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[psykicker]

Dunno if this is going to mess things up more, but my nephew had a 360 with I think 1.2 firmware and got banned the second wave.
He then took the 360 from his smaller brother who doesn't go on live and has never been modded and got banned with this 3rd wave. The only thing he did was use the harddrive from the banned console and he only played COD 4 on it.
I was really pissed and got in contact with MS here in The Netherlands and they couldn't do anything about it. I just honestly told them what happened and they said that once banned they never unban a console.
I told them I was going to take this to court which I really will do. What kind of bullshit is that, I suggested to send it back so they could check for themselves and this was an Xbox that was returned from repairs a month ago.
Imo they are stealing from us and are getting away with it, here in Holland they lost the case about the ring of death and we now have a 3 year extended warranty on the ring of death and this is also going to court.
My nephew can't buy another 360 because he is afraid that he will be banned again, because these shitheads just randomly ban people and steal the service that you pay for and get stuck with a worthless piece of hardware.
Will let you know progress on this matter!

Cheers

[biglen]

QUOTE(nettwerk @ Dec 16 2007, 04:13 PM)

u need to be connected to live to play divx movies.

are you smoking crack?you don't need to be connected to live to play divx movies.i was banned 2 days ago and i am playing divx just fine offline.

[riddick32]

i just got hit.  I changed the firmware i think back in march(whenever crackdown came out).  I just actually went back on friday and replayed the game, haha, DAMN YOU CRACKDOWN!  5.2b i think is the firmware i used.



I was just wondering, does anyone know what would happen if your 360 got the 3lights after it got banned?  the people fixing it wouldnt be checking the firmware, right?  just that it has the 3lights, so you would still get a replacement console?  i was just thinking about this earlier.

This post has been edited by riddick32: Dec 17 2007, 03:31 AM

[Taken83oveR]

Im not sure what you guys are doing to get divx movies to work offline, but mine will not stream unless I am signed into live. I get that error that says "A media update it required". I sign in, the movies play fine. I sign out, I am back to that same error.

[TIME2PLAYDAGAME]

QUOTE(Taken83oveR @ Dec 16 2007, 10:14 PM)

Im not sure what you guys are doing to get divx movies to work offline, but mine will not stream unless I am signed into live. I get that error that says "A media update it required". I sign in, the movies play fine. I sign out, I am back to that same error.

Sign in with another gamertag or make up another one. When you go to play the file you will get the update & it will install. It's b/c you already have the ipod or whatever codec previously installed. Anyways, after you get the update, you can delete the gt you created & all will be good to go.

[mik30]

QUOTE(pricemeista33 @ Dec 15 2007, 06:40 PM)

Hey EVERYONE, I got some super news on all banning procedures.  What is happening to us is this here: Microsucks is auto polling EVERY XBOX 360 that connects to live.  Their software is reporting drive speed, possible firmware tampers, and improper backups.  If I had iXtm 1.2 @ 12x, now I'm running iXtm 1.4 @ 8x.  The previous information logged to Microsucks is now compared therfore resulting in an automatic banning.  So those of us whom came from stock to the new 1.4 iXtm set @ 12x will most likely be good to go.  Now should they change to other Firmwares in the future.  This is where that BANHAMMER comes into play.  

Think of it like this:  You were speeding and clocked @ 55 mph by the cops at some point.  You were fine for this is the speed limit.  Now you were clocked again @ 75, 80, etc. and now you're pulled over which signifies you being banned.  See the higher speed represents the upgraded firmware as to the 55 mph speed represents the firmware Microsucks is looking for.  So I believe when you upgrade the F/W you must take extra precaution because as soon as you plug into the ethernet port.  You are saying check my speed and everything else that you need to.

This is bullshit... I wonder where all those morons get these
false informations from. Maybe they should stop eating psychedelic
mushrooms.

In fact all xbox drives have some kind of error recovery procedure.
That procedure works by reducing the media rotation from maximum
to a lower level in 2 steps. On the 360 Drives the maximum velocity
is 12x. The 1st step down is to 8x. If the drive does not recover from
errors the procedure advances to the 2nd step which actually means
that it decreases the velocity again. This time to 5x. So speeds slower
than 12x are absolutely in proper range as long as they are 8x or 5x.
MS does not bann anybody for having these specific speeds.

[Taken83oveR]

QUOTE(TIME2PLAYDAGAME @ Dec 16 2007, 10:51 PM)

Sign in with another gamertag or make up another one. When you go to play the file you will get the update & it will install. It's b/c you already have the ipod or whatever codec previously installed. Anyways, after you get the update, you can delete the gt you created & all will be good to go.

I read your post, and I went to System>Memory>System Items, and deleted the Optional Media Update that was there. I went and tried to play a divx file and was prompted for the update. I downloaded and then signed out. Then I tried o play the same file, signed out of live and it worked. Thanks for cluing me in, no need to create a new gamertag.

[Devedander]

Boy talk about my bad luck.... I bought my second 360 last week, flashed it last night, figured I would play some retail COD4 on it while attached to live because that should still be safe right?

Bam... today apparently you can be banned playing even originals... woohoo... looks like my backup 360 is going to be limited a lot faster than I thought...

I wonder, when the front page says they have trusted people who played only retail discs on their 360s and got banned... who has a modded 360 and only plays retail discs?  I guess they could have done it for the speed only but it seems like they must have some people just playing on modded systems as some kind of canary in a coal mine sort of thing...

[thepiecesfit]

you're saying  a brand new 360 thats never been played , flashed, and played a retail??  NO backups , is banned???   Did you use a new hard drive or old hard drive?

QUOTE(Devedander @ Dec 17 2007, 12:20 AM)

Boy talk about my bad luck.... I bought my second 360 last week, flashed it last night, figured I would play some retail COD4 on it while attached to live because that should still be safe right?

Bam... today apparently you can be banned playing even originals... woohoo... looks like my backup 360 is going to be limited a lot faster than I thought...

I wonder, when the front page says they have trusted people who played only retail discs on their 360s and got banned... who has a modded 360 and only plays retail discs?  I guess they could have done it for the speed only but it seems like they must have some people just playing on modded systems as some kind of canary in a coal mine sort of thing...

[JUANVAN]

If that is the case, and I would like to hear his response. then M$ is infact reading the FW and has nothing to do with the disks.
Then they are doing it in waves, b/c I know of 2 systems still on live with modded drives.

This post has been edited by JUANVAN: Dec 17 2007, 08:22 AM

[Devedander]

QUOTE(thepiecesfit @ Dec 17 2007, 06:31 AM)

you're saying  a brand new 360 thats never been played , flashed, and played a retail??  NO backups , is banned???   Did you use a new hard drive or old hard drive?

Sorry for being unclear... no I have not been banned (or else I would be posting int he other thread) but according to the front page they have indeed banned systems that played nothing but retails and from the language sounds like doesn't matter if it was 1.4 or what...

I was just saying that the day after I mod mine and go online with a retail thinking no possible harm I find out there is indeed possible harm and so I figure my ability to go online with my modded box will be short lived...

I have to wonder if things that were thought impossible maybe aren't anymore... such as the marking while offline thing.  I know the hard drives were checked and nothing changed but the one thing I can't imagine is totally safe is the game saves... I mean they have to change when you do anything at all (achievement, pass a level etc) maybe they have a way of sticking some kind of flag in the save game that is read next time on live or something... just wondering as at this point it seems no one is at all sure what is really going on.

This post has been edited by Devedander: Dec 17 2007, 08:44 AM

[19Ripper75]

QUOTE(Devedander @ Dec 16 2007, 10:20 PM)

... who has a modded 360 and only plays retail discs?

 

I do, and no problems yet. YET, lol. I'm sure I'll get hit eventually, but since I'm buying another 360 soon anyway (elite), I could care less. I only play my backups offline anyway.

[Devedander]

QUOTE(19Ripper75 @ Dec 17 2007, 08:45 AM)

I do, and no problems yet. YET, lol. I'm sure I'll get hit eventually, but since I'm buying another 360 soon anyway (elite), I could care less. I only play my backups offline anyway.

Interesting... may I ask why you bothered modding then?  

Have you kept up on the firmwares?  It would seem that pre 1.4 firmwares could report badly even on retail discs... heck even 1.4 could have some other hole that reports improperly on retail discs....

I am keeping my fingers crossed on mine that has 1.4 now....

[Muzzakus]

I'd really be curious on some kind of poll to measure the game attach rate of people that have modded consoles.

Hear me out -  I belive modded consoles are primarily the domain of dedicated gamers.  And these gamers do actually buy software and do not just exclusively back up.  It's all related to fueling their gaming passions.

I have a modded console and while I "back-up" some games I may not be entitled to, I still purchase a reasonable amount of games, usually when on sale or as a special collectors edition.

My personall attach rate is well over the measured 6 games per console as it stands for the 360.  Furthermore I'm also very vocal on spreading the good word on the 360 to people I know.  Generally my passion for gaming fuels further sales for M$.

I wonder if M$ is severing their nose to spite their face and doing themselves a disservice by pissing off this segment of the user base.  

Certainly if banned the incentive to purchase games will wane without the ability to play online or to extend their life via add-ons from marketplace.  Not to meantion the disgruntled bitterness of ever shelling out another $.

This post has been edited by Muzzakus: Dec 17 2007, 08:58 AM

[Zod5000]

I bought a new console on thursday, benq drive, put iextreme 1.4 on it.  Played some backups  offline (ie network cable unplugged.).

i also went onto live yesterday and stuck in kotor xbox original to get yavin station on the new box, and to get thebackwards update installed.  Played my halo original for a bit too.

not banned yet.. currently downloading the burnout paradise demo.

I'm making sure the dvd drive is empty everytime i plug in the network cable.  I don't think i'll even play originals online until someone figures out what happened.

Is it possible they're banning in waves, and these are delayed bans from backups played before iextreme 1.4 was released?