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QUOTE(Iriez @ Aug 3 2009, 08:27 PM)

First, you'll be waiting a very long time. Forever, likely.

Second, are you a lawyer? I know a few guys who have consulted with theirs. The implications of legal prosecution is not a small matter.

However, your just a end user of this scene. You are not involved. You do not have the experience or background that I do. Your friends have not been raided by the FBI, had their shops pulled down. You've not seen people go to prison. No, not JAIL. PRISON.

I have.

So please understand and take this with the best intentions: You are ignorant.

Of course im not in jail. I've done nothing wrong. Im simply the person who communicates. If others work is illegal then that is a risk they run. Its part of this industry. There are just lines that sometimes you dont want to cross, because crossing them WILL bring down the law ontop of your head.

Why are the implications so big with lite-on compared to any other drive firmware that has been released with hacked copyrighted code? I'm no lawyer but what makes this so special... I don't wanna see anyone go to prison for this, but if anyone is, it's gonna be the site owner who is making profit.

Yes I am just an end user, so maybe that's why I find it hard to understand. I am not trying to annoy you or be ignorant, I just wanna understand.

[jt1]

QUOTE(hetster @ Aug 3 2009, 09:47 PM)

they can log my ip all they like lol..i have visited the site once (which was enough to put me off instantly lol) i have not signed up for the site have not given any details and will never do so..if something was to happen to that site i'm pretty sure the authorities would point the finger at the 100+ users who have complained and had an axe to grind with the site lol..

i do think before i type and i have made some valid points that i hope Terry Waskowich takes very seriously.
i also know the site didnt just pop up..3 pages of complaints show its been doing bad business for a few years now lol..
also 1 of the main gripes on the complaints list was about shipping addresses not matching credit card addresses. this is a well known problem..especialy with oscommerce and paypal but after 3 years he is still having the same problems as his front page warns you about addresses not matching..

i challenge you to put all this aside and visit foundmy.com as though you where a first time user.. are you seriously telling me you would trust a site that looks like that with your credit card :-s

i actualy know hwat i am taking about but am not going to get into a bitching contest. if anyone wants to pay $42 to that site then feel free..i wouldnt give them 1 cent as it would mean me signing up to them..

He doesn't recieve your credit card information. He uses the RBSWORLDPAY payment gateway system. Enough bashing him allready.

[DanB91]

QUOTE(Iriez @ Aug 3 2009, 03:27 PM)

First, you'll be waiting a very long time. Forever, likely.

Second, are you a lawyer? I know a few guys who have consulted with theirs. The implications of legal prosecution is not a small matter.

However, your just a end user of this scene. You are not involved. You do not have the experience or background that I do. Your friends have not been raided by the FBI, had their shops pulled down. You've not seen people go to prison. No, not JAIL. PRISON.

I have.

So please understand and take this with the best intentions: You are ignorant.

Of course im not in jail. I've done nothing wrong. Im simply the person who communicates. If others work is illegal then that is a risk they run. Its part of this industry. There are just lines that sometimes you dont want to cross, because crossing them WILL bring down the law ontop of your head.

Is what foundmy.com doing illegal?  After all, they are decrypting the key which you have said is illegal.  If so do you really think that the FBI is going to take down his site?  

Do you really think this is the only guy on the planet that has the capabilities of decrypting the firmware?  Or was that "forever" response to whether the program that this guy is using will be leaked? (In which case I agree with you)

I would to also know what happened to the "failsafe" option you announced as well.

[GamerBR]

Isn't it IXtreme itself illegal because it use tools to do that they are not allowed to?What makes using the algorithm so much worse?Also if someone makes a closed source program they would only be using it,not disclosing it.If that's the case,what makes releasing a closed source program different from charging to decrypt the key and from using a tool to make an unauthorized firmware?They all seen to make the same offence,use tools that were not allowed to

[LiGhTfasT]

THIS is OUTRAGEOUS

[HotKnife420]

This thread is starting to get out of hand. Remember that piracy discussion is not really tolerated on this site.

 That being said, a lot of you really are not seeing the big picture here. What foundmy is doing isn't really different than what Maximus was doing with the passkey (and now we don't need that for 79's). More importantly, spending money with foundmy supports the scene. When programmers/hackers/coders/etc that do these things have a way to get paid for their work, then the scene can become more active, because the interest will be higher. When everyone wants everything for free, the incentive goes away (after all, you have bills to pay; why worry about the newest xbox drive when all the other ones are already hacked, etc).

 Is $42 high? Yes, in contrast to the other services available, it does seem a bit overpriced, but that's what competition is for. If you're a flasher, then simply factor the $42 into the cost. If you just got stuck with this xbox, either get an older one, or just pay the money.

 The only people who really have a valid complaint will be the people who buy this service(one time) and have their xbox die and need to be replaced. I know people who have been through 7-12 360s already, so if you factor in potential RRoD, this hack *could become* expensive to single users (and given their reptutation, you could have communication trouble, as well).

 

QUOTE(Vrtclhykr @ Aug 3 2009, 09:32 PM)

Back in the day we were charging $100-$150 to mod a PS2.  

 Back in the day (and still today), the PS2 is a lot harder to mod than a 360. You have small solder points, and a harder design to break down and re-assemble (hell, some laptops are easier to dissemble/reassemble). The only reason I refuse to chip a PS2 for anyone anymore is because nobody's willing to pay what I'll charge. A 360, on the other hand, is easy as pie (I can literally take it all apart and put it back together with my eyes closed).

[Traviss63]

QUOTE(Iriez @ Aug 3 2009, 07:12 AM)

The crypt used on these drives are NOT simple. If we found a way to decrypt the key data this moment, you would still never see it released to public. Its simply very illegal.

So I hate to break it to everyone, but its looking like this will be the only solution.

I don't get how this is any different then bios files for original Xbox mods. The bios were made out of copyrighted data and you couldn't just find the files anywhere as they were illegal.. but xbins, torrent sites, and numerous other sources made the finger pointing almost impossible...

So again I ask, How is this any different???  

PS. For the record I could care less about the price as I dont have a 83850c but IMHO $42 isnt bad as I've charged more then that for every mod I've ever done.

[Poopmonkey]

QUOTE(Iriez @ Aug 3 2009, 12:35 PM)

There is no legal way to release it. The crypto involved is very advanced. Some of the best hackers in this industry have been continuously stumped by it. Good luck, but I would be willing to give 1:5 odd's that no one is going to come up with a solution if we dont. Feel free to PM me your wagers.
HyperX has not announced that we will have a way to extract the keys from the drive. I do not know where you got this information from, but its blantantly false. It was stated that a solution was found, but that details needed to be worked out.

As stated earlier in this thread, the encrypted key data was one of the main obstacles holding ixtreme back for this new drive. If we cannot deliver a clean efficient and legal solution to the problem, then we cannot deliver. Since there is a solution, now we can deliver the firmware.

Legal solution? How are you guys worried about legality now? iXtreme firmware itself is illegal since it contains MS code which has been altered. Basically it's illegal to modify even the firmware. Because when you buy a xbox 360 console you buy the rights to use the software which operates the console. You don't own the software. The people who own it are MS and their partners who developed the 360. It is clearly illegal to reverse-engineer any of the hardware or software, modify it, and then use it for your own purpose. Just read the DMCA it's all there. Basically, it sounds like the team is covering their ass because they are in too deep and want out.

[hetster]

also the difference with the passkey was you physicaly got something for your money..you felt like you purchased something you could see..to charge double for a digital file transfer is oh here we go again..i'm gunna give up lol..

if people wanna pay for it then good luck to them..i no longer flash drives as i cannot possibly charge ANYONE that price to flash a 360..i used ot charge £10 and free upgrades..$42 is triple that
i think i'll stick to repairing 360's instead and let everyone else worry about how much it costs and where to get it done..

[idog]

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[frags]

If there is a wager to be made, it should be that THX has a new store front called foundmy.

[wawnord]

Passkey = One PAY= xxxxxx uses
LO 8xxxxx key decryption = 1 Pay = 1 Use

so it's not the same

[somenutter]

you know what ive got a better idea than this foundmy.com bullshit

why dont team jungle just ask for a donation from everyone that uses it ? say 20-30 dollars

then have some balls and release a hack for it when they have a hundred grand or something ?

because iriez said the hack can be done its just too naughty to let out

i would give that amount at least for a way to hack the new drive

[OggyUK]

My point being the cries of

"Id pay for a soft unlock so I didnt have to use this"

and all them noobs that fooked their drives removing epoxy?

£55 for a passkey install at the time (in alot of places)

£27 for this data.

[xbox360sexual]

QUOTE(somenutter @ Aug 3 2009, 10:59 PM)

why dont team jungle just ask for a donation from everyone that uses it ? say 20-30 dollars

BCOS IT'S TOO ILLEGAL LULZ AND THX ALWAYZ STAY WIVIN DA LAW

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