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[staple123]

I agree GRIM does excellent work and is super fast...

but has anyone contacted him to ask him if these externally dumped 79FL's will now re-flash proeprly with latest ixtereme v1.4 using the new FWtoolbox v4.6?

we don't want to screw up this technique or otherwise that chip will need to be physically removed and re-flashed again..and thos trace points on that 32 pin chip are very delicate and they can't take too many removals and reinstallations...and no TSOP adpater (i.e ZIFF socket style) was installed.

that would have been an excellent idea, but those 32 pin ZIFF-TSOP sockets are extremely expensive and costr almost as much as a 79Passkey.

so do we have confirmation from GRIM that Fwtoolbox v4.6 can updated our 79FL's he exteranally dumped/re-soldered to ixterem v1.4 safely?

and also why not just patch an MS28 OEM drive with our 79FL key (address 4E10)..but does FWToolBox v4.6 patch function provide the proper spoofing string?

[ydgmms]

offtopic: can Grim unbrick some hitachis? a friend has about 2 or 3 that he bricked because he didn't do the restore prior to flashing. And I have one Samsung that was bricked.

You know, remove the TSOP, flash the original firmware (we have backups). etc...

[staple123]

you CAN not restore first a 79FL drive if your planning to update it to ixterem v1.4..if you do, it will re-enable that locked bit and you will NOT be able to re-flash it again using any flash tools...that is ONLY for the 78 Hitachi drives or older that do NOT have that locked security bit.

and yes, he can unbrick any Hitachi or Samsung drive...but you have to contact him for pricing..I believe its $40 +$10 shipping 2-3 day US mail Prioity...that's what he charges to physically remove that 32 pin TSOP chip in the 79FL's, and he re-programs it externally with a Willem and then he re-solders it back on to the drive mother board...basically spoofing or  turning it into an older 78 drive.

[staple123]

I should clarify this point,

GRIM does NOT re-program your 78 or 79 drives with ixtreme, he merelly unbricks it and restores the original 78/79 firmware and he dumps their drive keys, but that is it...you will have to find your own way to flash it with ixtreme hacked firmware....and he does NOT do that...

but if yuo have your 78/79 drive key then you can always spoof an Samsung OEM MS28 which cost for about $60-75

[Perplexer]

QUOTE(staple123 @ Dec 12 2007, 07:19 PM)

but has anyone contacted him to ask him if these externally dumped 79FL's will now re-flash proeprly with latest ixtereme v1.4 using the new FWtoolbox v4.6?

Sorry, no luck in dumping a 0079 with iXtreme1.2 without using a passkey.

I have a 79FL which I removed TSOP, read and programmed with iXtreme1.2 in a Willem, and reinstalled.

Then I put the drive in ModeB (tried two ways, with Slax and the tray eject method.)  Both methods showed a drive letter in Windows.  VIA6421 card.  "Cannot read from drive" with RAW and classic dump.

QUOTE(staple123 @ Dec 12 2007, 07:19 PM)

and also why not just patch an MS28 OEM drive with our 79FL key (address 4E10)..but does FWToolBox v4.6 patch function provide the proper spoofing string?

Spoofing does work properly in Toolbox; I have inserted a 79fl key and version spoofing in a ms28 with iXtreme1.3, works fine.

[staple123]

good work Perplexer,

your setup is exactly identical to mine...and your findings excatly identical to mine

VT-6421, 79FL drive externally dumped and reflashed with ixtreme v1.2 using a Willem etc..etc...no 79Passkey was ever used in my tests.

I get the same errors that your reporting...it goes into ModeB fine and show up in Windows as drive letter: F,
but it wont READ let alone flash it..

the problem is that FWToolBox v4.6 is NOT fully conmpatible with these VIA6421 cards when used on an Hitachi--especially thess newer 78/79 drives..it all started when rev 59 Hitachis started to be sold...the old 47 Hitachis work much better with the 6421 cards...and others have had better sucess using SIL chip set based SATA cards...despite the warnings form Maximus that SIL chip sets cause corruption of the RAW dump...but regardless of that, SIL chip set based SATA cards do work form comments I have read..

do you think Maximus has a check routine in FWToolBox v4.6 that is specially looking for the 79Paskey to activate ModeB on the drive and rather then the software encocded modeB tweak that ixtreme v1.2 has included in the firmware (i.e the open tray @ startup technique)?

is the FWtoolbox v4.6 software competing with ixtereme v1.2 to activate modeB on the 79 drive...because it assumes that the 79passkey was never removed and should still be there....so it checks for it at launch and wants the tray left closed as opposed to OPEN at startup?

[Maverick-DBZ-]

QUOTE(Perplexer @ Dec 15 2007, 11:44 AM)

Spoofing does work properly in Toolbox; I have inserted a 79fl key and version spoofing in a ms28 with iXtreme1.3, works fine.

Thats good to know. With the drive now spoofed as a MS28 can it be updated to a newer hacked firmware using the Samsung flash methods? I'm guessing not since its still a 79 drive, but I'm just curious.

[staple123]

you have it backwards...

the spoofing is to allow us to take the drive key we dumped phsyciclly and externally from a de-soldered Hitachi 79FL chip and patch this drive key dierctly into a modified Samsung ixtereme v1.4  MS28 firmware...then we flash a real OEM MS28 drive using DOS tools such as Mktflash...such a modified MS28 with a 79FL drive key will then work in the original 360 that previoulsy was using a real 79FL drive..

this is eactly why many 79FL owners went out months ago and bought spare OEM MS28 drives...we knew long ago that FWToolBox did NOT flash properly these 78/79 drives...and someday we would need a spare OEM MS28 if we wanted to test the newer ixetreme firmwares such a v1.4.  This is how one must think forward in this hacking game...

also I don't like to see C4eva come out with different drive speeds in his newer v1,4 Hitachi firmware...

that was a major strategic error and he should NOT have done that...it will force MS to play much closer attention now to speed srcutinzation of certain insisignificant bytes that do NOT normally trigger the throttle down functions of the stoick firmware.  I warned him before about this and he wisely dis-continued it whren he stopped supporting the older EXTREME firmwares v5.0-5.3

It was an extremely bad stretgic decision to return to non-offical drive speeds...it may not be detectable today, but it can be tomorrow....and it starts at the facotory when they press new games with insiginificant tracking bytes  (i.e markers) that must ONLY be read natively at stock 12x drive speeds...and that throttle down theory will NOT protect us in that type of future scenario...it is not only possible but exactlky what they are probbalythinking today aftre they saw his return to non-stock drive speed firmwares....(i.e 5x and 8x speeds)

I suggest keeping your dirve speeds uniform at 12 x especially when switching to newer ixtreme v1.4 firmwares...yeah its noisy at 12x speed but its also may prove down the road less detectable if they implement a new kernel to screen for certain values/bytes in the iso that must read natively at stock 12 speed...

eitherwayif you believe that "throttle down" theory  will protect you against speed scrutination, keep it mind it has never been proven.... and in this dynamic kernel driven environment with the proven ability now to re-press the games differently at the factory (i.e Halo 3 and Star Trek Legacy), means you can't rule anything out.....




This post has been edited by staple123: Dec 16 2007, 01:00 AM

[Maverick-DBZ-]

QUOTE(staple123 @ Dec 15 2007, 05:30 PM)

you have it backwards...

the spoofing is to allow us to take the drive key we dumped phsyciclly and externally from a de-soldered Hitachi 79FL chip and patch this drive key dierctly into a modified Samsung ixtereme v1.4  MS28 firmware...then we flash a real OEM MS28 drive using DOS tools such as Mktflash...such a modified MS28 with a 79FL drive key will then work in the original 360 that previoulsy was using a real 79FL drive..

Got it, thanks for the clarification.  (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

I have a xbox 360 with a 79FK drive and as far as I know is the same as the 79FL. I'm in the process of getting the drive key from the 79FK so I can "inject" it into a modified iXtreme 1.4 MS-28 firmware. So from what I understand I simply flash the iXtreme 1.4 MS-28 firmware to the MS-28 drive with the 79FK drive key and I'm all good to go.

It's a much better method when I think about it. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[albons]

Hi,
there is something I don't understand here : how can the firmware/eeprom be supposedely unreadable when mounted on the DVD and suddenly become fully accessible when unsoldered and placed into a programmator?

Can we imagine that Maximus locked its access on purpose, by checking the presence of the passkey at start? To sell the passkey79s.

[staple123]

its a voltage and timing thing...the external software devices like the Willem Programmer have a robust ability to unlock all security sectors found inside most of these 32 pin TSOP--DVD chips...its routines are built in specifically to conform to exact make and model of the TSOP chips/die...these chips have to be dumpable somehow at the factory to verify their integrity...and these Willems are powerful programmers that are robust enough to blast thru the protection schemes that these chips employ...that's a dumb downd explanation,

but that's why these Willems are so popular..powerful, cheap ($50) and suppoirt literally thousands of different types of IC or chips and has built protocals for trapping and dumping them properly...

and reading such a 79FL chip that has security sectors/registers locked, means you can't easily trap or dump them "in-circuit" (i.e unsoldered and in windows) with limited DOS flash tools like MKtFlash and FWToolbox

The Willem is memely a cheap chinese made version of an industrial eeprom/chip programmer with very accurate and updated IC protocals for unlocking and reading thousand of different IC's..

the only problem is they tend to cause subtle corruption of the RAW dumps sometimes when they externally read these 79FL chips...but fortunately we have FWToolBox programthan  can fix these minor checksum errors and at the very least it always gets the proper drive key values for these 79FL's.

also its NOT a smart idea to use spoofed firmware (i.e 79FL key flashed to an MS28)..

get someone to flash that 79FL with a Willem with ixterem v1.4 at native 12x speed (I don't suggest using non-stock speeds  such as 5 or 8x)...keep your XBOX360 closer to native sppeds and use that 79FL chip with ixtereme v1.4 at 12x speed.

[pedro_gaucho]

this thread was so nice, why people have stopped answering it? what about the 79FK software unlocking?

[caster420]

QUOTE(pedro_gaucho @ Mar 13 2008, 03:16 PM)

this thread was so nice, why people have stopped answering it? what about the 79FK software unlocking?

 

Because there havent been any posts in three months?

 

79 software unlocking isnt (yet) possible and it doesnt seem as though anyone is working on making it possible.

 

Caster.

[beratfb]

QUOTE(caster420 @ Mar 14 2008, 05:37 AM)

Because there havent been any posts in three months?

 

79 software unlocking isnt (yet) possible and it doesnt seem as though anyone is working on making it possible.

 

Caster.

Can I get hitachi 79fl pass key I wouldlike to exchange with other dvdrom. Is any one can help me how can I get hitachi 79fl pass key with out chip.

Thanks

[s_s_warrior]

well it is now possable to unlock and flash the 79fl. this is what i have done. but i must have accidentally triggered the lock cause no program will read it. fwtoolbox can open and close drive but wont read. I was hoping that I could dump some games. it seems that the podger 79 unlock method wont work again. if im stuck with this will it play backed up games? i do still have the ixtreme 1.4 fw in there and the box still works.
let me know please.