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[BlackWar]

QUOTE(Toddler @ May 20 2009, 09:29 AM)

For BenQ owners:

If you open the firmware in a hex editor, you'll find three locations which control the drive speeds:

0000BFB1
0000BFBD
0000BFC9

In the "official" 12x firmware, those values are as follows (0C = 12 in hexadecimal, 08 and 05 are obvious):

0000BFB1 = 0C (12x)
0000BFBD = 08 (8x)
0000BFC9 = 05 (5x)

The first location controls the max speed. The second and third locations specify fallback speeds. So in the iX1.6 firmware, the default is 12x, with fallback speeds of 8x and 5x. Now for the edited firmwares:

8x:

0000BFB1 = 08
0000BFBD = 08
0000BFC9 = 05

5x:

0000BFB1 = 05
0000BFBD = 05
0000BFC9 = 05

2x:

0000BFB1 = 02
0000BFBD = 02
0000BFC9 = 02

These are the identical drive speed settings that c4e himself included in iX1.41.

Man, I am getting tired of constantly quoting this from the readme file that comes with the 1.6 FW, and this is pulled from the readme that comes with the benq 1.6 fw....

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-Strict drive speed compliance - 12x only for game discs!
Strict drive speed compliance means games will only boot if drive is set for the initial speed of 12x, any modification of this make games fail to boot

Yes, we know the location of the drives speed setting, but if there is a "strict drive speed compliance" check in the FW, do you not think that buried someplace else in the FW that checks those locations and insures that those settings are not altered?

There is a reason why that check was put into place, and that is because it is *speculated* that the drive speed *might* be linked to bannings.

But, hey, dont take my word for it or C4E's word for it. Go ahead and try changing the drives speed setting in the latest 1.6 ixtreme FW and see if anything loads. If it does by simply changing those locations settings, I will eat my words....

[uradodah]

QUOTE(BlackWar @ May 20 2009, 12:11 PM)

But, hey, dont take my word for it or C4E's word for it. Go ahead and try changing the drives speed setting in the latest 1.6 ixtreme FW and see if anything loads. If it does by simply changing those locations settings, I will eat my words....

Obviously, from previous posts that I've made, I don't advocate changing the drive speed in the new f/w's.  However, I get the feeling you'll be eating your words soon as I doubt the people who have posted (after changing the drive speed in 1.6) did so *without* making sure it booted games first.

There's been several people at this point who *claim* to have changed the drive speeds with success.  Yes - they may be at a higher risk of getting banned but that's their choice.  If they don't use Live - at all or on the modded console - there really is no risk...assuming it boots the games.

[BlackWar]

QUOTE(uradodah @ May 20 2009, 11:00 AM)

There's been several people at this point who *claim* to have changed the drive speeds with success.

I have read several posts (in this section and other sections of this forum) stating the locations (such as the one I quoted above) on where to make the changes, but I have yet to come across any posts of anybody actually doing it (or as you put it, *claim* to have done it) successfully.

Now, I am not doubting you (nobody thought anybody would be able to play a backup on a 360 without a mod-chip....well, look where we are now   ) but I would like to see such posts myself. If you could post a link (or links) to the post(s) that make such a claim so I could read them myself and ask a few questions their myself as to how exactly it was done.

The reason for my curiosity is how they managed to bypass such a check considering how much testing went into this to prevent people from doing it.

[Bon Scott]

Anyone interested about drive speed changing, just google for Hb-Released BHS Speed Changer - Mazouck's program. BHS means BenQ-Hitachi-Samsung. My console runs right now iXtreme 1.6 5x.

[uradodah]

QUOTE(BlackWar @ May 20 2009, 02:07 PM)

I have read several posts (in this section and other sections of this forum) stating the locations (such as the one I quoted above) on where to make the changes, but I have yet to come across any posts of anybody actually doing it (or as you put it, *claim* to have done it) successfully.

Now, I am not doubting you (nobody thought anybody would be able to play a backup on a 360 without a mod-chip....well, look where we are now  (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) ) but I would like to see such posts myself. If you could post a link (or links) to the post(s) that make such a claim so I could read them myself and ask a few questions their myself as to how exactly it was done.

The reason for my curiosity is how they managed to bypass such a check considering how much testing went into this to prevent people from doing it.

Oh yes - I forgot this forum is *the only* one that exists.

See the post above mine and let's all stop the BS about not being able to change drive speeds.  Should people do it?  Probably not.  But to think it can't successfully be done is ridiculous.

As quoted in the latest f/w release 'Strict drive speed compliance...(as it relates to 12x speed)...' is only as good as the data coded within the f/w itself.  If that data is changed from 12x to say 8x or 5x, suddenly, that 'Strict drive speed compliance' is changed to ensure compliance with a totally different drive speed.

Nobody is bypassing the check as you stated.  They're modifying it so that it checks for a different speed.

I don't remember seeing anything coming from Team HyperX indicating a lot of testing went into this solely to prevent people from being able to change the drive speed.  Did I miss something?

As if nobody's ever said something will not work when modified - even though it will - in an attempt to keep people from trying to change it...

This post has been edited by uradodah: May 20 2009, 11:02 PM

[Toddler]

QUOTE(BlackWar @ May 20 2009, 12:11 PM)

Man, I am getting tired of constantly quoting this from the readme file that comes with the 1.6 FW

Rest your fingers then, because what's written in the readme file seems to be irrelevant.

QUOTE(BlackWar @ May 20 2009, 12:11 PM)

Yes, we know the location of the drives speed setting, but if there is a "strict drive speed compliance" check in the FW, do you not think that buried someplace else in the FW that checks those locations and insures that those settings are not altered?

What was written in the readme implies the firmware won't boot a disc unless it's spinning at 12x.  Maybe that was a bluff, maybe it's coded wrong...all I can tell you is that doesn't seem to be the case.  If that bothers you, you'll have to take it up with c4e.

QUOTE(BlackWar @ May 20 2009, 12:11 PM)

There is a reason why that check was put into place, and that is because it is *speculated* that the drive speed *might* be linked to bannings.

Yep...I'll take my chances.  I've been running at 5x on two 360s for over two years.  I'd rather buy a new 360 every November than listen to the 12x all year long.  My money, my choice.

QUOTE(BlackWar @ May 20 2009, 12:11 PM)

But, hey, dont take my word for it or C4E's word for it. Go ahead and try changing the drives speed setting in the latest 1.6 ixtreme FW and see if anything loads. If it does by simply changing those locations settings, I will eat my words....

Hope you're hungry.  

[BlackWar]

lmao, it seems that I am hungry  

I would have thought that C4E and the team would have put more effort into it to back up their claim, but then again, how much can you really do with 256k?

[mik30]

QUOTE(BlackWar @ May 20 2009, 09:07 PM)

I have read several posts (in this section and other sections of this forum) stating the locations (such as the one I quoted above) on where to make the changes, but I have yet to come across any posts of anybody actually doing it (or as you put it, *claim* to have done it) successfully.

I already wrote several times in this thread that I did test it myself.
There is actually no check in it that prevents lower speeds from booting.
The quote in the readme you are constantly referring to is not correct.
Just read it this way: The v1.6 release is just 12x.

[sdboltdude]

couple of questions about iso disk
1.do you need disk for wave 3 games?
2. is their a games list yet for the iso disk
3.i use xbc for games sammy & pioneer do i still have to use iso disk?only play 360 games no xbox1 games

[Bon Scott]

QUOTE(sdboltdude @ May 23 2009, 10:33 PM)

couple of questions about iso disk
1.do you need disk for wave 3 games?
2. is their a games list yet for the iso disk
3.i use xbc for games sammy & pioneer do i still have to use iso disk?only play 360 games no xbox1 games

If you got good stealthed backups 100% equal to the original, the iso disc is useless. The disc is just to boot non-stealthed games. But it is not wise to use it, cause it spoils live security.

[xbox360sexual]

Don't suppose there's an update on when 1.6 will be available for Hitachi?

[Ssseth]

QUOTE(xbox360sexual @ Jun 9 2009, 01:02 AM)

Don't suppose there's an update on when 1.6 will be available for Hitachi?

Never mind when the ETA is on Hitachi drives for this release (since it says there is none right in the first post), but I'm wondering how long has it been on average in the past? We could probably base our assumptions (ballpark anyway) on that.

I'm just curious since I'm still on 1.4 and can't play wave 3 backups. I've decided to wait until 1.6 rather than do 1.51 since the guy who does it charges me $20 each time.

[caster420]

QUOTE(scienide @ Jun 9 2009, 01:40 PM)

Could samtool be incompatible with the 1.6 fw ?

Use firmtool over samtool.  Samtool's code is extremely dated.

Caster.

[run187]

QUOTE(Ssseth @ Jun 9 2009, 04:42 PM)

Never mind when the ETA is on Hitachi drives for this release (since it says there is none right in the first post), but I'm wondering how long has it been on average in the past? We could probably base our assumptions (ballpark anyway) on that.

I'm just curious since I'm still on 1.4 and can't play wave 3 backups. I've decided to wait until 1.6 rather than do 1.51 since the guy who does it charges me $20 each time.

Buy yourself another drive ie benq or lite on get frimware off current one yourself and spoof it to bought drive
Then get updates at same time as rest of us and have better drive (anything better than hitachi imo)

if i could figure a way to stick my firmware on liteon dvd drive which is basicly the same as xbox one then i could in theory save myself some money on new drives nothing to do with anything i know ..

[Ssseth]

QUOTE(run187 @ Jun 10 2009, 12:49 AM)

Buy yourself another drive ie benq or lite on get frimware off current one yourself and spoof it to bought drive
Then get updates at same time as rest of us and have better drive (anything better than hitachi imo)

if i could figure a way to stick my firmware on liteon dvd drive which is basicly the same as xbox one then i could in theory save myself some money on new drives nothing to do with anything i know ..

Thanks for the suggestion but I'd rather not replace my drive. Anytime it comes to taking a console apart, I like getting the professionals to flash my stuff anyway.

I'll wait for the update. I was just wondering if anyone knew ballpark how often it normally takes for the Hitachi release to come out. Two weeks, a month, two months, etc?