (19/8/09), our new team (still recruiting too) have already successfully obtained the key from the drive and flashed back to it with no issues at all on twelve 360's,

This is our plan:
We will be releasing this solution totally free as it should be (charging for this service is a pi*s take), before we release this out to the public we are going to ask for around 50 "testers" who will be given the chance to get this solution early and report back to the team of any issues that we need to fix before release, please send me a pm to be a tester, we will have 25 places open for xbox-scene members.

The ONLY thing we ask in return will be for donations IF and ONLY IF you think we deserve a donation AFTER you have used the new tools, there will be no forced payments or silly fee's to get your keys!
We will also be trying to contact c4eva to see if we can come to some sort of agreement so we can release the solution in with a slightly revised iextreme 1.6/jungleflasher, if not we will do this without them as we already have our own software in beta which offers the same features as JF.
Iriez forgets to mention that there are MANY other teams out there that have the talent, experience and contacts to match the work already done except we will NOT charge for it simple as that.
Important:
If this thread/post gets deleted you can find us over on a few other well known 360 hacking sites....
Look forward to working with some of you.
Team XWizX

First, why on earth do you think I would delete your post?

Second, why do you presume that I am against other groups working on this? You apparently do not know how involved I am with this scene. I have worked with over a 100 different developers and dozens of groups in the past 8 or 9 years for this scene. To imply that im holding back information is silly. Of course there are other people with talent. I work with most of them.

You've already contacted the maker of JungleFlasher, and he has already responded to you. We are all one big happy family here. Do you forget that JungleFlasher was released with Ixtreme? It was originally a Team Jungle Collaboration.

I am not opposed to a 'free' solution. What I am opposed to is releasing something that may hurt our scene more than help it.

Understand it from this perspective:

If by releasing a toolset that could be reverse enginered, and the secrets that you tried to hide within a tool come out in the open to MS/LiteOn/MTK, then you are basically handing them a golden ticket. You are saying "Here is the method we used to defeat your technology, go ahead and patch it".

Frankly, I would rather keep a few secrets, and see someone do it on the backend like foundmy, so that our scene may be protected in the long run.

People commonly fail to look at the bigger picture, not only because they are ignorant of what actually goes on, but because they cannot think past their own nose. Do you think you paying 30 or 40 dollars is a big deal? Its nothing. Your expenses are shavings of pennies compared to what the people who RUN this scene incur as costs to make sure that you complaining children can mod your xbox.

So, no, I am not opposed to working with anyone on providing alternative solutions. But you forget that I have already mentioned that alternative solutions were already thought of, and discussed. We unfortunately have not come up with a viable solution that will be more efficient than the current implementation.

Now, as for other news...

Im currently trying to work out a deal with foundmy to not only lower their prices, but to offer proceeds towards THX and the scene. Hell, maybe even donate some to the cancer foundations and starving children. I dont care, as long as more people are being benefitted from this.

So to all of you, i am doing my best to find a alternative solution for the public. I will keep you abreast of news as it comes! I hope to have something solidified very soon. At the very least, I want to see the price of this service dropped. I stated in my very first post that I thought this was too aggressive, and I hold by that. This is a license ....not a modchip. To be paid for your work is fair, but you also need to be fair in your pricing.

QUOTE(majinsoftware @ Aug 5 2009, 09:42 AM)

Maybe they found the master key, The master key being a key that you can use on any drive and it will tell the xbox that its correct.

Its something all the DEVs dont want people to know about. Basiclly with it you can buy xboxs off ebay that people lost the key to. Then use the master key and then you have a working xbox again.

But then again the master key could just be a myth.

wtf?

PLEASE do not spread this trash. I've never heard of this before, but its 100% false.

[harrytasker]

QUOTE(Iriez @ Aug 5 2009, 09:56 PM)

Understand it from this perspective:

If by releasing a toolset that could be reverse enginered, and the secrets that you tried to hide within a tool come out in the open to MS/LiteOn/MTK, then you are basically handing them a golden ticket. You are saying "Here is the method we used to defeat your technology, go ahead and patch it".

Sounds fair enough to me.
I am not in to programming/hacking or whatsoever but isn't it possible to reverse engineer any toolset.
Isn't that how most hacks work?

[Iriez]

QUOTE(Carter33 @ Aug 5 2009, 11:15 AM)

Past 2 days have shocked me , But i am glad to see the SCENE is still alive.
And there are people willing to put the time in for FREE and at personal risk.

The scene is alive when people take personal risks to provide you with something for free?

........

Does anyone else find that concept good? I dont. Even though it might be practiced frequently, and quite courageously....its still a VERY selfish thing to request.

Its easy for joe blow who just needs to mod his xbox to make these kinds of statements. Your not risking jail time. You dont have a family that will starve if you get taken away in chains, or involved in a expensive litigation. *sighs*

QUOTE(XbotWiz @ Aug 5 2009, 12:25 PM)

I will also state this:

The pricing structure Foundmy.com is charging is a complete joke, the work they have put into this is NOT worth $42 a key, the simple fact is this, they thought they would be the only people with the solution for a while so they decided to charge utterly stupid prices for it making a laughing stock out of the WHOLE 360 scene at the same time,

It is thanks to Foundmy.Com that we (Team XWizX) are here now, we didn't like what they was doing (charging for something that should be free) so decided to go ahead and get the FREE solution sorted instead, thanks Foundmy.com!  

I agree to some extent. The price is definitely way too much.

Just remember that doing something for free does not make you a hero if you hurt more than you help.

QUOTE(sancho_panza @ Aug 5 2009, 12:50 PM)

Are you joking?
We are discussing about this for three days now. It's obvious the lad in foundmy is not a hacker and behind him there's a group of hacker somewhat endorsed by Iriez, who is the same spokesman of thx (this doesn't mean the group of hacker behind foundmy is the same, just that Iriez and thx team endorse the job foundmy is making for the scene).

Its been publically stated that we are NOT endorsing them. Please stop spreading false information.

It is just a solution, and one that works. If it was not for them releasing their solution, you would have ZERO right now. Nothing. Squat. No IX, no keys, nothing.

So regardless of anyones personal opinions, facts are facts. I support the distribution of INFORMATION regarding foundmy and their practice, so that people may know they have options. Nothing more.

[celltoolz]

QUOTE

Understand it from this perspective:

If by releasing a toolset that could be reverse enginered, and the secrets that you tried to hide within a tool come out in the open to MS/LiteOn/MTK, then you are basically handing them a golden ticket. You are saying "Here is the method we used to defeat your technology, go ahead and patch it".

If you guys don't want to post the decryption algorithm ie. by releasing a decrypter, then all you would have to do is make a program (or add this function to JF) that uploads the firmware to a remote server, have that server automatically decrypt the Key and send it back to the user.  This way there would only be a transfer of firmware data and they wouldn't see how the decryption actually works.   Hope this makes any since i just blazed up.  lol  ....

Also this server could keep track of the amount of consoles being modded so you would get an idea of how many people are using this software.  Any firmware acquired to this server of coarse would have to be (re)encrypted and stored safely so if MS ever did get there hands on it then they wouldn't be able to ban people's consoles.  Or better yet save the Hard Drive space and don't store the firmware for longer then it's needed.  

Just a suggestion

-CellToolz

[XbotWiz]

QUOTE(Iriez @ Aug 5 2009, 09:03 PM)

First, why on earth do you think I would delete your post?

Second, why do you presume that I am against other groups working on this? You apparently do not know how involved I am with this scene. I have worked with over a 100 different developers and dozens of groups in the past 8 or 9 years for this scene. To imply that im holding back information is silly. Of course there are other people with talent. I work with most of them.

Sorry if it seems we are being "cautious" but I'm sure you can understand after the last few days of developments on the scene, the problem is this, no one here knows for sure who is or isn't involved with foundmy.com, we still don't....

QUOTE(Iriez @ Aug 5 2009, 09:03 PM)

You've already contacted the maker of JungleFlasher, and he has already responded to you. We are all one big happy family here. Do you forget that JungleFlasher was released with Ixtreme? It was originally a Team Jungle Collaboration.

We totally understand that but like everything in life things can change, sometimes for the worse, we're just protecting ourselves at the moment simple as that.

QUOTE(Iriez @ Aug 5 2009, 09:03 PM)

I am not opposed to a 'free' solution. What I am opposed to is releasing something that may hurt our scene more than help it.

Understand it from this perspective:

If by releasing a toolset that could be reverse enginered, and the secrets that you tried to hide within a tool come out in the open to MS/LiteOn/MTK, then you are basically handing them a golden ticket. You are saying "Here is the method we used to defeat your technology, go ahead and patch it".

Frankly, I would rather keep a few secrets, and see someone do it on the backend like foundmy, so that our scene may be protected in the long run.

Charging for a key is one thing, charging $42 for a key is a completely different matter, there was no need for it being so high, this is why our new team has been created to ensure there is another solution out there but one which is totally free for everyone to use while at the same time will NOT cause any issues for the scene down the line,

We have some very good coders working with us to ensure our toolkit will not be compromised and no details about how the key is extracted/created is given out, a LOT of thought has gone into every aspect of our work and isn't something that has just been thought up in the last few days....

QUOTE(Iriez @ Aug 5 2009, 09:03 PM)

People commonly fail to look at the bigger picture, not only because they are ignorant of what actually goes on, but because they cannot think past their own nose. Do you think you paying 30 or 40 dollars is a big deal? Its nothing. Your expenses are shavings of pennies compared to what the people who RUN this scene incur as costs to make sure that you complaining children can mod your xbox.

So, no, I am not opposed to working with anyone on providing alternative solutions. But you forget that I have already mentioned that alternative solutions were already thought of, and discussed. We unfortunately have not come up with a viable solution that will be more efficient than the current implementation.

We're a part of that "bigger picture" you mention but there is still no way on this planet anyone can justify charging people over $40 for a key that takes no longer than 10 seconds to generate,

You may not have came up with a viable solution but we certainly have...

QUOTE(Iriez @ Aug 5 2009, 09:03 PM)

Now, as for other news...

Im currently trying to work out a deal with foundmy to not only lower their prices, but to offer proceeds towards THX and the scene. Hell, maybe even donate some to the cancer foundations and starving children. I dont care, as long as more people are being benefitted from this.

Sorry to say this but I will believe this when I see it, hope your right but it may be a little too late now...

QUOTE(Iriez @ Aug 5 2009, 09:03 PM)

So to all of you, i am doing my best to find a alternative solution for the public. I will keep you abreast of news as it comes! I hope to have something solidified very soon. At the very least, I want to see the price of this service dropped. I stated in my very first post that I thought this was too aggressive, and I hold by that. This is a license ....not a modchip. To be paid for your work is fair, but you also need to be fair in your pricing.

Or you could keep the scene FREE and hope people donate for your work...

[Iriez]

QUOTE(celltoolz @ Aug 5 2009, 03:22 PM)

If you guys don't want to post the decryption algorithm ie. by releasing a decrypter, then all you would have to do is make a program (or add this function to JF) that uploads the firmware to a remote server, have that server automatically decrypt the Key and send it back to the user.  This way there would only be a transfer of firmware data and they wouldn't see how the decryption actually works.   Hope this makes any since i just blazed up.  lol  ....

Also this server could keep track of the amount of consoles being modded so you would get an idea of how many people are using this software.  Any firmware acquired to this server of coarse would have to be (re)encrypted and stored safely so if MS ever did get there hands on it then they wouldn't be able to ban people's consoles.  Or better yet save the Hard Drive space and don't store the firmware for longer then it's needed.  

Just a suggestion

-CellToolz

That is what foundmy is doing. it has already been stated that THX has absolutely no plans of doing such a thing. Whoever ran this server would have to incur the cost of operation, plus run the risk of legal issues. It is not on the behalf of the team to take such risks.

Side note:

I have contacted XbotWiz to get connected to the right people to make progress on this front. He has already been given information by a member of JungleFlasher and has not responded. If he is serious about his statements he should have already joined.

[xbox360sexual]

QUOTE(celltoolz @ Aug 5 2009, 09:22 PM)

If you guys don't want to post the decryption algorithm ie. by releasing a decrypter

I honestly do not see the big deal with releasing the decrypt method. Either way, MS now know that their current encryption is compromised, so presumably they'll update to another encryption rendering any old tools useless.

[saleem_hacks_360s]

why dont they do just like battlefield 1943 but,use donations up front,when they got $43,000,000 the community opens up this holy grail of a key extractor thingymibob.

   

 

on serious note,good luck to all those who want to release a free solution,i will donate.good luck iriez on your quest for getting something for thx (even though i think they are in on it) i dont want to argue if they are not i would like to see them get donations.

 

i just hope they can get a solid solution away from taking control of the key away from us.