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[Charbless]

QUOTE(GomerPyle @ Dec 22 2007, 04:44 PM)

When you get banned your xbox cannot connect to the internet period, all you can do is play backups offline. Thats it no Silver no Gold no nothing when you are banned. Your xbox will cease to log in anymore and cease to get online period for anything, No Updates Natta!

Untrue you can still get dash updates

[wawnord]

One of My frinds has got a broken Fancontrol.

His Fans are running on 12 Volt at all Time without modding.
Whats now? MS couldn't ban him because of a broken Part in hin console.

I don't believe that MS bans Fanmodded Consoles.
The Hotlinesupporters are sooooo stupid...

3 Calls
3 different answers
3 People with more bread than brain in their heads.

80 percent of that what they say where wrong.

Supporter 1: Please Call Live Servie
ME: This is the live service
Supporter 1: Oh, yes..thats right..i see this on my screen now. Sorry I'm new in this Supportpart. I'm not trained in XBL yet.
Please make an new call and hope someone different is @ the Phone.

Holy SH***
whats wrong with this guys?

Supporter 2 was even not smarter
Supporter 2: There must something be wrong with the XBL Server.Please try to connect later this day.

Ähm.. no questions about Status or Errorcodes

Supporter 3 said that it is possible that a burned Game is theanswer.

I answered, i haven't modified something,

He said to me that  i don't have to modifie somtethink to play Backups...



*NO COMMENT"

These people are sooo stupid...don't belevie anything from them.


Sorry about my bad english.
Hope you will understand everything

QUOTE(Charbless @ Dec 22 2007, 04:26 PM)

Untrue you can still get dash updates

No thats not true.
You cannot get updates if you are banned .this is fact.

Only with download it from the MS webpage and install it by a burnded CD or DVD

This post has been edited by wawnord: Dec 22 2007, 04:31 PM

[ZakMcRofl]

One stupid M$ employee claims that a fan mod will get you banned and the entire modding scene is in panic?

How about this: if you admit to modding your fan you admit to modifying your system which is a ban reason in theory, yes.

However as long as you don't admit to it they would NEVER implement a check on the fan volate or anything like that. Its not a foolproof check at all. They might (rightfully) deny you warranty in case of a RROD but other then that, you'll be fine with a fan mod.

This post has been edited by ZakMcRofl: Dec 22 2007, 04:46 PM

[Xmodss]

QUOTE(ZakMcRofl @ Dec 22 2007, 12:35 PM)

One stupid M$ employee claims that a fan mod will get you banned and the entire modding scene is in panic?

How about this: if you admit to modding your fan you admit to modifying your system which is a ban reason in theory, yes.

However as long as you don't admit to it they would NEVER implement a check on the fan volate or anything like that. Its not a foolproof check at all. They might (rightfully) deny you warranty in case of a RROD but other then that, you'll be fine with a fan mod.

ZakMcRofl this has been presented to use by more then one source, if it was just one person i'd be right with you saying b/s. you know me i'm the first one to tell anyone that they are talking out their as*. it is however a direct violation of the term of use under section 14

14. SERVICE OPERATION AND EQUIPMENT
The Service may only be accessed with an original Xbox, an Xbox 360 console, a personal computer or by logging into your account via Xbox.com. You agree that you are using authorized software and hardware to access the Service, and that your software and hardware have not been modified in any unauthorized way (e.g., authorized repairs, upgrades and downloads) . Any attempt to disassemble, decompile, create derivative works of, reverse engineer, modify, further sublicense, distribute or use for other purposes either the hardware or software associated with an original Xbox or Xbox 360 console or the Service, is strictly prohibited and may result in cancellation of your account and/or your ability to access the Service, and the pursuit of other legal remedies by Microsoft. Microsoft may take any legal action it deems appropriate against users who violate Microsoft's systems or network security or this contract or any additional terms as described in Section 2 above, and such users may also incur criminal and/or civil liability.

Microsoft reserves complete and sole discretion with respect to the operation of the Service. Microsoft may, among other things: (a) restrict or limit access to the Service; b. retrieve information from the original Xbox, Xbox 360 console, personal computer and any connected peripheral device used to log onto the Service as necessary to operate and protect the security of the Service, and to enforce this Agreement; and © upgrade, modify, withdraw, suspend, or discontinue any functionality or feature of the Service or any game from time to time without notice, which may involve the automatic download of related software directly to your original Xbox, Xbox 360 console or personal computer, and which software may prevent you from accessing the Service, playing pirated games, or using unauthorized peripheral devices.

This post has been edited by Xmodss: Dec 22 2007, 05:28 PM

[andjelko]

I posted this earlier and got no response.

Is the Blaster 360 detectable??

also,

When I liquid cooled my 360 (got tired of fixing 3RLOD), the fans on the 360 run consistently at low speed.  Gates could be looking at my xbox 360 fan speed and determine that hey - this guys been playing Gears for 5 hours - shouldn't his box be getting really hot and the fan voltage going up?

[Chancer]

QUOTE(notrain @ Dec 22 2007, 03:04 PM)

I am not saying that I believe in that new theory, but your point does not disprove it. Fluctuating voltages from your wall outlet do not get "past" the powersupply, i.e. you could probably use that black brick anywhere from 95-125V (for US). As far as the Xbox360 Mainboard is concerned, the Voltages it receives shouldn't differ much, depending on the quality of the PSU. A High quality ATX PC Powersupply can be plugged into any wallsocket in the world, you don't even need 2 models for 110V (US) and 230V (Europe etc.), the Powersupply will supply the same voltages through the ATX Power Connector.

So, while I am not fully convinced by the merit of 12V Fanmod bannings, you are still wrong .

Actually consider this. What happens to the base drive of the chopper if the voltage varies. The mark to space ratio is varied from the control IC.  This  attempts to maintain  the correct output voltage to the primary winding of the chopper transformer but in doing so also alters the current that is drawn in the primary.
If the base drive to the chopper is reduced beyond a certain point the Secondary outputs rise.
A practical example I can give you is from  a bog standard everyday repair of a TV. Ht voltage to the collector of the line output transistor can rise from a normal 140v (common ) to 220v (blows the transistor) all caused by variations in the primary of the power supply. You never had a mother board wrecked by a fault in the primary of a PC, causing the 5v and 12v rails to go through the roof?
 The example I stated was a generalisation and I know the mains may not vary in most places to cause issues but you are wrong in believeing that mains Primary operating conditions do not affect secondary voltages and current drawn.

[Xmodss]

the blaster is not a fan mod and as far  as i know it not detectable however then fans speed can be monitored by the system and is very detectable the fan voltage varies from 5-12v hence the fans speed change when you incorperate a 12v mod the fan speed run max speed 4600 rpm constant. i agree this is a really lame way to ban but as i stated before it is a direct violation of the tou

[RBJTech]

Whilst the BIOS can report on all sorts of hidden facts - analysing the fan voltage from an external source is impossible.

The standard fan connector IS monitored - it has to be so the temp of the CPU/GPU can alter the fan speed - this ranges from 5.4v (min) to ~11.5v (max).  If you are modifying this connector directly, then perhaps reading a 12v to the fans can positively identify a mod (as this is impossible via the 'standard' setup).

That said, getting your fan power from say the primary 12v connectors or another 12v supply that is already in use (say the DVD power) then I see it as impossible for MS to identify this as a mod.  If using the Fan Header - then again the BIOS 'may' be monitoring usage here - and going from 'unconnected' to '12v' may trigger a positive modification.

I'm not trying to trigger unnecessary alarm here but just stating electrical facts - in summary : if you 'tap' off an existing supply (ie you just increase the current draw on that supply) then it's highly unlikely MS will be able to detect it - if you modify the stock fan connector, fan header then they 'may' be able to.

My 2 pence worth ...


 

[Chancer]

There is no way they are going to this sort of trouble. Too many possible variations in voltage/current that are nothing to do with modding the hardware. They could end up banning boxes that have leaking decoupling caps on certain rails.
 I think it is merely scaremongering to put the rumour about.
I have this vision in my mind of everyone panicking and removing fans and such

[RBJTech]

QUOTE(Chancer @ Dec 22 2007, 04:57 PM)

There is no way they are going to this sort of trouble. Too many possible variations in voltage/current that are nothing to do with modding the hardware. They could end up banning boxes that have leaking decoupling caps on certain rails.
 I think it is merely scaremongering to put the rumour about.
I have this vision in my mind of everyone panicking and removing fans and such

Agree 100% Chancer but was attempting to answer a few of the posts on fan headers etc

Personally,  All my 360's are cooling modified and I don't propose to unmodify any of them...

[Chancer]

I think it would be more beneficial if the people with the unbanned boxes gave more details . Exact codes. Box type, drive type purchased from and purchase date. length banned etc. their must be some pattern to that but who knows.
I do agree with you that the fans are not going to cost a ban to anyone.
I also think No way would customer service reps be given info on what MS categorise in order to decide on a ban.

[ShaX5]

WILL SOMEBODY TELL ME IF THE "Nyko Intercooler EX" is something MS will ban you for!!!???

-ShaX

[Chancer]

QUOTE(ShaX5 @ Dec 22 2007, 05:28 PM)

WILL SOMEBODY TELL ME IF THE "Nyko Intercooler EX" is something MS will ban you for!!!???

-ShaX

Ring MS. Everything here is here say and speculation.
It wouldn't worry me and I would say no way will you be banned for it but the only ones who know the truth are MS

[GamerBR]

QUOTE(superost @ Dec 22 2007, 05:23 AM)

IMO there is a major difference between using a firmware hack and modding your fan speed/voltage.. Custom firmwares are a baaad business for MS, since people often use pirated games, even if custom firmwares are "meant" to be used for backups.. and we know that game sales are pretty important in this business.. I think that is pretty clear and that's why I actually understand MS, when they ban people from live who use custom firmwares. (Of course it's NOT fair, when people get banned even though their drive is clean from any modifications)
BUT how can a fan mod hurt MS in any way?.. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif) wrong strategy MS.. once again

Banning the users that made the 12v fan will eventually lead to a higher chance of the user getting a dead 360,so they will eventually buy a new 360(because they voided their warranty),that would eventually make them sell more consoles.That's the way they plan to win the nexgen war (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

[bwolf417]

called ms they said it would cost me 99 dollars for them to fix my live ban. lol they also said if the xbox has been opened and modded they will keep the xbox but refund the 99 dollars. looks like i got to buy a new 1