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[BlackWar]

QUOTE(uradodah @ May 16 2009, 09:19 PM)

Let's not forget the reason they're being so strict about staying with the 12x drive speed.  C4eva has said they believe drive speed was one of the factors used by M$ in previous ban waves.  That's why all new f/w will use 12x drive speed - to eliminate that risk.

Because of this info, I wouldn't recommend anyone change the drive speed and just leave it at the standard 12x speed.  There's no sense in needlessly putting yourself at even more risk of getting banned!

If you read the readme that came with the FW, then you would also have known that changing the drive speed will prevent the FW from actually working. They put a "fail safe" in the FW to check the drives speed, and if it was changed, it will prevent the game from loading, backup or not.

[Takashi]

NIIICE!
friggin finally, it'll stop all this nonsense!

[Xmodss]

QUOTE(Benny_26 @ May 16 2009, 09:44 PM)

Turns out that none of wave3 games work, authentic one and patched one, none work

old games work fine

 you have the wrong release make sure you use the one that says "repacked" that was the bug with the one the was originally released it wouldn't play 3rd wave games

[lllN30lll]

QUOTE(bobeck @ May 16 2009, 10:06 PM)

i messed up a flash badly and now dvd drive has the wrong key just like harry posted...is the drive bricked without a backup of the previous fw?

even if you didn't backup your keys, a LOT of people forget that JF asks you to save your log when you close it, If you check through the log you will definately find your DVD key in there.

[hardie]

Thanks go to all at THX especially C4eva for all there work they have done
Much appreciated and look forward to any future (if any) releases
Thanks again  

[mr_spoon]

big thx for new firmware like, but this "Strict drive speed compliance means games will only boot if drive is set for the initial speed of 12x, any modification of this make games fail to boot" ...erm why the lockout, what happend to choice.. not everyone likes 12x and some of us don't mind risking a ban. this sucks big time dude! ..fw is appreciated don't get me wrong, it's just nice to not run 12x which is LOUD..


spoon  

[OggyUK]

Then use non stealth f/w and take the same precautions.

[fatvince]

QUOTE(kaneda_77 @ May 17 2009, 12:42 AM)

I found that on my liteon that there is writing all over my drive serials sticker when I attempt rebuild the dummy. Can I extract them from my dump? or at least verify them in some way?

Assuming that I manage to rebuild the dummy, is dosflash a must or can jf be used?
i keep getting symptoms as if the drive key is wrong.

I copied the serials from my drive and used Geremia's (sp?) tool to integrate it into the hacked firmware, you shouldn't need to extract them from your dump, just double check when inputting them (the tool rejects invalid serials anyway afaik)

I used dosflash, your mileage may vary, JF just didn't work no matter what I did.

[xmugen360]

thx for all the work i dont know how you do it....

i know this is for game ripping potentially but is this considered "safer" for live?

[paulrules]

QUOTE(mr_spoon @ May 17 2009, 06:06 AM)

big thx for new firmware like, but this "Strict drive speed compliance means games will only boot if drive is set for the initial speed of 12x, any modification of this make games fail to boot" ...erm why the lockout, what happend to choice.. not everyone likes 12x and some of us don't mind risking a ban. this sucks big time dude! ..fw is appreciated don't get me wrong, it's just nice to not run 12x which is LOUD..
spoon  

Any other drive speed is detectable by XBL, and therefore makes the firmware unsafe to use.

[Toddler]

QUOTE(paulrules @ May 17 2009, 08:40 AM)

Any other drive speed is detectable by XBL, and therefore makes the firmware unsafe to use.

That's such BS, it is only speculation that it *might* be somehow detectable, and even if that was the case, there's no evidence that M$ could possibly rely on that data for bannings.  Even the stock firmware falls back to slower speeds if a disc can't be read at 12x.

QUOTE(OggyUK @ May 17 2009, 05:15 AM)

Then use non stealth f/w and take the same precautions.

Great, except that there's no non-stealth firmware for Lite-On.

[K1LLERHORNET]

QUOTE(Toddler @ May 17 2009, 03:24 PM)

That's such BS, it is only speculation that it *might* be somehow detectable, and even if that was the case, there's no evidence that M$ could possibly rely on that data for bannings.  Even the stock firmware falls back

thats true - discs don't always read at 12x.

also, if that was the case, what would happen to people running games from the HDD?

[mik30]

QUOTE(BlackWar @ May 17 2009, 07:18 AM)

If you read the readme that came with the FW, then you would also have known that changing the drive speed will prevent the FW from actually working. They put a "fail safe" in the FW to check the drives speed, and if it was changed, it will prevent the game from loading, backup or not.

If you would have read what I wrote before you would have understood
that that is not true. You have as well misunderstood that part of the
readme which is indeed quite unclear.

I myself tested lower speedsettings with the 1.6 FW and can emphasize
that the FW either does not include such a check or the check does not
work.
Anyway, like I already wrote in an earlier posting: The drive is
constructed in a way that it lowers the speed by itself from
12x to 8x to 5x to 2x in 3 steps if necessary. That is a specially denoted
behaviour, which is also described in the XBOX SDK.
Therefor these speeds are expected by the 360 kernel and
applications to occour. Using these speeds does not include any risk
 of being banned from LIVE at all, because they are supported and
may happen under normal use.

[uradodah]

QUOTE(mik30 @ May 17 2009, 10:45 AM)

If you would have read what I wrote before you would have understood
that that is not true. You have as well misunderstood that part of the
readme which is indeed quite unclear.

I myself tested lower speedsettings with the 1.6 FW and can emphasize
that the FW either does not include such a check or the check does not
work.
Anyway, like I already wrote in an earlier posting: The drive is
constructed in a way that it lowers the speed by itself from
12x to 8x to 5x to 2x in 3 steps if necessary. That is a specially denoted
behaviour, which is also described in the XBOX SDK.
Therefor these speeds are expected by the 360 kernel and
applications to occour. Using these speeds does not include any risk
 of being banned from LIVE at all, because they are supported and
may happen under normal use.

Recognizing the 360 can - and does - change drive speeds at times, I'd still like to play devil's advocate here and ask another question.

Wouldn't it still be possible for the 360 to attempt to read a disc at 12x speed - and then not be allowed by the drive's f/w (assuming you've changed it to a lower setting when flashing)?  From there, couldn't that be logged - the fact that it tried reading at 12x speed but wasn't allowed to do so at all?

Your arguments make sense but, in each situation, the drive speed always started at 12x and then went down from there if needed.  If the system isn't allowed to start at 12x speed, could that cause an issue that's possibly detectable?

Finally, what do you guys know that C4eva and Team HyperX doesn't know?  With *no* disrespect intended - they've been the ones creating the firmware and have had all the right info in the past.  If they're telling us that M$ has possibly used drive speed as one of the detection methods in past ban waves, why shouldn't we believe them?

You guys are acting like people are saying M$ will ban you solely for using a non-12x drive speed f/w.  Nobody is saying that.  However, what they are saying is that they believe drive speed was one of the many factors used in previous ban waves.  How is reducing the number of ways M$ detects people - or eliminating one of them altogether - a bad thing?

The bottom line is - do what you want to do if it makes you happy.  But until C4eva and Team HyperX says something different, I'll respectfully choose to listen to them first.

[robo989]

QUOTE(mik30 @ May 17 2009, 05:45 PM)

If you would have read what I wrote before you would have understood
that that is not true. You have as well misunderstood that part of the
readme which is indeed quite unclear.

I myself tested lower speedsettings with the 1.6 FW and can emphasize
that the FW either does not include such a check or the check does not
work.
Anyway, like I already wrote in an earlier posting: The drive is
constructed in a way that it lowers the speed by itself from
12x to 8x to 5x to 2x in 3 steps if necessary. That is a specially denoted
behaviour, which is also described in the XBOX SDK.
Therefor these speeds are expected by the 360 kernel and
applications to occour. Using these speeds does not include any risk
 of being banned from LIVE at all, because they are supported and
may happen under normal use.

Complete BS and speculation, not to mention such a simple theory that assumes they only have code to detect what speed a drive is running at any given time. A check could be built into what speed the drives attempts to spin the disc up at first.

There goes your theory. Just buy a hard drive and stop pirating games. Only people who are that stingy to COMPLAIN about this, something they've been given for free are people who pirate games...also too stingy to buy a fucking hard drive.

Quit your whining and get lost.